“BTW many of both types of redwoods that did well in Australia for almost a century are dying due to the prolonged drought in SE Oz. Redwoods have no tap root.”

That’s a funny thing I noticed when I was touring New Zealand a few years ago. Every once in a while, I’d see some California redwood trees growing there. In California, we have many different species of Australian gum trees (Eucalyptus) growing just about everywhere as weeds (I’ve got a Bunya Pine in the back yard). The redwood trees that I saw in Queenstown, New Zealand looked weird. They were unusually fat and not particularly tall. I suspect the climate there as in SE Oz didn’t agree with them.

“As it happens, I live on the edge of a canyon (Sarco Creek canyon, on the east side of the Napa Valley)) which contains the easternmost grove of naturally occurring redwoods in the world. I look at those beauties with profound reverence every day.”

That may be true for sequoia sempivirens (sp?) but it is certainly not true for sequoia gigantea which grows mostly between the 5,000 and 9,000′ levels in the Sierra Nevadas.

BTW many of both types of redwoods that did well in Australia for almost a century are dying due to the prolonged drought in SE Oz. Redwoods have no tap root.

“Lorenz was the chaos guy. Lorentz was the relativity guy.”

I stand corrected.

M. Simon also said:

“I have (had?) code flying on the F-16 and SR-71. Also designed a couple of electronic gadgets for the B-52.”

My claim to fame is some wrecked junk on the surface of Mars:

http://mer.rlproject.com/o335_hs.jpg

I should emphasize that most aerospace projects represent the combined efforts of thousands of people (I’m only a face in a big crowd). The guy I envy was the Lockheed-Martin engineer who did the separation springs. At least his work was distinctive. Also that rock in the back was found to be an iron-nickel meteorite (it’s not Martian).

I have (had?) code flying on the F-16 and SR-71. Also designed a couple of electronic gadgets for the B-52.

That is how a real nerd does it.

I visited the SAC Museum at Offutt this past summer and the tour guide was impressed. Good enough for me.

I lived in and near Briceland for a few years and was a regular visitor to Whitethorn and of course Redway.

Engineering 100X more so. Design reviews are all about no quarter asked – none given. I LOVE them. Giving or receiving.

If climate science was held to engineering standard it might actually be worthy.

Your high hopes that the “hockey stick” fraud will bring down AGW is understandable, but maybe a stretch. Over just the last 3 years, there have been one after another such AGW frauds exposed, with nary a ripple, and without slowing down the global march of AGW madness for a second.

Find data at http://www.gerrycharlottephelps.com/environment/.

Scroll down to June 12, 2008, which is a post about debunking of AGW by an AGW “Denier” who is tops in his field. Keep scrolling down for other Deniers, each tops in his field, each debunking AGW. Resulting injury to AGW? Zero.

Keep scrolling down to 5-11-07 to see the series of AGW-debunking videos produced by a group of top UK scientist-”Deniers”. The videos were called “Doomsday Called Off.” and even shown on the BBC. Net results in stopping – or even slowing – AGW? Zero.

Keep scrolling down. Enough such AGW-debunking links to keep you busy for weeks.

Finally, scroll down to the Stratfor article on 2-3-07, describing AGW as simply a massive power-grab by the EU.

Stop the AGW by debunking it? In their dreams! If only…

In fact it appears that more c02, to the extent we have seen it, may not lead to significantly higher temperatures. It just points out how little is known about all the factors, like the absorption spectra of co2, the role of mitigating factors like sunlight and clouds.

It amazes me when people say that the way top prevent climate change is to engineer a response. Engineering requires empirical knowledge of how materials behave.