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		<title>By: marymcl</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 02:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@282 Cheryl:

&quot;The only way we will rid ourselves of the corrupt parasites in government is to kill them, their enablers and their supporters. Sooner or later it will come to that if Americans really, really want to be free.&quot;

And just what would be your selection criteria for &quot;their enablers and their supporters&quot;? You think a Ministry of Truth for the Right is good idea? What do you say we start with you?

This is what happens when people start getting too self-righteous about their political opinions. And I couldn&#039;t care less what Thomas Jefferson said about watering trees with other people&#039;s blood. The Second Amendment (which I wholeheartedly support) isn&#039;t a mandate for murdering people with different sets of prejudices and the Belmont Club isn&#039;t a think tank for political assassination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@282 Cheryl:</p>
<p>&#8220;The only way we will rid ourselves of the corrupt parasites in government is to kill them, their enablers and their supporters. Sooner or later it will come to that if Americans really, really want to be free.&#8221;</p>
<p>And just what would be your selection criteria for &#8220;their enablers and their supporters&#8221;? You think a Ministry of Truth for the Right is good idea? What do you say we start with you?</p>
<p>This is what happens when people start getting too self-righteous about their political opinions. And I couldn&#8217;t care less what Thomas Jefferson said about watering trees with other people&#8217;s blood. The Second Amendment (which I wholeheartedly support) isn&#8217;t a mandate for murdering people with different sets of prejudices and the Belmont Club isn&#8217;t a think tank for political assassination.</p>
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		<title>By: jWarrior</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 02:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>72. Mad Fiddler said: &quot;Sure, there are dangers, but the response of making LIFE idiot-proof has had the long term effect of allowing morons to survive to breeding age, and multiply.&quot;

I highly recommend Mike Judge&#039;s movie Idiocracy which proves Mad Fiddler&#039;s point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>72. Mad Fiddler said: &#8220;Sure, there are dangers, but the response of making LIFE idiot-proof has had the long term effect of allowing morons to survive to breeding age, and multiply.&#8221;</p>
<p>I highly recommend Mike Judge&#8217;s movie Idiocracy which proves Mad Fiddler&#8217;s point.</p>
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		<title>By: presbypoet</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 02:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sylvia, 291
Being a vet, i see a gun as a tool. A tool i may or may not need. If I live in a safe area, don&#039;t hunt, and don&#039;t enjoy target practice or collecting, a gun is a low priority.  I too live in the vicinity of the blob called Silicon Valley. There seems little need for guns, unless you live close to one of the crime pockets.  

OTOH, when my wife&#039;s father died, and we helped clean up his Oakland house, there were three guns the ex-Marine had hidden among 20,000 books.  He knew his area. He knew how to use them, and so he kept these tools the same way he kept tools for making book cases, tools to maintain the yard. 

A good tool costs money. It needs to be maintained. Just having a tool, but not knowing how to use it can be more dangerous than not having it.  

In San Jose, it is more important to be prepared for the coming earthquake, than be prepared for a much less likely home invasion.  How close are you to the Calaveras Faultline? At least for now it&#039;s more important...

Had an interesting encounter with a man after church today. He has lived in America five years, and must return to India, (Job). He told me he feels American, no longer Indian. He became a Christian here in America. (His family background is Hindu). America still attracts those who want to break out of limiting cultures, that try to keep classes fixed.  

This to me is the strange conversation. We talk of elites, yet America has always been this strange mixture of elite and common. Contrast Jackson, the wild man of the west, and his parties in the White House. Lincoln, born in log cabin. Teddy R. born to high society, but going out west, living a true rugged life.   The other Roosevelt, going to Washington to do &quot;good&quot;.  Bush, the first, going to Texas to the oil patch. This strange mixture of elite and common.

We have always been the land of opportunity. Yet we also have boss run cities. Boss Tweed, is one among many. Chicago, where crime seems it&#039;s major export.  As you read American history, it is a story of glory and dishonor. Of freedom, and monopoly. Of Christian values, and religious freedom, including the right to not believe anything.   A land where a man can come from India with nothing, and become a successful American. A land where a rich heiress   can be best known for a sex tape. 

The rich you will always have with you. Grieve for those who rejoice in riches, for they know not what is important.  Power has always corrupted. The love of money has always been the root of evil. 

I notice they have made a movie of &quot;The Blind Side&quot;.  It too is a story about class. A good story. It gives me a reason to root for the Colts.  The Niners could have used a good OT to protect the blind side. Although Crab seems able to catch, so he may be worth it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sylvia, 291<br />
Being a vet, i see a gun as a tool. A tool i may or may not need. If I live in a safe area, don&#8217;t hunt, and don&#8217;t enjoy target practice or collecting, a gun is a low priority.  I too live in the vicinity of the blob called Silicon Valley. There seems little need for guns, unless you live close to one of the crime pockets.  </p>
<p>OTOH, when my wife&#8217;s father died, and we helped clean up his Oakland house, there were three guns the ex-Marine had hidden among 20,000 books.  He knew his area. He knew how to use them, and so he kept these tools the same way he kept tools for making book cases, tools to maintain the yard. </p>
<p>A good tool costs money. It needs to be maintained. Just having a tool, but not knowing how to use it can be more dangerous than not having it.  </p>
<p>In San Jose, it is more important to be prepared for the coming earthquake, than be prepared for a much less likely home invasion.  How close are you to the Calaveras Faultline? At least for now it&#8217;s more important&#8230;</p>
<p>Had an interesting encounter with a man after church today. He has lived in America five years, and must return to India, (Job). He told me he feels American, no longer Indian. He became a Christian here in America. (His family background is Hindu). America still attracts those who want to break out of limiting cultures, that try to keep classes fixed.  </p>
<p>This to me is the strange conversation. We talk of elites, yet America has always been this strange mixture of elite and common. Contrast Jackson, the wild man of the west, and his parties in the White House. Lincoln, born in log cabin. Teddy R. born to high society, but going out west, living a true rugged life.   The other Roosevelt, going to Washington to do &#8220;good&#8221;.  Bush, the first, going to Texas to the oil patch. This strange mixture of elite and common.</p>
<p>We have always been the land of opportunity. Yet we also have boss run cities. Boss Tweed, is one among many. Chicago, where crime seems it&#8217;s major export.  As you read American history, it is a story of glory and dishonor. Of freedom, and monopoly. Of Christian values, and religious freedom, including the right to not believe anything.   A land where a man can come from India with nothing, and become a successful American. A land where a rich heiress   can be best known for a sex tape. </p>
<p>The rich you will always have with you. Grieve for those who rejoice in riches, for they know not what is important.  Power has always corrupted. The love of money has always been the root of evil. </p>
<p>I notice they have made a movie of &#8220;The Blind Side&#8221;.  It too is a story about class. A good story. It gives me a reason to root for the Colts.  The Niners could have used a good OT to protect the blind side. Although Crab seems able to catch, so he may be worth it.</p>
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		<title>By: LFMayor</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 02:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Sylvia!  (the ball of string made me laugh, I keep the good shoe lace when one of a pair give it up)

All, please don&#039;t let the faint hearts deter you from firearms.  Get knowledgeable, get mentors, get one!  If you can trust yourself to operate a motor vehicle or a chainsaw, there&#039;s no reason why you couldn&#039;t have one other implement.

It&#039;s not a magic wand.  Just because you have it doesn&#039;t mean things always go your way.  It is however a rewarding hobby, it&#039;s a confidence and discipline builder and it&#039;s peace of mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Sylvia!  (the ball of string made me laugh, I keep the good shoe lace when one of a pair give it up)</p>
<p>All, please don&#8217;t let the faint hearts deter you from firearms.  Get knowledgeable, get mentors, get one!  If you can trust yourself to operate a motor vehicle or a chainsaw, there&#8217;s no reason why you couldn&#8217;t have one other implement.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a magic wand.  Just because you have it doesn&#8217;t mean things always go your way.  It is however a rewarding hobby, it&#8217;s a confidence and discipline builder and it&#8217;s peace of mind.</p>
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		<title>By: M. Report</title>
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		<dc:creator>M. Report</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 02:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peggy Noonan: The Lordlings

&quot;Lord&quot; is an interesting word choice;
Feudalism, under a kind Lord, is the
best that a people unable to govern
themselves can hope for.

We are about to find out if we are still
Exceptional.

http://www.kipling.org.uk/poems_normansaxon.htm</description>
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<p>&#8220;Lord&#8221; is an interesting word choice;<br />
Feudalism, under a kind Lord, is the<br />
best that a people unable to govern<br />
themselves can hope for.</p>
<p>We are about to find out if we are still<br />
Exceptional.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.kipling.org.uk/poems_normansaxon.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.kipling.org.uk/poems_normansaxon.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: AST</title>
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		<dc:creator>AST</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 02:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve thought frequently over the past decade how many of the issues being argued over have had their solutions in the stories and fairy tales of my childhood.  

When people were moaning that we couldn&#039;t overthrow Saddam without the imprimatur of the U.N., it reminded me of the Little Red Hen. 

Global warming/climate change reminds me of Chicken Little.  

I can&#039;t say how many things have reminded me of The Emperor&#039;s New Clothes.

And here is the Pied Piper.  I might also mention Pinocchio and the experience of him and his friends on Pleasure Island.  

The deficits being added to the national debt remind me of killing the goose that laid the golden eggs.  And earlier, I saw a reference by Mark Steyn to Obama resting on 19 mattresses of media support and still feeling the pea from Fox News or the National Chamber of Commerce.  

Every once in a while I remember the book by Robert Fulghum, &quot;ALL I REALLY NEED TO KNOW I LEARNED IN KINDERGARTEN,&quot; but I notice now that his book has been cited as a pacifist message by a site at http://www.peace.ca/kindergarten.htm.  Apparently this person forgot that Kindergarten has teachers who keep the peace.

Who hasn&#039;t thought of Little Red Riding Hood noting, &quot;Grandmother, what big teeth you have!&quot; when reading about Obama&#039;s &quot;diplomacy&quot; with Iran? 

Life is full of situations where the answers are supplied by what was once called common sense, but our postmodern age seems to specialize in arguing perversely against it.  The mythos of America seems to be disappearing even as the myth of the United Nations is fed unceasingly.  I&#039;m worried that we may suffer the fate of the Gingerbread Man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve thought frequently over the past decade how many of the issues being argued over have had their solutions in the stories and fairy tales of my childhood.  </p>
<p>When people were moaning that we couldn&#8217;t overthrow Saddam without the imprimatur of the U.N., it reminded me of the Little Red Hen. </p>
<p>Global warming/climate change reminds me of Chicken Little.  </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t say how many things have reminded me of The Emperor&#8217;s New Clothes.</p>
<p>And here is the Pied Piper.  I might also mention Pinocchio and the experience of him and his friends on Pleasure Island.  </p>
<p>The deficits being added to the national debt remind me of killing the goose that laid the golden eggs.  And earlier, I saw a reference by Mark Steyn to Obama resting on 19 mattresses of media support and still feeling the pea from Fox News or the National Chamber of Commerce.  </p>
<p>Every once in a while I remember the book by Robert Fulghum, &#8220;ALL I REALLY NEED TO KNOW I LEARNED IN KINDERGARTEN,&#8221; but I notice now that his book has been cited as a pacifist message by a site at <a href="http://www.peace.ca/kindergarten.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.peace.ca/kindergarten.htm</a>.  Apparently this person forgot that Kindergarten has teachers who keep the peace.</p>
<p>Who hasn&#8217;t thought of Little Red Riding Hood noting, &#8220;Grandmother, what big teeth you have!&#8221; when reading about Obama&#8217;s &#8220;diplomacy&#8221; with Iran? </p>
<p>Life is full of situations where the answers are supplied by what was once called common sense, but our postmodern age seems to specialize in arguing perversely against it.  The mythos of America seems to be disappearing even as the myth of the United Nations is fed unceasingly.  I&#8217;m worried that we may suffer the fate of the Gingerbread Man.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 01:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>35. Dr Sanity
But for most, even to many of the Left, they’ll adapt if they see things aren’t working. They may be temporarily stupid, but they’re not permanently crazy. Most people don’t have enough education to be continuously loco.

Wretchard, I fear you are incorrect.

I agree,Doc.

Wretch, elitists always ensure they are insulated from the impacts their policies and ideologies have on the common man. They surely stop associating with them and so isolate themselves from the consequences their actions have on normal people.

They have reduced those people to ciphers. Dehumanised them like the Nazis did with the Jews, the Slavs, Jesse Owens and almost everybody else.
But perhaps a better non-racist analogy (due to its claims to be an international movement) is the Moscow-led Communists who identified all who would resist their excesses as fascists and/or counter-revolutionaries which dehumanised them to the point where it was easy to kill or otherwise neutralise any who espoused a counterpoint. That is what the Left does today. They learned the lesson well.

So the temptation is to wring out every possible moment that allows them to keep their hands on the levers of power, even as the ship burns or the Soviet Army closes in on  the fuhrerbunker.

Do you really think they would voluntarily relinquish the levers if their model was not working, and step aside for the good of a nation and in the case of a Constitution that has thwarted people of their ilk for so many generations?

They are so narcissistic that they would rather die than relinquish their fantasy world/mental projection.

I only hope that Americans with traditional beliefs and traditional power including their guns present enough  of a threat to these  Lefty Lordlings that they are intimidated into doing the right thing when the crunch comes, and it will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>35. Dr Sanity<br />
But for most, even to many of the Left, they’ll adapt if they see things aren’t working. They may be temporarily stupid, but they’re not permanently crazy. Most people don’t have enough education to be continuously loco.</p>
<p>Wretchard, I fear you are incorrect.</p>
<p>I agree,Doc.</p>
<p>Wretch, elitists always ensure they are insulated from the impacts their policies and ideologies have on the common man. They surely stop associating with them and so isolate themselves from the consequences their actions have on normal people.</p>
<p>They have reduced those people to ciphers. Dehumanised them like the Nazis did with the Jews, the Slavs, Jesse Owens and almost everybody else.<br />
But perhaps a better non-racist analogy (due to its claims to be an international movement) is the Moscow-led Communists who identified all who would resist their excesses as fascists and/or counter-revolutionaries which dehumanised them to the point where it was easy to kill or otherwise neutralise any who espoused a counterpoint. That is what the Left does today. They learned the lesson well.</p>
<p>So the temptation is to wring out every possible moment that allows them to keep their hands on the levers of power, even as the ship burns or the Soviet Army closes in on  the fuhrerbunker.</p>
<p>Do you really think they would voluntarily relinquish the levers if their model was not working, and step aside for the good of a nation and in the case of a Constitution that has thwarted people of their ilk for so many generations?</p>
<p>They are so narcissistic that they would rather die than relinquish their fantasy world/mental projection.</p>
<p>I only hope that Americans with traditional beliefs and traditional power including their guns present enough  of a threat to these  Lefty Lordlings that they are intimidated into doing the right thing when the crunch comes, and it will.</p>
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		<title>By: Sylvia</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 01:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More than once on BC I&#039;ve seen the beginning of a troubling rift between those who prefer to be armed and those who would rather not.  Here&#039;s an attempt to shed light on what gun ownership signifies for some of us.  And no, I do not currently have anything more than a hunting knife in my house, but I have saved my own life with guns and also with words against a man with a gun.

There are too many parallels between the current larger crises of Iran and NK and others playing with fire and the closer fears of what might happen when unemployment continues to soar and violent crime follows suit.  I wake in the morning fretting about how to pay for my daughter&#039;s college, let alone a cheap car so she can commute to school or a job.  I worry about the increase in street people and am more careful when I walk to the store after dark.  I fear that my daughter will not be able to have the joy of a long life, whether because of the disintegration of the medical-industrial complex that would whisk her to the ER or because of a terrorist&#039;s attack.  

I am a solid, practical woman.  If it breaks, I can fix it, from a shoelace to a computer&#039;s motherboard.  I find, though, that the confidence that has carried me through a truly difficult life is failing me -- of all things, because I am at heart a patriot and to see my country betrayed has cut at my soul.  It is akin to when I first met an evil person and realized how fortunate I&#039;d been to grow up loved by good people in a small town. I live in Silicon Valley now and most of my friends think Obama is too conservative, but even they are feeling a sea change in their confidence.  The bedrock of Being American is cracked.

I do believe in God, a rather standard Christian god, one who expects us to step up and do our part.  There have been times in my life where that meant reaching for the pistol above the door and shoving it in an aggressive man&#039;s gut and letting him see that I had no qualms about dispatching his sorry self.  The security of having that gun nearby, loaded, and knowing that I could hit what I needed -- that&#039;s a level of power most housewives simply don&#039;t have.  If you&#039;ve ever tried to fend off an armed rapist with a whiskey bottle, hoping you have time to break it and kill him before he shoots and you bleed out -- concealed weapons permits start to have real appeal.

For those of us who grew up with scouting, &quot;Be prepared,&quot; means we have a full set of batteries in the closet, a big ball of string, bottled water and maybe a portable filter, a first aid kit under the bathroom sink, and perhaps a well-stocked gun cabinet.  It isn&#039;t that we sit up late at night planning a hit list, but that we see it as being responsible citizens, Americans, to be prepared for *any* eventuality.  For some of us who have looked evil in the face, that includes small arms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More than once on BC I&#8217;ve seen the beginning of a troubling rift between those who prefer to be armed and those who would rather not.  Here&#8217;s an attempt to shed light on what gun ownership signifies for some of us.  And no, I do not currently have anything more than a hunting knife in my house, but I have saved my own life with guns and also with words against a man with a gun.</p>
<p>There are too many parallels between the current larger crises of Iran and NK and others playing with fire and the closer fears of what might happen when unemployment continues to soar and violent crime follows suit.  I wake in the morning fretting about how to pay for my daughter&#8217;s college, let alone a cheap car so she can commute to school or a job.  I worry about the increase in street people and am more careful when I walk to the store after dark.  I fear that my daughter will not be able to have the joy of a long life, whether because of the disintegration of the medical-industrial complex that would whisk her to the ER or because of a terrorist&#8217;s attack.  </p>
<p>I am a solid, practical woman.  If it breaks, I can fix it, from a shoelace to a computer&#8217;s motherboard.  I find, though, that the confidence that has carried me through a truly difficult life is failing me &#8212; of all things, because I am at heart a patriot and to see my country betrayed has cut at my soul.  It is akin to when I first met an evil person and realized how fortunate I&#8217;d been to grow up loved by good people in a small town. I live in Silicon Valley now and most of my friends think Obama is too conservative, but even they are feeling a sea change in their confidence.  The bedrock of Being American is cracked.</p>
<p>I do believe in God, a rather standard Christian god, one who expects us to step up and do our part.  There have been times in my life where that meant reaching for the pistol above the door and shoving it in an aggressive man&#8217;s gut and letting him see that I had no qualms about dispatching his sorry self.  The security of having that gun nearby, loaded, and knowing that I could hit what I needed &#8212; that&#8217;s a level of power most housewives simply don&#8217;t have.  If you&#8217;ve ever tried to fend off an armed rapist with a whiskey bottle, hoping you have time to break it and kill him before he shoots and you bleed out &#8212; concealed weapons permits start to have real appeal.</p>
<p>For those of us who grew up with scouting, &#8220;Be prepared,&#8221; means we have a full set of batteries in the closet, a big ball of string, bottled water and maybe a portable filter, a first aid kit under the bathroom sink, and perhaps a well-stocked gun cabinet.  It isn&#8217;t that we sit up late at night planning a hit list, but that we see it as being responsible citizens, Americans, to be prepared for *any* eventuality.  For some of us who have looked evil in the face, that includes small arms.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
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		<description>People must suffer the humility of their own failures, so that we might grow up and develop any character. I think that this would also apply to nations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People must suffer the humility of their own failures, so that we might grow up and develop any character. I think that this would also apply to nations.</p>
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		<title>By: Whitehall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Whitehall</dc:creator>
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		<description>So, are we back to Livy&#039;s summary of the politics of the Late Roman Republic:

&quot;My head or thy head?&quot;

Only if Obama and his colleagues wish it so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, are we back to Livy&#8217;s summary of the politics of the Late Roman Republic:</p>
<p>&#8220;My head or thy head?&#8221;</p>
<p>Only if Obama and his colleagues wish it so.</p>
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