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		<title>By: trangbang68</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/08/14/when-good-people-turn-bad/#comment-67003</link>
		<dc:creator>trangbang68</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 20:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for welcome homes. I&#039;m grateful for any such although I&#039;ve been home and at peace for many years. My friend&#039;s son was at our church this morning on leave from Afghanistan. I wanted to hug him and tell him we love him and that he&#039;s connected, but he knew that.
Correction: I called Phil Delorenzo Phil Digregorio in my earlier post and wanted to correct that. The hallowed dead deserve that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for welcome homes. I&#8217;m grateful for any such although I&#8217;ve been home and at peace for many years. My friend&#8217;s son was at our church this morning on leave from Afghanistan. I wanted to hug him and tell him we love him and that he&#8217;s connected, but he knew that.<br />
Correction: I called Phil Delorenzo Phil Digregorio in my earlier post and wanted to correct that. The hallowed dead deserve that.</p>
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		<title>By: Al_Batross</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/08/14/when-good-people-turn-bad/#comment-66996</link>
		<dc:creator>Al_Batross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 20:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a wide-ranging and informative discussion this has been !
A bit hard on the chickens, though. 
We should remember that chickens are not that faraway from being dinosaurs, and that our modern chickens originated from the Jungle Fowl of S/SE Asia, whose domestication began at least 5,000 years ago. In all that time, we may have taken the bird out of the jungle, but we have not taken the jungle out of the bird. In the farmyard, the chicken genetic play-book still has the same rules.
Perhaps with selective breeding we could produce a hapless, helpless chicken, stripped of the instinct to scratch and peck, but what use would it be except as miserable battery-farm fodder ?
The “flying head” image has rather stuck in my mind (Madam Guillotine at work ?), but from the chickens&#039; point of view it is just valuable protein...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a wide-ranging and informative discussion this has been !<br />
A bit hard on the chickens, though.<br />
We should remember that chickens are not that faraway from being dinosaurs, and that our modern chickens originated from the Jungle Fowl of S/SE Asia, whose domestication began at least 5,000 years ago. In all that time, we may have taken the bird out of the jungle, but we have not taken the jungle out of the bird. In the farmyard, the chicken genetic play-book still has the same rules.<br />
Perhaps with selective breeding we could produce a hapless, helpless chicken, stripped of the instinct to scratch and peck, but what use would it be except as miserable battery-farm fodder ?<br />
The “flying head” image has rather stuck in my mind (Madam Guillotine at work ?), but from the chickens&#8217; point of view it is just valuable protein&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 19:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Trangbang.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Trangbang.</p>
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		<title>By: herb</title>
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		<dc:creator>herb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 17:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robohobo and others who trade with TJ and WF: Dont take me wrong.  $3Chuck is ok. and if you like your bacon tofu based free range inorganic its fine with me. Im into pig-based bacon. I can tell from here that your head is on straight.  

WF and TJ have just recognized a good chunk of the population will respond to the flattery of their moral vanity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robohobo and others who trade with TJ and WF: Dont take me wrong.  $3Chuck is ok. and if you like your bacon tofu based free range inorganic its fine with me. Im into pig-based bacon. I can tell from here that your head is on straight.  </p>
<p>WF and TJ have just recognized a good chunk of the population will respond to the flattery of their moral vanity.</p>
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		<title>By: herb</title>
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		<dc:creator>herb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 17:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trangbang68
Welcome Home.
been meaning to say that for a while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trangbang68<br />
Welcome Home.<br />
been meaning to say that for a while.</p>
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		<title>By: Oh, bother</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oh, bother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 17:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug @ 85: I thought surely someone other than me remembered that just a few years ago WFM was the Walmart of Crunchy, expanding all over the country, driving lesser stores out of business, and all that. Apparently it still is. *yawn*

Having said that: that&#039;s a pretty good health plan. I haven&#039;t seen a health plan that good in several jobs. Starbucks partners get a pretty good health plan, too. Just sayin&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug @ 85: I thought surely someone other than me remembered that just a few years ago WFM was the Walmart of Crunchy, expanding all over the country, driving lesser stores out of business, and all that. Apparently it still is. *yawn*</p>
<p>Having said that: that&#8217;s a pretty good health plan. I haven&#8217;t seen a health plan that good in several jobs. Starbucks partners get a pretty good health plan, too. Just sayin&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Subotai Bahadur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Subotai Bahadur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 16:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#139 Charles

Re: a low water crop that &lt;em&gt;might&lt;/em&gt; work in Texas drought country.  I have been experimenting with quinoa, which is an Incan staple grain grown at even higher altitudes than here [10,000+ feet] in the Andes.  Extremely high in protein, and complete proteins.  It is a desert type plant [bloody little water down there]. It grows in Colorado and there are small farms of it down by Trinidad [around 6000 feet] according to our extension service.  San Antonio is around 700 feet [and I do love that Riverwalk. There used to be a Cajun restaurant with blackened prime rib to die for.]so I don&#039;t know if it will grow at that altitude.  However, when the local health food store heard that I was going to try to grow it [and we do organic], they offered to buy my crop before it was even planted.  It is a fast germinating [3 days], low water crop and we got [&lt;em&gt;miribile dictu&lt;/em&gt;] 2 1/2 inches of rain days after I planted which wiped it out. This has been our wettest summer in decades.  But I will try again next year.  Have your uncle do a web search on the grain, and see what his county extension office says about it.  It is a possibility.

Another thought for your cousin.  Given the nanny state taxes that have hit and are still coming; it might be worthwhile to try growing an acre of tobacco.  Not for commercial sale, which would involve government regulation; but for &quot;personal use&quot; which is unregulated still.  The barter possibilities are interesting.  I know tobacco grows in Virginia and hte Carolinas.  Not sure if Maryland is suitable for small scale.  He would have access to seed in that area. 

#140 Charles

That&#039;s nasty mushroom country.  I hope you and yours are visiting your country cousins when we receive the inevitable, unopposed gift from Iran, Al Quada, Russia; et.al.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#139 Charles</p>
<p>Re: a low water crop that <em>might</em> work in Texas drought country.  I have been experimenting with quinoa, which is an Incan staple grain grown at even higher altitudes than here [10,000+ feet] in the Andes.  Extremely high in protein, and complete proteins.  It is a desert type plant [bloody little water down there]. It grows in Colorado and there are small farms of it down by Trinidad [around 6000 feet] according to our extension service.  San Antonio is around 700 feet [and I do love that Riverwalk. There used to be a Cajun restaurant with blackened prime rib to die for.]so I don&#8217;t know if it will grow at that altitude.  However, when the local health food store heard that I was going to try to grow it [and we do organic], they offered to buy my crop before it was even planted.  It is a fast germinating [3 days], low water crop and we got [<em>miribile dictu</em>] 2 1/2 inches of rain days after I planted which wiped it out. This has been our wettest summer in decades.  But I will try again next year.  Have your uncle do a web search on the grain, and see what his county extension office says about it.  It is a possibility.</p>
<p>Another thought for your cousin.  Given the nanny state taxes that have hit and are still coming; it might be worthwhile to try growing an acre of tobacco.  Not for commercial sale, which would involve government regulation; but for &#8220;personal use&#8221; which is unregulated still.  The barter possibilities are interesting.  I know tobacco grows in Virginia and hte Carolinas.  Not sure if Maryland is suitable for small scale.  He would have access to seed in that area. </p>
<p>#140 Charles</p>
<p>That&#8217;s nasty mushroom country.  I hope you and yours are visiting your country cousins when we receive the inevitable, unopposed gift from Iran, Al Quada, Russia; et.al.</p>
<p>Subotai Bahadur</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 12:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>137. Lifeofthemind:

The work of William Sloane Coffin at Yale has born fruit. Parasites always are surprised and angered when the host collapses beneath them.
.......
I fear the church I currently attend will die of the same disease that Coffin rendered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>137. Lifeofthemind:</p>
<p>The work of William Sloane Coffin at Yale has born fruit. Parasites always are surprised and angered when the host collapses beneath them.<br />
&#8230;&#8230;.<br />
I fear the church I currently attend will die of the same disease that Coffin rendered.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 12:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>135. Subotai Bahadur:

I wasn&#039;t actually asking on my own behalf. I was asking on behalf of another of my cousins who has five acres in Howard County (Next door to PG county.)

I&#039;ll pass yours and other suggestions on to him.

I live inside the beltway of washington dc on the virginia side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>135. Subotai Bahadur:</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t actually asking on my own behalf. I was asking on behalf of another of my cousins who has five acres in Howard County (Next door to PG county.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll pass yours and other suggestions on to him.</p>
<p>I live inside the beltway of washington dc on the virginia side.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 12:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#124 Charles

That’s way too far out of my climate zone (south Texas) to know about what grows there. Can you grow artichokes there?

133. Tcobb:
I went to my cousin&#039;s wedding reception in San Antonio in early July. Nice evening setting in a downtown hotel. Cool air conditioning. If you cared to step outside it was hot and humid but the little river ran by. I talked to the only texas republican elected official who didn&#039;t vote for George Bush in 2000(because he said the way Bush got better test scores was the same way ann richards did...dumb down the tests.) Afterwards I went out with my uncle to visit a piece of land he uses for an airport with frontage on Guadalupe River near
Seguin. That&#039;s my guess anyhow as I&#039;m not familiar with that area. We passed through miles and miles of burnt up corn fields. A couple seasons of that could just wipe out the farmers--unless someone shows them how to grow something that doesn&#039;t need much water--and isn&#039;t mesquite. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#124 Charles</p>
<p>That’s way too far out of my climate zone (south Texas) to know about what grows there. Can you grow artichokes there?</p>
<p>133. Tcobb:<br />
I went to my cousin&#8217;s wedding reception in San Antonio in early July. Nice evening setting in a downtown hotel. Cool air conditioning. If you cared to step outside it was hot and humid but the little river ran by. I talked to the only texas republican elected official who didn&#8217;t vote for George Bush in 2000(because he said the way Bush got better test scores was the same way ann richards did&#8230;dumb down the tests.) Afterwards I went out with my uncle to visit a piece of land he uses for an airport with frontage on Guadalupe River near<br />
Seguin. That&#8217;s my guess anyhow as I&#8217;m not familiar with that area. We passed through miles and miles of burnt up corn fields. A couple seasons of that could just wipe out the farmers&#8211;unless someone shows them how to grow something that doesn&#8217;t need much water&#8211;and isn&#8217;t mesquite. </p>
<p>Do you know of such a plant?</p>
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