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		<title>By: Ursus Maritimus</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/07/09/you-first-ok-me-first/#comment-61732</link>
		<dc:creator>Ursus Maritimus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#48 - Putin’s Russia is not the only country that will throw its weight around when it thinks it can.

But funnily enough the US only employ such tactics in non-essential matters, like when Jack Valenti gets his panties in a bunch, or when Bill Gates stubs his toe.

That is because the mohammedan interest organizations like CAIR (an unindicted co-conspirator to gathering money to finance terrorism) and their useful idiots in ACLU and Amnesty et al scream bloody murder when some literally bloodthirsty (eating human hearts counts, right?) barbarian &#039;militant&#039; gets the leg-shackles-and-private-plane treatment.

Internet Pirates does not have anything like that backup, nor does Hackers. EFF has not placed a Congressman in Congress. CAIR has. 

Frustrated civil servants who arn&#039;t allowed to go after what they knows, but are forbidden to even think, are the real threats tend to act out all that frustration on safe targets.

Single un-connected hackers can be hit with 110-percent delta force raids, because nobody will raise a stink about them.

They could probably anally rape them with nightsticks, and Nightline would joke that &quot;I think one like him did that to my computer at home once. Poetic Justice.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#48 &#8211; Putin’s Russia is not the only country that will throw its weight around when it thinks it can.</p>
<p>But funnily enough the US only employ such tactics in non-essential matters, like when Jack Valenti gets his panties in a bunch, or when Bill Gates stubs his toe.</p>
<p>That is because the mohammedan interest organizations like CAIR (an unindicted co-conspirator to gathering money to finance terrorism) and their useful idiots in ACLU and Amnesty et al scream bloody murder when some literally bloodthirsty (eating human hearts counts, right?) barbarian &#8216;militant&#8217; gets the leg-shackles-and-private-plane treatment.</p>
<p>Internet Pirates does not have anything like that backup, nor does Hackers. EFF has not placed a Congressman in Congress. CAIR has. </p>
<p>Frustrated civil servants who arn&#8217;t allowed to go after what they knows, but are forbidden to even think, are the real threats tend to act out all that frustration on safe targets.</p>
<p>Single un-connected hackers can be hit with 110-percent delta force raids, because nobody will raise a stink about them.</p>
<p>They could probably anally rape them with nightsticks, and Nightline would joke that &#8220;I think one like him did that to my computer at home once. Poetic Justice.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i dont think civil wars are inevitable.  i dont understand where this notion comes from, except wishful thinking - which is perverse, since civil wars are comparatively horrendous.  increased government intrusion is reflective partly of practical measures in the face of precipitous financial collapse and partly of the ideological shift towards reflexive, but disguised, Leninism (i.e. &quot;vicious niceness&quot;), but i dont think the conditions exist for civil war outside certain wellknown basketcase countries like Mexico, Pakistan, Lebanon, anything in sub-Saharan Africa, or what have you.  the USA is not on the list.  i know it feels gratifying to talk about it, but i really wish people would stop yammering about civil war and all the ammo they bought and whatever.  we&#039;ve gotta stop the O(bama)DS.  and can&#039;t we get some more WFBuckleys to replace the Hannity and O&#039;Reilly shows?  Do we really believe people will be attracted back to Anglo-Saxon common sense by aggressive semi-tabloid bloviation?  C&#039;mon man, the main axe to kill the Left with is its absolutely pathetic 2-dimensional aesthetic and moral sensibility.  not some cartoon Jesus dolls and a megaphone.  Damn.  if you cant understand that, you&#039;re part of the problem.

and, if you dont understand the maneuvors out over asia, you are also part of the problem, though a lovable &amp; forgivable part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i dont think civil wars are inevitable.  i dont understand where this notion comes from, except wishful thinking &#8211; which is perverse, since civil wars are comparatively horrendous.  increased government intrusion is reflective partly of practical measures in the face of precipitous financial collapse and partly of the ideological shift towards reflexive, but disguised, Leninism (i.e. &#8220;vicious niceness&#8221;), but i dont think the conditions exist for civil war outside certain wellknown basketcase countries like Mexico, Pakistan, Lebanon, anything in sub-Saharan Africa, or what have you.  the USA is not on the list.  i know it feels gratifying to talk about it, but i really wish people would stop yammering about civil war and all the ammo they bought and whatever.  we&#8217;ve gotta stop the O(bama)DS.  and can&#8217;t we get some more WFBuckleys to replace the Hannity and O&#8217;Reilly shows?  Do we really believe people will be attracted back to Anglo-Saxon common sense by aggressive semi-tabloid bloviation?  C&#8217;mon man, the main axe to kill the Left with is its absolutely pathetic 2-dimensional aesthetic and moral sensibility.  not some cartoon Jesus dolls and a megaphone.  Damn.  if you cant understand that, you&#8217;re part of the problem.</p>
<p>and, if you dont understand the maneuvors out over asia, you are also part of the problem, though a lovable &amp; forgivable part.</p>
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		<title>By: Fletcher Christian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fletcher Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#48 - Putin&#039;s Russia is not the only country that will throw its weight around when it thinks it can.

Maybe it doesn&#039;t seem very important to the USA, but recently the spineless govenment of my country (the UK) agreed to an extradition agreement that essentially allows the US authorities to have arrested any UK citizen they frigging well like.

This is being used to cover up the criminal incompetence of those responsible for US military computer security, by dragging across the Atlantic in chains an autistic teenager who has embarrassed them by breaking into numerous computers from a PC in his bedroom.

The US authorities have said something that amounts to &quot;admit it and go quietly and you get three years - make it noisy and you get 60 years hard time.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#48 &#8211; Putin&#8217;s Russia is not the only country that will throw its weight around when it thinks it can.</p>
<p>Maybe it doesn&#8217;t seem very important to the USA, but recently the spineless govenment of my country (the UK) agreed to an extradition agreement that essentially allows the US authorities to have arrested any UK citizen they frigging well like.</p>
<p>This is being used to cover up the criminal incompetence of those responsible for US military computer security, by dragging across the Atlantic in chains an autistic teenager who has embarrassed them by breaking into numerous computers from a PC in his bedroom.</p>
<p>The US authorities have said something that amounts to &#8220;admit it and go quietly and you get three years &#8211; make it noisy and you get 60 years hard time.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ursus Maritimus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ursus Maritimus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Israel is suckered into carrying out an airstrike on Iran.

During the airstrike a Russian suitcase nuke detonates in an unimportant Iranian city close to one of the targets.

Syria, or really Russian troops in Syria, nukes the shit out of Israel, focusing on the Israeli nuclear deterrent.

The picture pushed in the media is that Israel attacked Iran with nuclear weapons and killed tens of millions of Iranians, and &#039;the Arabs&#039; retaliated.

It is framed as Georgia Redux with Nukes: &quot;Don&#039;t go and provoke people who are stronger than you, and don&#039;t come whining when they beat the shit out of you! It&#039;s your own fault for being so stupid!&quot;

The &quot;Poor weak Arabs! Israel is so Strong and so Mean to them!&quot; is forgotten like yesterdays news, the Molotov-Ribentropp pact and the fact that we have Alway Been At War With Eurasia.

The word &#039;Holocaust&#039; is appropriated for the dead Iranians, a few thousand.

Putin calls on the Hotline and points out that Israel is gone, dead is dead, nothing to do about it, world opinion is against you, lets focus on the living, and warns the US against doing anything about it.

Russia puts forward a motion in the UN saying that since Israel is the Agressor, any humanitarian help to Israel should be conditional to Israel not retaliating.

Israeli subs (their only remaining second-strike capability) retaliates, but lack the missile range (200km) to hit more than symbolic targets like Iranian naval bases.

Driven by the &#039;divest from Israel&#039; and &#039;Academic boycott&#039; movements the &#039;Putin doctrine&#039; starts being applied by private individuals against individual Jews all over the world: Prove that you are against what Israel did, or I will refuse to employ you/treat your disease/sell you food/whatever.

Putin goes around the world pointing out privately that he can nuke the shit out of them anytime he feels like it and that 1) An alliance with the US wont save you and 2) Not even your own nuclear force will deter him!

So you better ask &quot;How High? Sir!&quot;, when he asks you to push a Russian dissident off a roof.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Israel is suckered into carrying out an airstrike on Iran.</p>
<p>During the airstrike a Russian suitcase nuke detonates in an unimportant Iranian city close to one of the targets.</p>
<p>Syria, or really Russian troops in Syria, nukes the shit out of Israel, focusing on the Israeli nuclear deterrent.</p>
<p>The picture pushed in the media is that Israel attacked Iran with nuclear weapons and killed tens of millions of Iranians, and &#8216;the Arabs&#8217; retaliated.</p>
<p>It is framed as Georgia Redux with Nukes: &#8220;Don&#8217;t go and provoke people who are stronger than you, and don&#8217;t come whining when they beat the shit out of you! It&#8217;s your own fault for being so stupid!&#8221;</p>
<p>The &#8220;Poor weak Arabs! Israel is so Strong and so Mean to them!&#8221; is forgotten like yesterdays news, the Molotov-Ribentropp pact and the fact that we have Alway Been At War With Eurasia.</p>
<p>The word &#8216;Holocaust&#8217; is appropriated for the dead Iranians, a few thousand.</p>
<p>Putin calls on the Hotline and points out that Israel is gone, dead is dead, nothing to do about it, world opinion is against you, lets focus on the living, and warns the US against doing anything about it.</p>
<p>Russia puts forward a motion in the UN saying that since Israel is the Agressor, any humanitarian help to Israel should be conditional to Israel not retaliating.</p>
<p>Israeli subs (their only remaining second-strike capability) retaliates, but lack the missile range (200km) to hit more than symbolic targets like Iranian naval bases.</p>
<p>Driven by the &#8216;divest from Israel&#8217; and &#8216;Academic boycott&#8217; movements the &#8216;Putin doctrine&#8217; starts being applied by private individuals against individual Jews all over the world: Prove that you are against what Israel did, or I will refuse to employ you/treat your disease/sell you food/whatever.</p>
<p>Putin goes around the world pointing out privately that he can nuke the shit out of them anytime he feels like it and that 1) An alliance with the US wont save you and 2) Not even your own nuclear force will deter him!</p>
<p>So you better ask &#8220;How High? Sir!&#8221;, when he asks you to push a Russian dissident off a roof.</p>
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		<title>By: blert</title>
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		<dc:creator>blert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 02:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those are called resets: hence the Rodham button.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those are called resets: hence the Rodham button.</p>
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		<title>By: Kinuachdrach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kinuachdrach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 18:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;“war is inevitable.”&lt;/i&gt;

No -- civil wars are inevitable.  The real disputes these days are within countries, not between them.  And the combination of ever more intrusive government with ever larger government debts must lead sooner or later to governmental breakdowns, which could very quickly become hot conflicts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>“war is inevitable.”</i></p>
<p>No &#8212; civil wars are inevitable.  The real disputes these days are within countries, not between them.  And the combination of ever more intrusive government with ever larger government debts must lead sooner or later to governmental breakdowns, which could very quickly become hot conflicts.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 17:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe it&#039;s just that history only lasts for ten years these days. Y&#039;know, like the way all the Clinton policies and UN Security Council sanctions on Iraq during the &#039;90&#039;s became Bush Lies after 9/11.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it&#8217;s just that history only lasts for ten years these days. Y&#8217;know, like the way all the Clinton policies and UN Security Council sanctions on Iraq during the &#8217;90&#8242;s became Bush Lies after 9/11.</p>
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		<title>By: Gaffe Prices</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gaffe Prices</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wasn&#039;t the above treaty btwn President Bush and Vlad Putin &lt;i&gt;ratified&lt;/i&gt; by the senate?

And if so, are we to presume that 0nabahamas *new* treaty will be &lt;strike&gt;rubber stamped&lt;/strike&gt; a done deal because the congress is in democrat majority?

In 2002, Putin was in a weaker position: now he&#039;s got western Europe dependent on his supply of energy, and the other hand on the dispensing lever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wasn&#8217;t the above treaty btwn President Bush and Vlad Putin <i>ratified</i> by the senate?</p>
<p>And if so, are we to presume that 0nabahamas *new* treaty will be <strike>rubber stamped</strike> a done deal because the congress is in democrat majority?</p>
<p>In 2002, Putin was in a weaker position: now he&#8217;s got western Europe dependent on his supply of energy, and the other hand on the dispensing lever.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about this line from the Daily Mail?

&lt;i&gt;Mr Obama’s proposal brings to an end eight years of U.S. resistance to new arms treaties. …&lt;/i&gt;

Here&#039;s Spacewar, May 24, 2002: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Bush__Putin_Sign_Nuclear_Arms_Treaty.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bush, Putin Sign Nuclear Arms Treaty&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;i&gt;Moscow (AFP) May 24, 2002
US President George W. Bush and Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a landmark nuclear disarmament treaty on Friday and hailed a new era in relations that the US leader said would lead to &quot;incredible cooperation.&quot;
The treaty, the first strategic arms reduction pact in nearly 10 years, obliges the United States and Russia to slash their nuclear arsenals by two-thirds to between 1,700 and 2,200 warheads over the next decade, bringing them down to their lowest level ever.

Bush told his Russian host that the historic accord proved &quot;that we are friends, that we are going to cast aside old doubts, old suspicions and welcome a new era in relations between your great country and our country.&quot;

&quot;I am confident that this sets the stage for incredible cooperation that we&#039;ve never had before between our two countries,&quot; Bush said after the two leaders signed the Strategic Offensive Reductions Treaty in the Kremlin&#039;s ornate Andreyvsky Hall.

The nuclear arms treaty and a separate strategic partnership accord signed along with a series of other cooperation accords underscored the new relationswhip between the former Cold War rivals in the wake of the September 11 attacks.

&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about this line from the Daily Mail?</p>
<p><i>Mr Obama’s proposal brings to an end eight years of U.S. resistance to new arms treaties. …</i></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s Spacewar, May 24, 2002: <a href="http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Bush__Putin_Sign_Nuclear_Arms_Treaty.html" rel="nofollow">Bush, Putin Sign Nuclear Arms Treaty</a></p>
<p><i>Moscow (AFP) May 24, 2002<br />
US President George W. Bush and Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a landmark nuclear disarmament treaty on Friday and hailed a new era in relations that the US leader said would lead to &#8220;incredible cooperation.&#8221;<br />
The treaty, the first strategic arms reduction pact in nearly 10 years, obliges the United States and Russia to slash their nuclear arsenals by two-thirds to between 1,700 and 2,200 warheads over the next decade, bringing them down to their lowest level ever.</p>
<p>Bush told his Russian host that the historic accord proved &#8220;that we are friends, that we are going to cast aside old doubts, old suspicions and welcome a new era in relations between your great country and our country.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;I am confident that this sets the stage for incredible cooperation that we&#8217;ve never had before between our two countries,&#8221; Bush said after the two leaders signed the Strategic Offensive Reductions Treaty in the Kremlin&#8217;s ornate Andreyvsky Hall.</p>
<p>The nuclear arms treaty and a separate strategic partnership accord signed along with a series of other cooperation accords underscored the new relationswhip between the former Cold War rivals in the wake of the September 11 attacks.</p>
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		<title>By: buddy larsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>buddy larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 13:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The excellent way he treated the defeated enemy, from  Lee at Appomattox on down to the general amnesty (&#039;just let your soldiers go home&#039;), and his disdain for the DC Radicals with their nooses, will live forever in the national story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The excellent way he treated the defeated enemy, from  Lee at Appomattox on down to the general amnesty (&#8216;just let your soldiers go home&#8217;), and his disdain for the DC Radicals with their nooses, will live forever in the national story.</p>
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