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		<title>By: Cannoneer No. 4</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cannoneer No. 4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember the &lt;a href=&quot;http://blueandgraytrail.com/event/Fire-eaters&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Fire-eaters&lt;/a&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember the <a href="http://blueandgraytrail.com/event/Fire-eaters" rel="nofollow">Fire-eaters</a>?</p>
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		<title>By: LFMayor</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/08/24/the-mandate-of-heaven/#comment-68643</link>
		<dc:creator>LFMayor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 05:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: 164  Cannoneer.  When they spit upon the men my father served with  and by undermining public perception and support of that conflict, they went beyond the pale.  When they plundered all that my father&#039;s father endured and sacrificed for, they went beyond the pale.  When they threaten to squander the future and freedom of my children, they are beyond the pale.  All of them, from the lowliest paid hooded sweatshirt wearing pimpled G-8 protester to the Armani wearing stuffed suit sitting on a board of directors.

They do not love freedom, instead they love and covet power.  They have through trickery and manipulation kept an entire class of people as their slaves for what, 6 generations now?  Even as we speak they spread their lies into our youth.  Many the very people freed by the conflict you quoted from.  And for what end?  For the sole purpose of defeating our very principles of equity by using those principles against us.  They are not Americans, not as defined by those that suffered to create and sustain our nation.  The vain narcissists who seek to enslave us care only for themselves and seek to use all weaker than they as a commodity, they are soul-less relativist.  

I call them beyond the pale, and I sir am most certainly not alone.  If there are any of them left when this is over (if we are left) then we&#039;ll discuss re-education.  I don&#039;t expect them to sing Silent Night with us once this gets lit, they are that far out of bounds now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: 164  Cannoneer.  When they spit upon the men my father served with  and by undermining public perception and support of that conflict, they went beyond the pale.  When they plundered all that my father&#8217;s father endured and sacrificed for, they went beyond the pale.  When they threaten to squander the future and freedom of my children, they are beyond the pale.  All of them, from the lowliest paid hooded sweatshirt wearing pimpled G-8 protester to the Armani wearing stuffed suit sitting on a board of directors.</p>
<p>They do not love freedom, instead they love and covet power.  They have through trickery and manipulation kept an entire class of people as their slaves for what, 6 generations now?  Even as we speak they spread their lies into our youth.  Many the very people freed by the conflict you quoted from.  And for what end?  For the sole purpose of defeating our very principles of equity by using those principles against us.  They are not Americans, not as defined by those that suffered to create and sustain our nation.  The vain narcissists who seek to enslave us care only for themselves and seek to use all weaker than they as a commodity, they are soul-less relativist.  </p>
<p>I call them beyond the pale, and I sir am most certainly not alone.  If there are any of them left when this is over (if we are left) then we&#8217;ll discuss re-education.  I don&#8217;t expect them to sing Silent Night with us once this gets lit, they are that far out of bounds now.</p>
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		<title>By: luddy barsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>luddy barsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 03:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ontogeny recapitulating phylogeny in this pressurized evolution of a New American</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ontogeny recapitulating phylogeny in this pressurized evolution of a New American</p>
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		<title>By: Cannoneer No. 4</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/08/24/the-mandate-of-heaven/#comment-68618</link>
		<dc:creator>Cannoneer No. 4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 00:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The confidence felt in the righteousness of the Union cause and in the military power of the Government to speedily suppress the rebellion gave strong hopes to the general public that the war would be a short one. But after an experience of bloody conflict, during which time the morning papers with heavy headlines too often brought the words of defeat and great losses to the Union forces, saddening the hearts of loyalists and giving encouragement to those opposed to the Government, who grew more violent in their denunciations of the war, it began to dawn upon the people and the Government that our Southern antagonists were of like metal with our own Northern army. Rev. Henry Ward Beecher expressed the situation to a large London audience, while there seeking England&#039;s influence in the preservation of the Union, where he did the country invaluable service. In the midst of a strong and earnest appeal for the North and its righteous cause before a large audience, but one greatly at odds with him, he was interrupted with the question from one of his hearers: &quot;If your cause is so righteous with your great Northern strength, why don&#039;t you put the rebellion down?&quot; The quick reply was, &quot;Because we are fighting Americans and not Englishmen.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; 

They &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; still our countrymen, and even if The Good Guys win this CWII, their widows and daughters and sons will &lt;i&gt;still&lt;/i&gt; be our countrymen.  Who has the standing or legitimacy to declare some Americans Beyond The Pale?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The confidence felt in the righteousness of the Union cause and in the military power of the Government to speedily suppress the rebellion gave strong hopes to the general public that the war would be a short one. But after an experience of bloody conflict, during which time the morning papers with heavy headlines too often brought the words of defeat and great losses to the Union forces, saddening the hearts of loyalists and giving encouragement to those opposed to the Government, who grew more violent in their denunciations of the war, it began to dawn upon the people and the Government that our Southern antagonists were of like metal with our own Northern army. Rev. Henry Ward Beecher expressed the situation to a large London audience, while there seeking England&#8217;s influence in the preservation of the Union, where he did the country invaluable service. In the midst of a strong and earnest appeal for the North and its righteous cause before a large audience, but one greatly at odds with him, he was interrupted with the question from one of his hearers: &#8220;If your cause is so righteous with your great Northern strength, why don&#8217;t you put the rebellion down?&#8221; The quick reply was, &#8220;Because we are fighting Americans and not Englishmen.&#8221;</i> </p>
<p>They <i>are</i> still our countrymen, and even if The Good Guys win this CWII, their widows and daughters and sons will <i>still</i> be our countrymen.  Who has the standing or legitimacy to declare some Americans Beyond The Pale?</p>
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		<title>By: Subotai Bahadur</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/08/24/the-mandate-of-heaven/#comment-68600</link>
		<dc:creator>Subotai Bahadur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 22:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#160 Mongoose,

My usage.  It is an acronym for &lt;strong&gt;T&lt;/strong&gt;hose &lt;strong&gt;W&lt;/strong&gt;ho &lt;strong&gt;A&lt;/strong&gt;re &lt;strong&gt;N&lt;/strong&gt;o &lt;strong&gt;L&lt;/strong&gt;onger &lt;strong&gt;O&lt;/strong&gt;ur &lt;strong&gt;C&lt;/strong&gt;ountrymen.  Given the nature of the Cold Civil War, and the rising temperature; we are beyond mere differences between Democrat and Republican, or even Left and Right.  At this point we do not share a culture, a language [we use the same words, but they convey totally different meanings], or a view of how the world is.  Indeed, there is as much difference between us and Wahabists as between us and those I refer to as TWANLOC.  Mind you, Wahabists and TWANLOC are not the same, just both are different from us along different axis&#039;.  They do share on thing, which leads to a degree of mutual support between them. It is a belief that &quot;The enemy of my enemy (in this case us) is my friend.&quot;.

The acronym works for me, YMMV.

Subotai Bahadur</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#160 Mongoose,</p>
<p>My usage.  It is an acronym for <strong>T</strong>hose <strong>W</strong>ho <strong>A</strong>re <strong>N</strong>o <strong>L</strong>onger <strong>O</strong>ur <strong>C</strong>ountrymen.  Given the nature of the Cold Civil War, and the rising temperature; we are beyond mere differences between Democrat and Republican, or even Left and Right.  At this point we do not share a culture, a language [we use the same words, but they convey totally different meanings], or a view of how the world is.  Indeed, there is as much difference between us and Wahabists as between us and those I refer to as TWANLOC.  Mind you, Wahabists and TWANLOC are not the same, just both are different from us along different axis&#8217;.  They do share on thing, which leads to a degree of mutual support between them. It is a belief that &#8220;The enemy of my enemy (in this case us) is my friend.&#8221;.</p>
<p>The acronym works for me, YMMV.</p>
<p>Subotai Bahadur</p>
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		<title>By: pressingTowardTheMark</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/08/24/the-mandate-of-heaven/#comment-68596</link>
		<dc:creator>pressingTowardTheMark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 22:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TWANLOC those who are no longer our countrymen

see http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/08/22/a-tribute-to-our-decency/#comment-147</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TWANLOC those who are no longer our countrymen</p>
<p>see <a href="http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/08/22/a-tribute-to-our-decency/#comment-147" rel="nofollow">http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/08/22/a-tribute-to-our-decency/#comment-147</a></p>
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		<title>By: luddy barsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>luddy barsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He was speaking at something called &quot;The National Conference for Media Reform&quot;, date either 2003 or 2008 (couldn&#039;t read the banner fast enough).

Since 90% or so of the communications industry is already reliable to this admin&#039;s aims, the &#039;reform&#039; subject of the &#039;national conference can mean only one thing --that other 10% or so has to be that which &quot;requires reform&quot;.

The czars, sez Beck, are the muscle, the exoskeleton, of a &quot;...machine being built that is awaiting &#039;an event&#039;, which will come, one way or another, and then they will &#039;turn the machine on&#039;.

Beck is asking for people to start archiving little-known info on the czars --as he thinks the web will be getting scrubbed before long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He was speaking at something called &#8220;The National Conference for Media Reform&#8221;, date either 2003 or 2008 (couldn&#8217;t read the banner fast enough).</p>
<p>Since 90% or so of the communications industry is already reliable to this admin&#8217;s aims, the &#8216;reform&#8217; subject of the &#8216;national conference can mean only one thing &#8211;that other 10% or so has to be that which &#8220;requires reform&#8221;.</p>
<p>The czars, sez Beck, are the muscle, the exoskeleton, of a &#8220;&#8230;machine being built that is awaiting &#8216;an event&#8217;, which will come, one way or another, and then they will &#8216;turn the machine on&#8217;.</p>
<p>Beck is asking for people to start archiving little-known info on the czars &#8211;as he thinks the web will be getting scrubbed before long.</p>
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		<title>By: Mongoose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mongoose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>can someone set me straight on TWANLOC?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>can someone set me straight on TWANLOC?</p>
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		<title>By: luddy barsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>luddy barsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope you folks have been watching Glenn Beck the last few days --as he goes thru the &#039;czars&#039; one at a time, and looks at their objective records. 

Look, it&#039;s bad --it&#039;s real bad. the czars is where the head reds are --the project managers who overwrote all these magically-appearing 1300 page mock-English boilerplate American-suicide bills.

He&#039;s doing Mark Lloyd now --the &quot;diversity czar&quot; (which is a hide, he&#039;s gonna &#039;do&#039; RTFP) --showing a videotape of the FCC&#039;s sudden new Political Officer. in the film he&#039;s talking, sweating out Hugo Chavez. No, not that HC WILL take over the Venezuelan communications industry --but that he WON&#039;T. 

He&#039;s very explicit --he says it straight --i&#039;m not interpreting, and Lloyd ain&#039;t up to litotes.

And he&#039;s your communications industry czar. He&#039;s as commie as they come, sorry no joke, and he  *is*your*communications*czar.

You&#039;ve got to find a way to see these shows --starting with Monday&#039;s i guess.

If we&#039;re gonna fight these people, Glenn Beck is a suddenly indispensable weapon. see the shows, or read the transcripts if ya can --</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope you folks have been watching Glenn Beck the last few days &#8211;as he goes thru the &#8216;czars&#8217; one at a time, and looks at their objective records. </p>
<p>Look, it&#8217;s bad &#8211;it&#8217;s real bad. the czars is where the head reds are &#8211;the project managers who overwrote all these magically-appearing 1300 page mock-English boilerplate American-suicide bills.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s doing Mark Lloyd now &#8211;the &#8220;diversity czar&#8221; (which is a hide, he&#8217;s gonna &#8216;do&#8217; RTFP) &#8211;showing a videotape of the FCC&#8217;s sudden new Political Officer. in the film he&#8217;s talking, sweating out Hugo Chavez. No, not that HC WILL take over the Venezuelan communications industry &#8211;but that he WON&#8217;T. </p>
<p>He&#8217;s very explicit &#8211;he says it straight &#8211;i&#8217;m not interpreting, and Lloyd ain&#8217;t up to litotes.</p>
<p>And he&#8217;s your communications industry czar. He&#8217;s as commie as they come, sorry no joke, and he  *is*your*communications*czar.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve got to find a way to see these shows &#8211;starting with Monday&#8217;s i guess.</p>
<p>If we&#8217;re gonna fight these people, Glenn Beck is a suddenly indispensable weapon. see the shows, or read the transcripts if ya can &#8211;</p>
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		<title>By: pressingTowardTheMark</title>
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		<dc:creator>pressingTowardTheMark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 20:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#157 Subotai I got there around 1635 so he had just started. I was also in the back - on the left. Felt surrounded by TWANLOC. The big guy who was one of the first commenters was right behind me and the guy who tried to keep commenting at the end was next to me on the right. I thought they were going to lose it, they were so worked up. 

Your comment about promising maybe half a loaf hits home. If our representatives are not going to insist on enforcing the rule of law (especially enforcing the constitution), then we are not being represented and are on our own. I&#039;m thinking that is why more of us are getting involved (tea-party, town-hall) that would ordinarily keep quiet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#157 Subotai I got there around 1635 so he had just started. I was also in the back &#8211; on the left. Felt surrounded by TWANLOC. The big guy who was one of the first commenters was right behind me and the guy who tried to keep commenting at the end was next to me on the right. I thought they were going to lose it, they were so worked up. </p>
<p>Your comment about promising maybe half a loaf hits home. If our representatives are not going to insist on enforcing the rule of law (especially enforcing the constitution), then we are not being represented and are on our own. I&#8217;m thinking that is why more of us are getting involved (tea-party, town-hall) that would ordinarily keep quiet.</p>
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