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		<title>By: Mr. X</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/11/10/frame-2/#comment-80344</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Why couldn’t that work the other way around, with Putin the patsy? well, it could, except that it doesn’t.&quot;

Then why did Soros admit to partially funding the Orange Revolution? Did he get orders from Vladimir Vladimirovich to do that? Your argument against presuming based on the evidence that Soros is a tool of at least some parts of the USG (or at least is a transnationalist who would prefer to see a weaker U.S. AND Russia) makes no sense. Foggy Bottom seems to be a more likely suspect, or more like the iron triangle between State, Defense and the NGO &#039;revolutions in a box&#039; complex. Personally, I think if those folks hadn&#039;t been so blatant in the ex-Soviet republics they might have had better success with the Green revolution in Iran.

&quot;but you haven’t been arguing at all –with or without idiots.&quot;

Yeah, refuting your point that the 5th Guards Shock Army or whatever still exists as it did when it stood on the Fulda Gap in the 1980s and that Russia invaded Georgia with hundreds of thousands of soldiers isn&#039;t an argument. Riiiiiiiiight. I guess that&#039;s what your fan club loved. Yeah Buddy, tell that punk kid! Quote him chapter and verse from &lt;i&gt;Red Storm Rising&lt;/i&gt;...hoorah!

I for one admire Marie Claude for rebutting the lazy Francophobia that lurks on PJM. The fact that somebody decided to say that 90% of what Anglo-American &quot;conservatives&quot; write about Russia is utter horses$#&amp; seems to annoy you guys. But yes, it is possible to be a conservative and admire some aspects of Russia and its people rather than needing my daily dose of the Russians are coming two minutes hate and/or BS Kremlinology. 

The fact that the ultra-Orthodox nationalist Stanislav Mishin is being advanced nowadays as the voice of Russian propaganda at America (did you catch him on Glenn Beck?) and Igor Panarin is getting paid to speak to Tea Partyers in Houston ought to tell you something. Russia is not the voice of international Communism anymore, so give it a rest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why couldn’t that work the other way around, with Putin the patsy? well, it could, except that it doesn’t.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then why did Soros admit to partially funding the Orange Revolution? Did he get orders from Vladimir Vladimirovich to do that? Your argument against presuming based on the evidence that Soros is a tool of at least some parts of the USG (or at least is a transnationalist who would prefer to see a weaker U.S. AND Russia) makes no sense. Foggy Bottom seems to be a more likely suspect, or more like the iron triangle between State, Defense and the NGO &#8216;revolutions in a box&#8217; complex. Personally, I think if those folks hadn&#8217;t been so blatant in the ex-Soviet republics they might have had better success with the Green revolution in Iran.</p>
<p>&#8220;but you haven’t been arguing at all –with or without idiots.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, refuting your point that the 5th Guards Shock Army or whatever still exists as it did when it stood on the Fulda Gap in the 1980s and that Russia invaded Georgia with hundreds of thousands of soldiers isn&#8217;t an argument. Riiiiiiiiight. I guess that&#8217;s what your fan club loved. Yeah Buddy, tell that punk kid! Quote him chapter and verse from <i>Red Storm Rising</i>&#8230;hoorah!</p>
<p>I for one admire Marie Claude for rebutting the lazy Francophobia that lurks on PJM. The fact that somebody decided to say that 90% of what Anglo-American &#8220;conservatives&#8221; write about Russia is utter horses$#&amp; seems to annoy you guys. But yes, it is possible to be a conservative and admire some aspects of Russia and its people rather than needing my daily dose of the Russians are coming two minutes hate and/or BS Kremlinology. </p>
<p>The fact that the ultra-Orthodox nationalist Stanislav Mishin is being advanced nowadays as the voice of Russian propaganda at America (did you catch him on Glenn Beck?) and Igor Panarin is getting paid to speak to Tea Partyers in Houston ought to tell you something. Russia is not the voice of international Communism anymore, so give it a rest.</p>
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		<title>By: Gaffe Prices</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/11/10/frame-2/#comment-80336</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaffe Prices</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a question. Or bunch of questions.

What is the model for how policy for various government agencies are determined from outside of that organization? And my question gets to all parasitic, and in fact reverse parasitic forces. Parasites usually take from the host organism, but for example, if a military officer made the decision to &#039;go diversity&#039; as the über-policy of the military, on whose command decision was that based, or from what outside influence or pressure did that occur?

One would&#039;ve hoped that the military could preserve its merit rise system, but it is apparent that that has been infiltrated by whatever  means. How do we start from scratch again, and remove all the barnacles?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a question. Or bunch of questions.</p>
<p>What is the model for how policy for various government agencies are determined from outside of that organization? And my question gets to all parasitic, and in fact reverse parasitic forces. Parasites usually take from the host organism, but for example, if a military officer made the decision to &#8216;go diversity&#8217; as the über-policy of the military, on whose command decision was that based, or from what outside influence or pressure did that occur?</p>
<p>One would&#8217;ve hoped that the military could preserve its merit rise system, but it is apparent that that has been infiltrated by whatever  means. How do we start from scratch again, and remove all the barnacles?</p>
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		<title>By: Marie claude</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/11/10/frame-2/#comment-80276</link>
		<dc:creator>Marie claude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Those Yorkshire terriers keep trying to beat up my Belgian Sheepdog.
Guess I’ll have to check the beast for Russian sympathies.&quot;

uh, try a Leonberg, they are mediators :lol:

otherwise, my little Boston-Terrier, &quot;Rock-Star&quot; (a female), can handle any sheepdogs into respect ! 

uh, Mr X, 
&lt;i&gt;Yet the EU wants to lend him $12 BILLION and in the past two years suddenly he’s yet another victim of Russian “energy imperialism” in the Russophobe press&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah, I don&#039;t want that my taxes are for subventionning any former soviet counties, that would still not acknoledge that they are living on the european continent, and would spit on the earlier EU countries, becuz they are monotored for the american dream, which actually is the american nightmare since a few decades !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Those Yorkshire terriers keep trying to beat up my Belgian Sheepdog.<br />
Guess I’ll have to check the beast for Russian sympathies.&#8221;</p>
<p>uh, try a Leonberg, they are mediators <img src='http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>otherwise, my little Boston-Terrier, &#8220;Rock-Star&#8221; (a female), can handle any sheepdogs into respect ! </p>
<p>uh, Mr X,<br />
<i>Yet the EU wants to lend him $12 BILLION and in the past two years suddenly he’s yet another victim of Russian “energy imperialism” in the Russophobe press</i></p>
<p>Yeah, I don&#8217;t want that my taxes are for subventionning any former soviet counties, that would still not acknoledge that they are living on the european continent, and would spit on the earlier EU countries, becuz they are monotored for the american dream, which actually is the american nightmare since a few decades !</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. X</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/11/10/frame-2/#comment-80249</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad to get at least some response rather than the dumb wall of denial about Soros activities abroad that most conservative sheeple in Washington maintain, such a silence that it provokes suspicion, as if the WSJ, Economist and NRO all know better than to touch him even if they criticize his domestic funding of the Left. If people do start criticizing Soros&#039; USG associated or encouraged activities outside of the offices of the American Conservative, they might get a phone call from either Foggy Bottom or somewhere in VA.

Such spectacular bets as his bringing down the Pound (which lots of UK euroskeptics thinks was designed to force Britain into the EMU precursor to the Euro) are not possible without insider information from governments. It&#039;s the same reason Government Sachs came out smelling like a rose when the rest of the Street tanked. Matt Tabi made this point in Rolling Stone (how RS became the voice of the muckrackers against Big Finance raping and pillaging the rest of the economy is itself an interesting question), had the short selling naked bets gone the other way it would have been the worst short sell losses in human history. Instead magically the bets against Bear Stearns were made to pay off.

All I&#039;m suggesting is that perhaps such insider tips to Soros are payment for services he has rendered in Eastern Europe to Uncle Sam and the City of London. Hell, Ukraine is rapidly becoming one of the highest debt to GDP ratios in the world and is paying their gas bills with IOUs. What that means is that they&#039;ll have to sell off all their steel mills or what&#039;s left of them that required cheap Russian gas to stay profitable just to keep the lights on and the frost out this winter. Ditto for Belarus, how has Lukashenko suddenly become more democratic? Yet the EU wants to lend him $12 BILLION and in the past two years suddenly he&#039;s yet another victim of Russian &quot;energy imperialism&quot; in the Russophobe press. My point is, don&#039;t be so easily manipulated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad to get at least some response rather than the dumb wall of denial about Soros activities abroad that most conservative sheeple in Washington maintain, such a silence that it provokes suspicion, as if the WSJ, Economist and NRO all know better than to touch him even if they criticize his domestic funding of the Left. If people do start criticizing Soros&#8217; USG associated or encouraged activities outside of the offices of the American Conservative, they might get a phone call from either Foggy Bottom or somewhere in VA.</p>
<p>Such spectacular bets as his bringing down the Pound (which lots of UK euroskeptics thinks was designed to force Britain into the EMU precursor to the Euro) are not possible without insider information from governments. It&#8217;s the same reason Government Sachs came out smelling like a rose when the rest of the Street tanked. Matt Tabi made this point in Rolling Stone (how RS became the voice of the muckrackers against Big Finance raping and pillaging the rest of the economy is itself an interesting question), had the short selling naked bets gone the other way it would have been the worst short sell losses in human history. Instead magically the bets against Bear Stearns were made to pay off.</p>
<p>All I&#8217;m suggesting is that perhaps such insider tips to Soros are payment for services he has rendered in Eastern Europe to Uncle Sam and the City of London. Hell, Ukraine is rapidly becoming one of the highest debt to GDP ratios in the world and is paying their gas bills with IOUs. What that means is that they&#8217;ll have to sell off all their steel mills or what&#8217;s left of them that required cheap Russian gas to stay profitable just to keep the lights on and the frost out this winter. Ditto for Belarus, how has Lukashenko suddenly become more democratic? Yet the EU wants to lend him $12 BILLION and in the past two years suddenly he&#8217;s yet another victim of Russian &#8220;energy imperialism&#8221; in the Russophobe press. My point is, don&#8217;t be so easily manipulated.</p>
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		<title>By: Lifeofthemind</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/11/10/frame-2/#comment-80235</link>
		<dc:creator>Lifeofthemind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 07:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;buddy larsen&lt;/b&gt;,
Those Yorkshire terriers keep trying to beat up my Belgian Sheepdog.
Guess I&#039;ll have to check the beast for Russian sympathies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>buddy larsen</b>,<br />
Those Yorkshire terriers keep trying to beat up my Belgian Sheepdog.<br />
Guess I&#8217;ll have to check the beast for Russian sympathies.</p>
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		<title>By: buddy larsen</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/11/10/frame-2/#comment-80230</link>
		<dc:creator>buddy larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 05:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mm, ya doll ya! but i think he got angry on the adjoining thread. or maybe he wasn&#039;t angry but i really AM an idiot. i just find it hard to take seriously any David and Goliath story where an unprovoked but just adventerous David charges into the Philadelphians&#039; home country and throws himself on Goliath&#039;s sword just for the helluvit.

hell, why does Boxing have weight divisions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mm, ya doll ya! but i think he got angry on the adjoining thread. or maybe he wasn&#8217;t angry but i really AM an idiot. i just find it hard to take seriously any David and Goliath story where an unprovoked but just adventerous David charges into the Philadelphians&#8217; home country and throws himself on Goliath&#8217;s sword just for the helluvit.</p>
<p>hell, why does Boxing have weight divisions?</p>
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		<title>By: marymcl</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/11/10/frame-2/#comment-80222</link>
		<dc:creator>marymcl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 04:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope Mr X sticks around because buddy&#039;s responses are priceless ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope Mr X sticks around because buddy&#8217;s responses are priceless <img src='http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: buddy larsen</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/11/10/frame-2/#comment-80215</link>
		<dc:creator>buddy larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 04:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GL/107; &lt;i&gt;it’s a small incestuous community&lt;/i&gt; --exactly the problem with everything that&#039;s wrong in the financial world. &quot;Too Big to Fail&quot; is the antithesis of the system we&#039;re still thinking we&#039;ve got.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GL/107; <i>it’s a small incestuous community</i> &#8211;exactly the problem with everything that&#8217;s wrong in the financial world. &#8220;Too Big to Fail&#8221; is the antithesis of the system we&#8217;re still thinking we&#8217;ve got.</p>
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		<title>By: Geeze Louise</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/11/10/frame-2/#comment-80164</link>
		<dc:creator>Geeze Louise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, one way or another, it&#039;s a small incestuous community:

From http://riskinstitute.ch/146490.htm:


&lt;i&gt;According to Lewis&#039;s article LTCM&#039;s portfolio had its second biggest loss that day, of $500 million. Half of that, says Lewis, was lost on a short position in five-year equity options. Lewis records brokers&#039; opinion that AIG had intervened in thin markets to drive up the option price to profit from LTCM&#039;s weakness. At that time, as was learned later, AIG was part of a consortium negotiating to buy LTCM&#039;s portfolio. By this time LTCM&#039;s capital base had dwindled to a mere $600 million. That evening, UBS, with its particular exposure on a $800 million credit, with $266 million invested as a hedge, sent a team to Greenwich to study the portfolio.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, one way or another, it&#8217;s a small incestuous community:</p>
<p>From <a href="http://riskinstitute.ch/146490.htm" rel="nofollow">http://riskinstitute.ch/146490.htm</a>:</p>
<p><i>According to Lewis&#8217;s article LTCM&#8217;s portfolio had its second biggest loss that day, of $500 million. Half of that, says Lewis, was lost on a short position in five-year equity options. Lewis records brokers&#8217; opinion that AIG had intervened in thin markets to drive up the option price to profit from LTCM&#8217;s weakness. At that time, as was learned later, AIG was part of a consortium negotiating to buy LTCM&#8217;s portfolio. By this time LTCM&#8217;s capital base had dwindled to a mere $600 million. That evening, UBS, with its particular exposure on a $800 million credit, with $266 million invested as a hedge, sent a team to Greenwich to study the portfolio.</i></p>
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		<title>By: buddy larsen</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/11/10/frame-2/#comment-80155</link>
		<dc:creator>buddy larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GL/105; AIG has long made a market in counterparty default insurance --in different, less risky forms than the CDS trash we got today --so i&#039;m sure AIG was caught at risk when a large nation defaulted on sovereign debt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GL/105; AIG has long made a market in counterparty default insurance &#8211;in different, less risky forms than the CDS trash we got today &#8211;so i&#8217;m sure AIG was caught at risk when a large nation defaulted on sovereign debt.</p>
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