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		<title>By: JFSanders031</title>
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		<dc:creator>JFSanders031</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 12:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Whiskey&lt;/b&gt;, &lt;i&gt;&quot;Well, the greens wanted a smaller population globally. They will get it, though not the way they thought.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I believe the people that drive and control the dysfunctional cats that are the &quot;Left/Greens&quot; actually work for this solution. Although I suspect they pray daily for a comet strike or some other mass extinction event. 

I see the effects of the mental gymnastics of these types all around the world. But for the life of me I can&#039;t figure out HOW they get to that place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Whiskey</b>, <i>&#8220;Well, the greens wanted a smaller population globally. They will get it, though not the way they thought.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I believe the people that drive and control the dysfunctional cats that are the &#8220;Left/Greens&#8221; actually work for this solution. Although I suspect they pray daily for a comet strike or some other mass extinction event. </p>
<p>I see the effects of the mental gymnastics of these types all around the world. But for the life of me I can&#8217;t figure out HOW they get to that place.</p>
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		<title>By: 49erDweet</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/11/05/offensive-defense/#comment-79321</link>
		<dc:creator>49erDweet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 00:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unlike a few other commenters, I concur with &lt;b&gt;Pork Rinds for Allah&lt;/b&gt;&#039;s solution.  The alternate lesser suggestions seem too subtle for the ME mindset, in my view.

Per &lt;b&gt;26. John Lynch:&lt;/b&gt;, isn&#039;t that called the &quot;law of unintended consequences&quot;?

Good post and thread, &lt;b&gt;W&lt;/b&gt;, and good comments from &lt;b&gt;whiskey&lt;/b&gt;, too.

PS:  Got my own comment back to edit, so its working right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unlike a few other commenters, I concur with <b>Pork Rinds for Allah</b>&#8216;s solution.  The alternate lesser suggestions seem too subtle for the ME mindset, in my view.</p>
<p>Per <b>26. John Lynch:</b>, isn&#8217;t that called the &#8220;law of unintended consequences&#8221;?</p>
<p>Good post and thread, <b>W</b>, and good comments from <b>whiskey</b>, too.</p>
<p>PS:  Got my own comment back to edit, so its working right now.</p>
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		<title>By: virgil xenophen</title>
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		<dc:creator>virgil xenophen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in total agreement with Whiskey here. Let me pose this question about our own historical past. Shortly after the golden spike was hammered at Promentory Point, Utah, creating the transcontinental railroad, what conditions allowed a young widow of twin six-year old girls to board the train at St. Louis and travel safely alone to Sacramento, secure in the knowledge they would not be attacked and killed by Indians?  Was it because the RR cars had bullet/arrow-proof glass?  Was it because the engineer was safe inside an armored engine?  Was it because the Army guarded every train trestle and tunnel along the way? Was it because they were escorted by the US Cavalry? No. It was none of those. It was that we had simply killed all the Indians--or at least so many as the remainder were no longer a numerical nor military threat. There is a precedent in our own past for that which Whiskey predicts...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in total agreement with Whiskey here. Let me pose this question about our own historical past. Shortly after the golden spike was hammered at Promentory Point, Utah, creating the transcontinental railroad, what conditions allowed a young widow of twin six-year old girls to board the train at St. Louis and travel safely alone to Sacramento, secure in the knowledge they would not be attacked and killed by Indians?  Was it because the RR cars had bullet/arrow-proof glass?  Was it because the engineer was safe inside an armored engine?  Was it because the Army guarded every train trestle and tunnel along the way? Was it because they were escorted by the US Cavalry? No. It was none of those. It was that we had simply killed all the Indians&#8211;or at least so many as the remainder were no longer a numerical nor military threat. There is a precedent in our own past for that which Whiskey predicts&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: HEPT</title>
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		<dc:creator>HEPT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terrorist: &quot;Allah ackbar&quot;
Police: freeze you have the right to remain silent, attorny.......
Terrorist: die infidel BANG.
Police: ouch ya shot me uggggh.
Terrorist: Allah ackbar!
You cannot hunt well armed military trained unconventional soldiers with Police.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terrorist: &#8220;Allah ackbar&#8221;<br />
Police: freeze you have the right to remain silent, attorny&#8230;&#8230;.<br />
Terrorist: die infidel BANG.<br />
Police: ouch ya shot me uggggh.<br />
Terrorist: Allah ackbar!<br />
You cannot hunt well armed military trained unconventional soldiers with Police.</p>
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		<title>By: Albert</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/11/05/offensive-defense/#comment-79243</link>
		<dc:creator>Albert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An exciting new novel has just been released by Eloquent Books, New York, New York, titled &quot;A Kiss for the President&quot;.  It has an absorbing plotline involving the mafia, the CIA, the Bay of Pigs, the murder of Marlyn Monroe, and the assassination of JFK. Buy it today at the folling website: http://www.strategicpublishinggroup.com/title/AKissforthePresident.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An exciting new novel has just been released by Eloquent Books, New York, New York, titled &#8220;A Kiss for the President&#8221;.  It has an absorbing plotline involving the mafia, the CIA, the Bay of Pigs, the murder of Marlyn Monroe, and the assassination of JFK. Buy it today at the folling website: <a href="http://www.strategicpublishinggroup.com/title/AKissforthePresident.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.strategicpublishinggroup.com/title/AKissforthePresident.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: buddy larsen</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 04:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JMH/28, another crucial precursor was that in the six months between the November Armistice and the Versaille Treaty, US Progressive President Woodrow Wilson went into a pout over the Allies&#039; bickering and opted to imperiously ignore the two armistice promises he&#039;d made (to oppose territorial concessions and monetary reparations) and allowed the French &amp; British to write them out --and how --of the 1919 treaty. Woodrow threw in his cards on the first round of betting. Later the janitor, name of Adolf Hitler, found them on the floor and called for a restart of the game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JMH/28, another crucial precursor was that in the six months between the November Armistice and the Versaille Treaty, US Progressive President Woodrow Wilson went into a pout over the Allies&#8217; bickering and opted to imperiously ignore the two armistice promises he&#8217;d made (to oppose territorial concessions and monetary reparations) and allowed the French &amp; British to write them out &#8211;and how &#8211;of the 1919 treaty. Woodrow threw in his cards on the first round of betting. Later the janitor, name of Adolf Hitler, found them on the floor and called for a restart of the game.</p>
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		<title>By: jWarrior</title>
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		<dc:creator>jWarrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 03:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Former CIA guy Ishmael Jones thinks that the Italian Job that got the CIA in trouble was a dog and pony show. http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZTlmYTc4NGQ4NDhlYTZhYjBjZGE5MDUxMWQ0NjQ5OGE=
2) I am afraid Whiskey is right -- the Muslim world will not have its equivalent of the Reformation before some moron nukes one or more Western cities, at which point we will kill them all. I can&#039;t see how this does not end badly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Former CIA guy Ishmael Jones thinks that the Italian Job that got the CIA in trouble was a dog and pony show. <a href="http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZTlmYTc4NGQ4NDhlYTZhYjBjZGE5MDUxMWQ0NjQ5OGE" rel="nofollow">http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZTlmYTc4NGQ4NDhlYTZhYjBjZGE5MDUxMWQ0NjQ5OGE</a>=<br />
2) I am afraid Whiskey is right &#8212; the Muslim world will not have its equivalent of the Reformation before some moron nukes one or more Western cities, at which point we will kill them all. I can&#8217;t see how this does not end badly.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 03:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh, #1: &lt;i&gt;Eternal vigilance is the cost of freedom.&lt;/i&gt;

Which raises one more question: What is the cost &lt;b&gt;of&lt;/b&gt; eternal vigilance? Can America - or any other nation - really keep up their guard forever, or is it just a matter of time before &quot;vigilance fatigue&quot; finally sets in and people start deciding it&#039;s just not worth that cost anymore?

Mark, #9: &lt;i&gt;Obama and his domestic policies put us in a position wherein we have neither the current capacity or the reserves to pursue an independent course. We will find ourselves in the position of just being one more nation among many.&lt;/i&gt;

In a thoroughly globalized and tightly interconnected global economic and cultural environment, no less. The one-worlders may indeed get their wish, though not quite in the way they had in mind (i.e. an effectively stateless world, rather than a one-world state).

Geoffrey Britain, #16: &lt;i&gt;What must be done about terrorism cannot be done because sufficient political will to do so… doesn’t exist. Just as in the 30’s, liberal pacifism, denial and calls for appeasement prevent any decisive action against the infrastructure of terrorism.

That shall, just as it did in the 30’s, result in nothing substantive being done during the “gathering storm” phase.

Once nuclear terrorist attacks start occurring, then finally shall the US gain the unity that presently escapes us.&lt;/i&gt;

whiskey, #33: &lt;i&gt;INEVITABLY the Western Peoples will regard ALL Muslims as a threat, a mortal threat, to their lives and one that can only be dealt with by eradication.&lt;/i&gt;

I wouldn&#039;t stake Western civilization on either of these things happening even after an Islamic nuclear attack... at least, not if I had any choice but to do so.

Then there&#039;s my &quot;Fourth Conjecture&quot; that I&#039;ve brought up here a few times before, namely that after such an attack America and the West may indeed muster up the will to wipe out the &lt;i&gt;ummah&lt;/i&gt; - but only just long enough to do the deed, after which the usual self-hatred not only returns but is amped up by an order or two of magnitude, once the enormity of what we&#039;ve done sinks in. Once that happens, all bets on the West&#039;s continued survival in any recognizable form are off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh, #1: <i>Eternal vigilance is the cost of freedom.</i></p>
<p>Which raises one more question: What is the cost <b>of</b> eternal vigilance? Can America &#8211; or any other nation &#8211; really keep up their guard forever, or is it just a matter of time before &#8220;vigilance fatigue&#8221; finally sets in and people start deciding it&#8217;s just not worth that cost anymore?</p>
<p>Mark, #9: <i>Obama and his domestic policies put us in a position wherein we have neither the current capacity or the reserves to pursue an independent course. We will find ourselves in the position of just being one more nation among many.</i></p>
<p>In a thoroughly globalized and tightly interconnected global economic and cultural environment, no less. The one-worlders may indeed get their wish, though not quite in the way they had in mind (i.e. an effectively stateless world, rather than a one-world state).</p>
<p>Geoffrey Britain, #16: <i>What must be done about terrorism cannot be done because sufficient political will to do so… doesn’t exist. Just as in the 30’s, liberal pacifism, denial and calls for appeasement prevent any decisive action against the infrastructure of terrorism.</p>
<p>That shall, just as it did in the 30’s, result in nothing substantive being done during the “gathering storm” phase.</p>
<p>Once nuclear terrorist attacks start occurring, then finally shall the US gain the unity that presently escapes us.</i></p>
<p>whiskey, #33: <i>INEVITABLY the Western Peoples will regard ALL Muslims as a threat, a mortal threat, to their lives and one that can only be dealt with by eradication.</i></p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t stake Western civilization on either of these things happening even after an Islamic nuclear attack&#8230; at least, not if I had any choice but to do so.</p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s my &#8220;Fourth Conjecture&#8221; that I&#8217;ve brought up here a few times before, namely that after such an attack America and the West may indeed muster up the will to wipe out the <i>ummah</i> &#8211; but only just long enough to do the deed, after which the usual self-hatred not only returns but is amped up by an order or two of magnitude, once the enormity of what we&#8217;ve done sinks in. Once that happens, all bets on the West&#8217;s continued survival in any recognizable form are off.</p>
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		<title>By: rickl</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 03:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;CIA director Leon Panetta got into hot water with Congress, after he revealed an agency program to hunt down and kill terrorists. A recent report from the U.S. military’s Joint Special Operations University argues that the CIA didn’t go far enough. Instead, it suggests the American government should set up something like a “National Manhunting Agency” to go after jihadists, drug dealers, pirates &lt;b&gt;and other enemies of the state. …&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

Brrrr.  Be careful what you wish for.  I can think of a lot of ways a National Manhunting Agency can go wrong, starting with who gets to define &quot;enemies of the state&quot;.

Better, as Kinuachdrach alludes to above, is Congress issuing Letters of Marque against terrorists.  That idea has been floated some during the last few years, and I think it deserves a look.  It is provided for in the Constitution, and would essentially empower privateers to go after terrorists.  Decentralized groups of private citizens pursuing decentralized groups of terrorists.  It&#039;s fighting fire with fire.

Alas, I suspect that the reason the government isn&#039;t interested is that it doesn&#039;t cause more power to accrue to government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>CIA director Leon Panetta got into hot water with Congress, after he revealed an agency program to hunt down and kill terrorists. A recent report from the U.S. military’s Joint Special Operations University argues that the CIA didn’t go far enough. Instead, it suggests the American government should set up something like a “National Manhunting Agency” to go after jihadists, drug dealers, pirates <b>and other enemies of the state. …</b></i></p>
<p>Brrrr.  Be careful what you wish for.  I can think of a lot of ways a National Manhunting Agency can go wrong, starting with who gets to define &#8220;enemies of the state&#8221;.</p>
<p>Better, as Kinuachdrach alludes to above, is Congress issuing Letters of Marque against terrorists.  That idea has been floated some during the last few years, and I think it deserves a look.  It is provided for in the Constitution, and would essentially empower privateers to go after terrorists.  Decentralized groups of private citizens pursuing decentralized groups of terrorists.  It&#8217;s fighting fire with fire.</p>
<p>Alas, I suspect that the reason the government isn&#8217;t interested is that it doesn&#8217;t cause more power to accrue to government.</p>
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		<title>By: RagnarD</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 02:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wretchard @ 2:

&lt;blockquote&gt;.... UN Special Rapporteur on &lt;b&gt;Extrajudicial Executions&lt;/b&gt; Philip Alston ....&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Emphasis mine. Translates to &quot;UN Czar of Assassinations&quot;. As for the international law bit, I don&#039;t think there is a provision in the Constitution certifying international laws. Lem&#039;me go check. (Search frantically.........) Nope, nothing. So, wretchard, from a purely American perspective that argument is a no-go AFAIK.

Now, I do believe around the time of pResident Clintoon there was a law put on the books making it illegal for the US to run assassination squads. IOW, doing so is a direct violation of Federal Code.

NahnCee @ 8 said:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Their yipping is becoming louder and more aggressive in a “gimme gimme we DESERVE it” sort of way which makes me wonder who has been promising what to that august body behind the scenes.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Should something like that go down, I believe that you could drop the flag on the revolution. That is one of those this far and no further points. JHMO

Pork Rinds for Allah @ 14: re: Your solution to the Palestinian Question - Thank G-d that the Israelis are more humane than that. They have some who advocate those kind of solutions and rightly then remember their won history. BTW, I have spent well over a year total time in Israel over the last 12 years.

Okay, off to more mundane pursuits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wretchard @ 2:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;. UN Special Rapporteur on <b>Extrajudicial Executions</b> Philip Alston &#8230;.</p></blockquote>
<p>Emphasis mine. Translates to &#8220;UN Czar of Assassinations&#8221;. As for the international law bit, I don&#8217;t think there is a provision in the Constitution certifying international laws. Lem&#8217;me go check. (Search frantically&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;) Nope, nothing. So, wretchard, from a purely American perspective that argument is a no-go AFAIK.</p>
<p>Now, I do believe around the time of pResident Clintoon there was a law put on the books making it illegal for the US to run assassination squads. IOW, doing so is a direct violation of Federal Code.</p>
<p>NahnCee @ 8 said:</p>
<blockquote><p>Their yipping is becoming louder and more aggressive in a “gimme gimme we DESERVE it” sort of way which makes me wonder who has been promising what to that august body behind the scenes.</p></blockquote>
<p>Should something like that go down, I believe that you could drop the flag on the revolution. That is one of those this far and no further points. JHMO</p>
<p>Pork Rinds for Allah @ 14: re: Your solution to the Palestinian Question &#8211; Thank G-d that the Israelis are more humane than that. They have some who advocate those kind of solutions and rightly then remember their won history. BTW, I have spent well over a year total time in Israel over the last 12 years.</p>
<p>Okay, off to more mundane pursuits.</p>
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