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		<title>By: Tamquam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tamquam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 11:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>52. Lifeofthemind:

Thanks for fixing my math, not enough fingers and toes at that hour.  Feel much better, thanks again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>52. Lifeofthemind:</p>
<p>Thanks for fixing my math, not enough fingers and toes at that hour.  Feel much better, thanks again.</p>
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		<title>By: Lifeofthemind</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/08/06/first-principles-or-principles-at-last/#comment-65795</link>
		<dc:creator>Lifeofthemind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 05:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Tamquam&lt;/b&gt;,
The UK has a population ~61 million plus. The US has a population ~307 million. That makes the UK pop roughly 20% of the American. So you can adjust the rest of your math accordingly. Assume for the sake of argument that about six million jobs, most of which already exist, are under discussion. 

What the nationalization plan would do is remove these workers, who are represented often by SEIU at state supported institutions, from scrutiny by private agents such as insurance companies and HMOs. 

Now don&#039;t you feel better?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Tamquam</b>,<br />
The UK has a population ~61 million plus. The US has a population ~307 million. That makes the UK pop roughly 20% of the American. So you can adjust the rest of your math accordingly. Assume for the sake of argument that about six million jobs, most of which already exist, are under discussion. </p>
<p>What the nationalization plan would do is remove these workers, who are represented often by SEIU at state supported institutions, from scrutiny by private agents such as insurance companies and HMOs. </p>
<p>Now don&#8217;t you feel better?</p>
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		<title>By: Tamquam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tamquam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 04:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just watching Glen Beck interview an English politician and I learned an astonishing fact: the UK&#039;s National Health Service is the third largest employer in the world with 1.2 million employees, most of whom are administrators.  The number one employer is the Red Army and the second is the Indian National Railroad.  The UK, based on my rather hasty research, has approximately 5% the population we have here in the US.  

If the US nationalized health care system were to become as bloated as the one across the pond, we&#039;d have over 23.5 million workers.  Of course, they would all be Federal employees, and members of the SEIU and other similar unions.  Now that is a substantial voting block beholden to the party of the hard left.  With other nationalizations sure to follow, I feel sure that that a captive and beholden constituency can be created to guarantee the Democrats a permanent majority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just watching Glen Beck interview an English politician and I learned an astonishing fact: the UK&#8217;s National Health Service is the third largest employer in the world with 1.2 million employees, most of whom are administrators.  The number one employer is the Red Army and the second is the Indian National Railroad.  The UK, based on my rather hasty research, has approximately 5% the population we have here in the US.  </p>
<p>If the US nationalized health care system were to become as bloated as the one across the pond, we&#8217;d have over 23.5 million workers.  Of course, they would all be Federal employees, and members of the SEIU and other similar unions.  Now that is a substantial voting block beholden to the party of the hard left.  With other nationalizations sure to follow, I feel sure that that a captive and beholden constituency can be created to guarantee the Democrats a permanent majority.</p>
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		<title>By: luddy barsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>luddy barsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 01:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;“The decay of trade and industry was not a cause of Rome’s fall. There was a decline in agriculture and land was withdrawn from cultivation, in some cases on a very large scale, sometimes as a direct result of barbarian invasions. However, the chief cause of the agricultural decline was high taxation on the marginal land, driving it out of cultivation. Taxation was spurred by the huge military budget and was thus ‘indirectly’ the result of the barbarian invasion.”&lt;/i&gt; Arthur Ferrill – The Fall of the Roman Empire: The Military Explanation

(above copied from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.financialsense.com/editorials/quinn/2009/0802.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;)

This admin&#039;s deep target, i do believe, is the US military. It fits with the universe from which it emerged, and it justifies all the financial, cultural, generational, racial, and geographical divisivness &amp; destruction --which actions serendipitously happen to accrue power to its very agents --the destroying gangsters. I could see their overarching general point if America &lt;i&gt;was&lt;/i&gt; Rome --but America is not an exploiter --I really think one must measure by quality of life --farming with a John Deere is a better life than farming without one. As far as the &#039;bad America&#039; bit --the worst thingh we senf forth is porno pop culture --exclusively a thingling of the Left and the organized crime mob which operates inside its political protection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>“The decay of trade and industry was not a cause of Rome’s fall. There was a decline in agriculture and land was withdrawn from cultivation, in some cases on a very large scale, sometimes as a direct result of barbarian invasions. However, the chief cause of the agricultural decline was high taxation on the marginal land, driving it out of cultivation. Taxation was spurred by the huge military budget and was thus ‘indirectly’ the result of the barbarian invasion.”</i> Arthur Ferrill – The Fall of the Roman Empire: The Military Explanation</p>
<p>(above copied from <a href="http://www.financialsense.com/editorials/quinn/2009/0802.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>)</p>
<p>This admin&#8217;s deep target, i do believe, is the US military. It fits with the universe from which it emerged, and it justifies all the financial, cultural, generational, racial, and geographical divisivness &amp; destruction &#8211;which actions serendipitously happen to accrue power to its very agents &#8211;the destroying gangsters. I could see their overarching general point if America <i>was</i> Rome &#8211;but America is not an exploiter &#8211;I really think one must measure by quality of life &#8211;farming with a John Deere is a better life than farming without one. As far as the &#8216;bad America&#8217; bit &#8211;the worst thingh we senf forth is porno pop culture &#8211;exclusively a thingling of the Left and the organized crime mob which operates inside its political protection.</p>
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		<title>By: veracious</title>
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		<dc:creator>veracious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 01:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Much thanks to Doug, Blert and Buddy on recent financial insights.  It is obvious to me that the shell games are beyond most folks and news systems.  Any and all clues, marked as maybes when applicable are treasured.

I liked, the last (free) contraryinvestor: &quot;a generational shift&quot;, even without staking a destination claim.  Over time always from debtor nations to creditors, the wealth, different methods, ends the same.

Ledger is right about USA discount sale.  This is what I&#039;ve talked about.  Oh to be without principles and in the system, the cash to be made.  Middle men; &quot;step right up, what do I hear for the fair county of Fairfax&quot;. 

Finally, USA admin is purposely creating chaos when needed to continue to open new areas for restructuing, ie., wrecking.  Too many middle men in DC, a wrecking crew with heavy security and unaccountable thugs obfuscating  as needed.  All mere tools to blow more holes, add to it foreign policy...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much thanks to Doug, Blert and Buddy on recent financial insights.  It is obvious to me that the shell games are beyond most folks and news systems.  Any and all clues, marked as maybes when applicable are treasured.</p>
<p>I liked, the last (free) contraryinvestor: &#8220;a generational shift&#8221;, even without staking a destination claim.  Over time always from debtor nations to creditors, the wealth, different methods, ends the same.</p>
<p>Ledger is right about USA discount sale.  This is what I&#8217;ve talked about.  Oh to be without principles and in the system, the cash to be made.  Middle men; &#8220;step right up, what do I hear for the fair county of Fairfax&#8221;. </p>
<p>Finally, USA admin is purposely creating chaos when needed to continue to open new areas for restructuing, ie., wrecking.  Too many middle men in DC, a wrecking crew with heavy security and unaccountable thugs obfuscating  as needed.  All mere tools to blow more holes, add to it foreign policy&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mad Fiddler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mad Fiddler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 00:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The authors and spokespersons for the current mandarin class seem like they learned their crafts in some Dickensian crowd of pockpickets, cutpurses, and other folk who decided early on they preferred acquiring wealth &lt;i&gt;after&lt;/i&gt; someone else had done the hard work.

One lesson that came from running a &lt;i&gt;bidness&lt;/i&gt; for a few years: there really are bastards who will work harder to screw you out of a nickel than they will to earn an honest dollar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The authors and spokespersons for the current mandarin class seem like they learned their crafts in some Dickensian crowd of pockpickets, cutpurses, and other folk who decided early on they preferred acquiring wealth <i>after</i> someone else had done the hard work.</p>
<p>One lesson that came from running a <i>bidness</i> for a few years: there really are bastards who will work harder to screw you out of a nickel than they will to earn an honest dollar.</p>
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		<title>By: Mad Fiddler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mad Fiddler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 00:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WRT the incestuous swapping going back and forth in the &quot;securitization markets,&quot; it sounds to this poor uneducated sod like Check-Kiting on a Cosmic Scale</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WRT the incestuous swapping going back and forth in the &#8220;securitization markets,&#8221; it sounds to this poor uneducated sod like Check-Kiting on a Cosmic Scale</p>
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		<title>By: luddy barsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>luddy barsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 22:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>o/t, for the Kremlin file:

http://neveryetmelted.com/2009/08/05/russian-state-security-service-working-with-hezbollah/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>o/t, for the Kremlin file:</p>
<p><a href="http://neveryetmelted.com/2009/08/05/russian-state-security-service-working-with-hezbollah/" rel="nofollow">http://neveryetmelted.com/2009/08/05/russian-state-security-service-working-with-hezbollah/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Robohobo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robohobo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 17:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RCM @ 35:

&lt;blockquote&gt;If what you suggest is true, an explosion at the Town Hall meetings, goaded by the Union &lt;b&gt;“Brown Shirts”&lt;/b&gt; that are now apparently showing up all over the country, should be wisely avoided. Yelling at my TV set is a very safe gesture as my dogs “head for the hills”. So is my calming them down moments later. &lt;b&gt;But such yelling at a Town Hall meeting and drowning out those who came to speak makes for great TV, but may simply be poor tactics.&lt;/b&gt; The Dems tactic is apparently to eschew those chanting as they approach the hall, and the muscle is there to close the door in their faces.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Answers to bolded text:

We must co-opt the Brownshirts for ourselves, the Patriots. As in &quot;Serenity&quot; - Mal Reynolds, &quot;I aim to misbehave.&quot; He went to Mr. Universe and got the message out.

I agree with the 2nd premise. Shouting and chanting will only draw the assassin&#039;s sight picture, as it were. Calm, polite but forceful and pointed questions are the way to go. Come in quietly, sit down and ask to be called upon. &#039;Loyal Citizens&#039; can be heard, if you whisper, it makes them listen harder to interpret what you have asked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RCM @ 35:</p>
<blockquote><p>If what you suggest is true, an explosion at the Town Hall meetings, goaded by the Union <b>“Brown Shirts”</b> that are now apparently showing up all over the country, should be wisely avoided. Yelling at my TV set is a very safe gesture as my dogs “head for the hills”. So is my calming them down moments later. <b>But such yelling at a Town Hall meeting and drowning out those who came to speak makes for great TV, but may simply be poor tactics.</b> The Dems tactic is apparently to eschew those chanting as they approach the hall, and the muscle is there to close the door in their faces.</p></blockquote>
<p>Answers to bolded text:</p>
<p>We must co-opt the Brownshirts for ourselves, the Patriots. As in &#8220;Serenity&#8221; &#8211; Mal Reynolds, &#8220;I aim to misbehave.&#8221; He went to Mr. Universe and got the message out.</p>
<p>I agree with the 2nd premise. Shouting and chanting will only draw the assassin&#8217;s sight picture, as it were. Calm, polite but forceful and pointed questions are the way to go. Come in quietly, sit down and ask to be called upon. &#8216;Loyal Citizens&#8217; can be heard, if you whisper, it makes them listen harder to interpret what you have asked.</p>
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		<title>By: luddy barsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>luddy barsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 17:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>for example, many have long smelled the Russian mob/kremlin being involved with this admin (ever since &quot;oil manipulation 2008&quot; evidence began surfacing) thru the person of avowed Dollar enemy and big-time Dollar short George Soros. So what do we get yesterday --as the tea party phenom threatens to boil over -- but these two items, 1) a major russian oligarch recieves a $100m deal from the Stim program, and (2)the KGB&#039;s hacker army shuts down twitter, and harms several other major net ops,  under the thin cover of a misfired attack on some blogger in Georgia/Caucasus. They hit every social network site except ...NewsCorp&#039;s (Fox)!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for example, many have long smelled the Russian mob/kremlin being involved with this admin (ever since &#8220;oil manipulation 2008&#8243; evidence began surfacing) thru the person of avowed Dollar enemy and big-time Dollar short George Soros. So what do we get yesterday &#8211;as the tea party phenom threatens to boil over &#8212; but these two items, 1) a major russian oligarch recieves a $100m deal from the Stim program, and (2)the KGB&#8217;s hacker army shuts down twitter, and harms several other major net ops,  under the thin cover of a misfired attack on some blogger in Georgia/Caucasus. They hit every social network site except &#8230;NewsCorp&#8217;s (Fox)!</p>
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