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		<title>By: Wretchard Fan for Years</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/07/21/nothing-half-so-melancholy/#comment-63149</link>
		<dc:creator>Wretchard Fan for Years</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 05:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post has really got me thinking.  I agree that there are interesting parallels to Napoleon in Obama.  The Russians bungled everything in 1812, but hubris and providence destroyed Napoleon regardless.  Russia was his great over-reach and he stayed in Moscow with maps of India because he had illusions he was the next Alexander the Great (just as Obama thinks he is the next Lincoln, FDR, gee I&#039;ve lost track which famous person he thinks he is this week)
As Napoleon&#039;s political capital collapsed, the Prussians and much of Europe knew to detach themselves from him as he began his downward spiral in 1813.  In fact, when Napoleon was in Russia, General Malet back in Paris had devised a plot to overthrow Napoleon&#039;s government (hmm maybe Bill and Hillary can figure how to salvage their power in the background)

The other prophetic thing that I see about Waterloo that does make me think DeMint used the correct analogy is that all the cards were in Napoleon&#039;s favor to win this battle.  He figured he had about a 90 percent chance of winning.  However, he lost the battle by having the worse communications that sent D&#039;Erlon running around the field useless (think Pelosi) and Ney was completely unsupported and still fought with amazing bravery. He had no game plan that was clearly explain (think Healthcare) and when it was too late he drove his entire Imperial Guard straight into a trap.  The thanks Marshal Ney got was to have Napoleon blame the whole debacle on Ney (he was thrown under the bus by Napoleon) and so I believe many Democrats will feel the sting of Obama&#039;s narcissistic treachery.  Hopefully, in this &quot;sped up media 24/7 world we live in&quot;, this will all play out and by 2011 he is on the way out defeated by a worthy opponent who will restore American democracy.....
Heaven knows we don&#039;t want a Louis XVIII.

Now, wretchard..... ( or some Napoleonic scholar)  let&#039;s see which speech emerges when Obama confirms the worst of our fears about the economy and his failed bills and then we can call that his 29th Bulletin!!!!!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post has really got me thinking.  I agree that there are interesting parallels to Napoleon in Obama.  The Russians bungled everything in 1812, but hubris and providence destroyed Napoleon regardless.  Russia was his great over-reach and he stayed in Moscow with maps of India because he had illusions he was the next Alexander the Great (just as Obama thinks he is the next Lincoln, FDR, gee I&#8217;ve lost track which famous person he thinks he is this week)<br />
As Napoleon&#8217;s political capital collapsed, the Prussians and much of Europe knew to detach themselves from him as he began his downward spiral in 1813.  In fact, when Napoleon was in Russia, General Malet back in Paris had devised a plot to overthrow Napoleon&#8217;s government (hmm maybe Bill and Hillary can figure how to salvage their power in the background)</p>
<p>The other prophetic thing that I see about Waterloo that does make me think DeMint used the correct analogy is that all the cards were in Napoleon&#8217;s favor to win this battle.  He figured he had about a 90 percent chance of winning.  However, he lost the battle by having the worse communications that sent D&#8217;Erlon running around the field useless (think Pelosi) and Ney was completely unsupported and still fought with amazing bravery. He had no game plan that was clearly explain (think Healthcare) and when it was too late he drove his entire Imperial Guard straight into a trap.  The thanks Marshal Ney got was to have Napoleon blame the whole debacle on Ney (he was thrown under the bus by Napoleon) and so I believe many Democrats will feel the sting of Obama&#8217;s narcissistic treachery.  Hopefully, in this &#8220;sped up media 24/7 world we live in&#8221;, this will all play out and by 2011 he is on the way out defeated by a worthy opponent who will restore American democracy&#8230;..<br />
Heaven knows we don&#8217;t want a Louis XVIII.</p>
<p>Now, wretchard&#8230;.. ( or some Napoleonic scholar)  let&#8217;s see which speech emerges when Obama confirms the worst of our fears about the economy and his failed bills and then we can call that his 29th Bulletin!!!!!)</p>
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		<title>By: buddy larsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>buddy larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 01:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...just be very glad that it was USA and not USSR that had the five-year A-bomb monopoly. (*whew*)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;just be very glad that it was USA and not USSR that had the five-year A-bomb monopoly. (*whew*)</p>
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		<title>By: blert</title>
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		<dc:creator>blert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That B-29 morphed into the TU-4 prototype...

Stalin loved it so much that he built a secret factory city tooled to American dimensions ( vs metric ) to reproduce B-29s.

A TU-4 still sits in front of Russian Air Force HQ.

When coupled with the Fat Man atomic bomb -- thank you Oppenheimer -- every American city could have been Nagasaki II.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That B-29 morphed into the TU-4 prototype&#8230;</p>
<p>Stalin loved it so much that he built a secret factory city tooled to American dimensions ( vs metric ) to reproduce B-29s.</p>
<p>A TU-4 still sits in front of Russian Air Force HQ.</p>
<p>When coupled with the Fat Man atomic bomb &#8212; thank you Oppenheimer &#8212; every American city could have been Nagasaki II.</p>
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		<title>By: tomw</title>
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		<dc:creator>tomw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 19:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>26. buddy larsen:

 Didn&#039;t Stalin kill more Russians than Hitler and his military?
 Russia declared war on Imperial Japan in August, 1945, to get the Kurile Islands, at a time when the defeat was certain.  Nothing like waiting &#039;til the last minute.
 Read the story about the B-29 forced down into Russian territory that was never returned.  Can anyone spell Ilyushin copy?
tomw</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>26. buddy larsen:</p>
<p> Didn&#8217;t Stalin kill more Russians than Hitler and his military?<br />
 Russia declared war on Imperial Japan in August, 1945, to get the Kurile Islands, at a time when the defeat was certain.  Nothing like waiting &#8217;til the last minute.<br />
 Read the story about the B-29 forced down into Russian territory that was never returned.  Can anyone spell Ilyushin copy?<br />
tomw</p>
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		<title>By: buddy larsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>buddy larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 15:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I may comment on #101 later, SJN, but quickly would like to point out the gigantic &#039;cake n&#039; eat it too&#039; straddle in your concluding sentence&#039;s parenthetical. It&#039;s the &#039;appeal to authority&#039; form of logical fallacy, that &quot;there are those&quot; who play down the fact of incidents of Hitlerite local anti-semitic thugs in German-occupied USSR, including Ukraine. By sentence contruction, you imply an ideological intent behind a covering-up that arguably doesn&#039;t even exist. 

For example, if one doesn&#039;t often hear much about the USSR&#039;s WWII pro-Hitlerites from anti-Stalinists, one also doesn&#039;t hear much from pro-Stalinists about the mere-decade-previous Ukrainian Genocide, AKA the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=ie7&amp;rls=com.microsoft:en-US&amp;ie=utf8&amp;oe=utf8&amp;q=Holodomor&amp;rlz=1I7GGLL_en&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Holodomor&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may comment on #101 later, SJN, but quickly would like to point out the gigantic &#8216;cake n&#8217; eat it too&#8217; straddle in your concluding sentence&#8217;s parenthetical. It&#8217;s the &#8216;appeal to authority&#8217; form of logical fallacy, that &#8220;there are those&#8221; who play down the fact of incidents of Hitlerite local anti-semitic thugs in German-occupied USSR, including Ukraine. By sentence contruction, you imply an ideological intent behind a covering-up that arguably doesn&#8217;t even exist. </p>
<p>For example, if one doesn&#8217;t often hear much about the USSR&#8217;s WWII pro-Hitlerites from anti-Stalinists, one also doesn&#8217;t hear much from pro-Stalinists about the mere-decade-previous Ukrainian Genocide, AKA the <a href="http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=ie7&amp;rls=com.microsoft:en-US&amp;ie=utf8&amp;oe=utf8&amp;q=Holodomor&amp;rlz=1I7GGLL_en" rel="nofollow">Holodomor</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: El Jefe Maximo</title>
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		<dc:creator>El Jefe Maximo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 15:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking at Napoleon&#039;s Russian campaign, and comparing it to his other campaigns, it is apparent that the Emperor knew he was in deep trouble long before he reached Moscow...probably he knew it before Smolensk. Napoleon&#039;s inabilty to bring the Russian armies to battle near the frontier was the first check...and his search for a decisive battle drew him in deeper and deeper, until he made his fatal march to Moscow rather than following his initial (correct) inclination to winter in Smolensk.

The Emperor&#039;s handling of Borodino is a powerful indication of Napoleon&#039;s self- awareness that he was in over his head. The Emperor is often censured, (unjustly, I think) for passing up an opportunity to turn the Russian left, a move urged, among others, by Marshal Davout, his best general. However, Napoleon HAD to have a battle: he could not afford the possibility that the Russians (with their more numerous cavalry on better horses) would see the move coming and retreat, or anticipate him and smash his turning column. 

Getting to Senator DeMint&#039;s point, Waterloo is a poor analogy (anyway, it&#039;a a bad one, Leipzig was the decisive battle of those wars, not Waterloo-- Napoleon could have won his wars till Leipzig, but never after). A better Napoleonic analogy is possibly diplomatic -- the disintergration of the French/Russian alliance from Erfurt forward. The Democratic alliance is under stress from two dimensions -- on the line between the Blue Dogs and the Northern Liberals, and between the very rich on the one part, and the Unions and organized poor on the other.

In any case, Senator DeMint would do well to keep his mouth shut when he has these insights, and quietly work the fault lines in the Democratic political coalition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking at Napoleon&#8217;s Russian campaign, and comparing it to his other campaigns, it is apparent that the Emperor knew he was in deep trouble long before he reached Moscow&#8230;probably he knew it before Smolensk. Napoleon&#8217;s inabilty to bring the Russian armies to battle near the frontier was the first check&#8230;and his search for a decisive battle drew him in deeper and deeper, until he made his fatal march to Moscow rather than following his initial (correct) inclination to winter in Smolensk.</p>
<p>The Emperor&#8217;s handling of Borodino is a powerful indication of Napoleon&#8217;s self- awareness that he was in over his head. The Emperor is often censured, (unjustly, I think) for passing up an opportunity to turn the Russian left, a move urged, among others, by Marshal Davout, his best general. However, Napoleon HAD to have a battle: he could not afford the possibility that the Russians (with their more numerous cavalry on better horses) would see the move coming and retreat, or anticipate him and smash his turning column. </p>
<p>Getting to Senator DeMint&#8217;s point, Waterloo is a poor analogy (anyway, it&#8217;a a bad one, Leipzig was the decisive battle of those wars, not Waterloo&#8211; Napoleon could have won his wars till Leipzig, but never after). A better Napoleonic analogy is possibly diplomatic &#8212; the disintergration of the French/Russian alliance from Erfurt forward. The Democratic alliance is under stress from two dimensions &#8212; on the line between the Blue Dogs and the Northern Liberals, and between the very rich on the one part, and the Unions and organized poor on the other.</p>
<p>In any case, Senator DeMint would do well to keep his mouth shut when he has these insights, and quietly work the fault lines in the Democratic political coalition.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve J. Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve J. Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 08:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Hughes rotary drill heads replaced ground pounding; drilling speed went up twenty to thirty times.&quot; This along with the Studebakers may also have been the most underrated factor in terms of Red Army success between 1943-45 (when the war shifted into its mobile phase), since Soviet oil production was very inefficient prior to WWII, even though their engineers theoretical prowess (including an early model of horizontal drilling, now underway most famously in the gas fields of the U.S.) was second to none. I&#039;ve talked to one former Chevron petroleum engineer from Texas, and he told me that most of the techniques used to boost Russian oil production from existing fields after it collapsed in the early Nineties were simply applications of 1940s and 50s era innovations. He would know. He also told me Peak Oil is bunk and that the Russians have only tapped their easiest to reach fields from the Tsarist and Soviet era.
It was not for lack of skill but lack of &quot;rationale&quot; in the Soviet system that these techniques were not applied. Brezhnev could have bankrupted the Arabs after the 1970s Embargo but he was committed to a policy of high oil prices. The Russians are simply still sore that in the Nineties their oligarchs, perhaps in partnership with Soros and other shadowy Western investors who have been playing games in the Soviet Bloc since the 1980s, pumped as much oil as they possibly could and stashed as many billions abroad as they could, resulting in the collapse of the ruble and Russian banking system in 1998. Putin came to power sworn to prevent that from ever happening again, and when Cheney tested his resolve with Khodorkovsky, BAM the oligarch was sent packing. The anti-Russia lobby in Washington hates the current Russian leadership because it has been somewhat effective in reasserting Russia as a force in the world rather than as simply putty in US, EU and Chinese hands (though the latter have been clearly gaining influence in Moscow, to the point that all this talk of Iranian gas being an alternate to Russian gas for Europe is such BS and Washington think tank wishful thinking. The Chinese and Indians will buy it all from Teheran).
 
Anyway, back to WWII. The U.S. was no. 1 in the world in oil production in 1940-1945, the Soviets were no. 2 right behind us. Churchill had a secret plan to bomb Baku and completely destroy the oil production there in case the Germans captured it in 1942. The Caucuses mountains and fierce Soviet resistance stopped them. 

By 1944 the Wehrmacht was a mostly horse drawn army in both the West and the East, regardless of how elite the troops or Panzers were that we faced in the much more compact battlefield of Normandy. The hedgerows made the German forces we were facing look a lot bigger than they were, at least in terms of firepower, they were a force multiplier until we broke out in August 1944. The Germans though were substituting Panzer destroyers, Panzerfausts and 88s for truly mobile tanks. There just weren&#039;t as many of them as in the East. While I cannot speak for the Luftwaffe and Kriegsmarine losses in the Med which were no doubt huge, the actual number of German troops in North Africa was an order of magnitude smaller than what they had deployed in the East in 1942. The numbers may have creeped up with the invasion of Sicily and then the Italian peninsula in 1943. Hitler always seemed to fear the West more than the East even though Soviet logistics were clearly more simple than for the Western Allies who were at the end of a 3,000 mile shipping chain. That&#039;s why I don&#039;t think it&#039;s possible to make an apples to apples comparison between the Western Allies and the Soviets, the latter had no choice and were fighting on their own soil for most of the war. The Boys of Point du Hoc on the other hand didn&#039;t have to go, but volunteered. Still, they died for the same cause, and there is no longer any ideological reason (save for downplaying the role of Baltic and Ukrainian SS volunteers and pogroms in the East to make those nations look better today) to denigrate the sacrifices of either side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Hughes rotary drill heads replaced ground pounding; drilling speed went up twenty to thirty times.&#8221; This along with the Studebakers may also have been the most underrated factor in terms of Red Army success between 1943-45 (when the war shifted into its mobile phase), since Soviet oil production was very inefficient prior to WWII, even though their engineers theoretical prowess (including an early model of horizontal drilling, now underway most famously in the gas fields of the U.S.) was second to none. I&#8217;ve talked to one former Chevron petroleum engineer from Texas, and he told me that most of the techniques used to boost Russian oil production from existing fields after it collapsed in the early Nineties were simply applications of 1940s and 50s era innovations. He would know. He also told me Peak Oil is bunk and that the Russians have only tapped their easiest to reach fields from the Tsarist and Soviet era.<br />
It was not for lack of skill but lack of &#8220;rationale&#8221; in the Soviet system that these techniques were not applied. Brezhnev could have bankrupted the Arabs after the 1970s Embargo but he was committed to a policy of high oil prices. The Russians are simply still sore that in the Nineties their oligarchs, perhaps in partnership with Soros and other shadowy Western investors who have been playing games in the Soviet Bloc since the 1980s, pumped as much oil as they possibly could and stashed as many billions abroad as they could, resulting in the collapse of the ruble and Russian banking system in 1998. Putin came to power sworn to prevent that from ever happening again, and when Cheney tested his resolve with Khodorkovsky, BAM the oligarch was sent packing. The anti-Russia lobby in Washington hates the current Russian leadership because it has been somewhat effective in reasserting Russia as a force in the world rather than as simply putty in US, EU and Chinese hands (though the latter have been clearly gaining influence in Moscow, to the point that all this talk of Iranian gas being an alternate to Russian gas for Europe is such BS and Washington think tank wishful thinking. The Chinese and Indians will buy it all from Teheran).</p>
<p>Anyway, back to WWII. The U.S. was no. 1 in the world in oil production in 1940-1945, the Soviets were no. 2 right behind us. Churchill had a secret plan to bomb Baku and completely destroy the oil production there in case the Germans captured it in 1942. The Caucuses mountains and fierce Soviet resistance stopped them. </p>
<p>By 1944 the Wehrmacht was a mostly horse drawn army in both the West and the East, regardless of how elite the troops or Panzers were that we faced in the much more compact battlefield of Normandy. The hedgerows made the German forces we were facing look a lot bigger than they were, at least in terms of firepower, they were a force multiplier until we broke out in August 1944. The Germans though were substituting Panzer destroyers, Panzerfausts and 88s for truly mobile tanks. There just weren&#8217;t as many of them as in the East. While I cannot speak for the Luftwaffe and Kriegsmarine losses in the Med which were no doubt huge, the actual number of German troops in North Africa was an order of magnitude smaller than what they had deployed in the East in 1942. The numbers may have creeped up with the invasion of Sicily and then the Italian peninsula in 1943. Hitler always seemed to fear the West more than the East even though Soviet logistics were clearly more simple than for the Western Allies who were at the end of a 3,000 mile shipping chain. That&#8217;s why I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s possible to make an apples to apples comparison between the Western Allies and the Soviets, the latter had no choice and were fighting on their own soil for most of the war. The Boys of Point du Hoc on the other hand didn&#8217;t have to go, but volunteered. Still, they died for the same cause, and there is no longer any ideological reason (save for downplaying the role of Baltic and Ukrainian SS volunteers and pogroms in the East to make those nations look better today) to denigrate the sacrifices of either side.</p>
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		<title>By: Batman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Batman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 06:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t that the whole point?  The worse things get the more demand for government action.  Penalize families for their free choices and offer seemingly low cost governmental alternatives.  Once dependent on these the new feudalism starts. 

HD&#039;s DC/PC becomes the new Lords of the Manor and the public (aka plebs; aka serfs) have to pledge their fealty to get benefits with which to survive.  

Once it takes root the New Feudalism will be hard to reverse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t that the whole point?  The worse things get the more demand for government action.  Penalize families for their free choices and offer seemingly low cost governmental alternatives.  Once dependent on these the new feudalism starts. </p>
<p>HD&#8217;s DC/PC becomes the new Lords of the Manor and the public (aka plebs; aka serfs) have to pledge their fealty to get benefits with which to survive.  </p>
<p>Once it takes root the New Feudalism will be hard to reverse.</p>
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		<title>By: RC Power</title>
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		<dc:creator>RC Power</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 04:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HD, The DC PC you describe appears to me to follow the pattern of &quot;Chicago Politics&quot; on a larger scale. While we discuss the overeach potential of Obama and the democrats, let us not forget a crtical political aphorism; Namely, that ALL politics is LOCAL.

Bearing this in mind then two things are obvious about &quot;Health Care Reform&quot; and &quot;Cap and Trade&quot;; both these bills will attack every famiy&#039;s standard of living by ever increasing costs and/or taxes, combined with decreasing quantity and quality of life.

We are in the begining of a cold civil war as evidenced by the Tea Party movement. To defeat the Obama democrats power-play these people must be fought at the local leval by clearly enumerating the dollar costs, and quality losses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HD, The DC PC you describe appears to me to follow the pattern of &#8220;Chicago Politics&#8221; on a larger scale. While we discuss the overeach potential of Obama and the democrats, let us not forget a crtical political aphorism; Namely, that ALL politics is LOCAL.</p>
<p>Bearing this in mind then two things are obvious about &#8220;Health Care Reform&#8221; and &#8220;Cap and Trade&#8221;; both these bills will attack every famiy&#8217;s standard of living by ever increasing costs and/or taxes, combined with decreasing quantity and quality of life.</p>
<p>We are in the begining of a cold civil war as evidenced by the Tea Party movement. To defeat the Obama democrats power-play these people must be fought at the local leval by clearly enumerating the dollar costs, and quality losses.</p>
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		<title>By: buddy larsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>buddy larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 03:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(...good naturedly of course) :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(&#8230;good naturedly of course) <img src='http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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