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		<title>By: Cowboy</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/06/28/will-chavez-intervene-in-honduras/#comment-59404</link>
		<dc:creator>Cowboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 04:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama has doubled down on his support for Zelaya, with new statements of support from the White House and from Hillary Clinton. Additionally, Zelaya was in New York to meet with the United Nations. He&#039;s stopped by Washington, DC on his way back to Central America. 

Bogota has begun to weigh in by insinuating that the Zelaya&#039;s Honduras had a comfortable relationship with drug smugglers and has served as a staging ground for moving cocaine from South American north into the United States, a network most troubling for its numerous cargo flights to Honduras from Venezuela.

Noting Mr. Uribe over in Colombia, a man who has truly enjoyed spectacular success in the perennially troubled country, I can&#039;t believe the American left is so quick to feed him the back of their hand while at the same time they warm to the likes of Chavez and Zelaya so openly. 

I&#039;d add that Mr. Uribe is a democratically elected president who is serving within the statues laid down by the Colombian Constitution. But I get the sense that should something happen to him, should he face a coup, this current White House would be excited by the prospects such an event would offer them. Don&#039;t you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama has doubled down on his support for Zelaya, with new statements of support from the White House and from Hillary Clinton. Additionally, Zelaya was in New York to meet with the United Nations. He&#8217;s stopped by Washington, DC on his way back to Central America. </p>
<p>Bogota has begun to weigh in by insinuating that the Zelaya&#8217;s Honduras had a comfortable relationship with drug smugglers and has served as a staging ground for moving cocaine from South American north into the United States, a network most troubling for its numerous cargo flights to Honduras from Venezuela.</p>
<p>Noting Mr. Uribe over in Colombia, a man who has truly enjoyed spectacular success in the perennially troubled country, I can&#8217;t believe the American left is so quick to feed him the back of their hand while at the same time they warm to the likes of Chavez and Zelaya so openly. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d add that Mr. Uribe is a democratically elected president who is serving within the statues laid down by the Colombian Constitution. But I get the sense that should something happen to him, should he face a coup, this current White House would be excited by the prospects such an event would offer them. Don&#8217;t you?</p>
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		<title>By: Robohobo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robohobo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 04:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roderick - As more of the story and back story came out, The Won did indeed vote present and maybe a touch more. It seems he is making a small concession to his fellow Leftists Chavez, Morales and Ortega.

Like someone said above, the odds that some Leftist&#039;s military could be on the streets of Tegucigalpa.

Subotai: &quot;...one has to wonder what Buraq thinks of the limitations of Article XXII of our Constitution.&quot;

I do believe we have seen the last Presidential election this republic will ever see. We may have the midterms next year but after that I would be very surprised to see the 2012 nationals happen. I would like to be proven wrong, but....  I keep asking what is the vehicle for the declaration of martial law and the abandonment of the Constitution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roderick &#8211; As more of the story and back story came out, The Won did indeed vote present and maybe a touch more. It seems he is making a small concession to his fellow Leftists Chavez, Morales and Ortega.</p>
<p>Like someone said above, the odds that some Leftist&#8217;s military could be on the streets of Tegucigalpa.</p>
<p>Subotai: &#8220;&#8230;one has to wonder what Buraq thinks of the limitations of Article XXII of our Constitution.&#8221;</p>
<p>I do believe we have seen the last Presidential election this republic will ever see. We may have the midterms next year but after that I would be very surprised to see the 2012 nationals happen. I would like to be proven wrong, but&#8230;.  I keep asking what is the vehicle for the declaration of martial law and the abandonment of the Constitution.</p>
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		<title>By: Roderick Reilly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roderick Reilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;“Any existing tensions and disputes must be resolved peacefully through dialogue free from any outside interference,” he said.

Can someone interpret for me? That does not seem to really say anything. Is he voting ‘present’ again?&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;

Yes, he is voting present. What he said above is what the Honduran military, supreme court, and legislature did. To the best of my knowledge, the Honduran army didn&#039;t fire a shot; I call the peaceful. But by wording it like he did, he can sound -- to a certain constituency -- like he&#039;s protesting what went on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8221;"&#8221;"“Any existing tensions and disputes must be resolved peacefully through dialogue free from any outside interference,” he said.</p>
<p>Can someone interpret for me? That does not seem to really say anything. Is he voting ‘present’ again?&#8221;"&#8221;"&#8221;"</p>
<p>Yes, he is voting present. What he said above is what the Honduran military, supreme court, and legislature did. To the best of my knowledge, the Honduran army didn&#8217;t fire a shot; I call the peaceful. But by wording it like he did, he can sound &#8212; to a certain constituency &#8212; like he&#8217;s protesting what went on.</p>
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		<title>By: Roderick Reilly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roderick Reilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously, what are the lefties in Honduras so worked up about? It&#039;s not like Chile and Pinochet, where they were getting imprisoned, tortured, and killed left and right. Allende and his bunch should have been so lucky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously, what are the lefties in Honduras so worked up about? It&#8217;s not like Chile and Pinochet, where they were getting imprisoned, tortured, and killed left and right. Allende and his bunch should have been so lucky.</p>
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		<title>By: Roderick Reilly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roderick Reilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;What’s with the swipe a Jackson? If it wasn’t for him we’d be sipping tea and counting our Euros. 

If only his victory over the central bank had been permanent we might not now be circling the drain in a deflationary meltdown.&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;

Uh, George: Jackson&#039;s monetary policies led to the Panic of 1837. His defiance of the Supreme Court on the Cherokee land rights case would not have meant a thwarting of white American expansion, since it would have been business as usual with most other tribes, especially west of the Mississippi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8221;"&#8221;"&#8221;What’s with the swipe a Jackson? If it wasn’t for him we’d be sipping tea and counting our Euros. </p>
<p>If only his victory over the central bank had been permanent we might not now be circling the drain in a deflationary meltdown.&#8221;"&#8221;"&#8221;"&#8221;</p>
<p>Uh, George: Jackson&#8217;s monetary policies led to the Panic of 1837. His defiance of the Supreme Court on the Cherokee land rights case would not have meant a thwarting of white American expansion, since it would have been business as usual with most other tribes, especially west of the Mississippi.</p>
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		<title>By: Subotai Bahadur</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/06/28/will-chavez-intervene-in-honduras/#comment-59124</link>
		<dc:creator>Subotai Bahadur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In #12 above, I mentioned the limited possibility that we would see US troops on the streets of Tegucigalpa, Honduras enforcing the re-installation of Manuel Zelaya as president for life and suppressing the Honduran Congress, Supreme Court, and Constitution.  Buraq Hussein Obama has just declared the removal of Zelaya by those three as being &quot;illegal&quot; and a &quot;coup&quot;.  The odds of those US troops being there doing that just went up.  

And given that Zelaya tried to illegally and unconstitutionally extend his term in violation of their Constitution, and noting that Articles 236-239 inclusive of the Honduran Constitution set the presidential term of office AND specifically state that any Honduran government official who attempts to change those provisions unconstitutionally is immediately removed from office and barred from any government functions for 10 years; one has to wonder what Buraq thinks of the limitations of Article XXII of our Constitution.

Subotai Bahadur</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In #12 above, I mentioned the limited possibility that we would see US troops on the streets of Tegucigalpa, Honduras enforcing the re-installation of Manuel Zelaya as president for life and suppressing the Honduran Congress, Supreme Court, and Constitution.  Buraq Hussein Obama has just declared the removal of Zelaya by those three as being &#8220;illegal&#8221; and a &#8220;coup&#8221;.  The odds of those US troops being there doing that just went up.  </p>
<p>And given that Zelaya tried to illegally and unconstitutionally extend his term in violation of their Constitution, and noting that Articles 236-239 inclusive of the Honduran Constitution set the presidential term of office AND specifically state that any Honduran government official who attempts to change those provisions unconstitutionally is immediately removed from office and barred from any government functions for 10 years; one has to wonder what Buraq thinks of the limitations of Article XXII of our Constitution.</p>
<p>Subotai Bahadur</p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think chavez is referring to ideological, and economic subversion, not military intervention.  honduras is a tiny state on the border of leftist outposts; venezuela is in alliance with castro, putin, morales, etc.  stalin demonstrated how to retain the apparent moral high ground yet manage to install a government opposed to the requirements of morality.  presumably chavez, who has used his own country as a laboratory, has learned how to export these same tactics to a country like honduras.  it may not occur this month, but - like ortega - chavez &amp; co. will not give up until the russian fleet can dock at will and on friendly terms in the honduran port and honduran banks can be used as readily for laundering drug and coruption money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think chavez is referring to ideological, and economic subversion, not military intervention.  honduras is a tiny state on the border of leftist outposts; venezuela is in alliance with castro, putin, morales, etc.  stalin demonstrated how to retain the apparent moral high ground yet manage to install a government opposed to the requirements of morality.  presumably chavez, who has used his own country as a laboratory, has learned how to export these same tactics to a country like honduras.  it may not occur this month, but &#8211; like ortega &#8211; chavez &amp; co. will not give up until the russian fleet can dock at will and on friendly terms in the honduran port and honduran banks can be used as readily for laundering drug and coruption money.</p>
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		<title>By: Cmblake6&#8217;s Weblog</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 2009 June 29    by cmblake6   The one where the President (Zelaya) decides to become pResident against the Constitutional term lim... [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 2009 June 29    by cmblake6   The one where the President (Zelaya) decides to become pResident against the Constitutional term lim&#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: santos</title>
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		<dc:creator>santos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 07:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The people of honduras don&#039;t want hugo chaves help, nor they want the president to be re-elected. let&#039;s do what the constitution says. Hugo Chaves it&#039;s not welcome in honduras. Have him fix his own country first. The hondruans are in peace and don&#039;t need Hugo Chaves threats to go to war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The people of honduras don&#8217;t want hugo chaves help, nor they want the president to be re-elected. let&#8217;s do what the constitution says. Hugo Chaves it&#8217;s not welcome in honduras. Have him fix his own country first. The hondruans are in peace and don&#8217;t need Hugo Chaves threats to go to war.</p>
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		<title>By: Robohobo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robohobo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 05:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, the Pantywaist pResident came out in support of the Leftist thug? No surprise there. Reference Justice letting the New Black Panthers in Philly off the hook for voter intimidation. &quot;Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.&quot;

The invaders can go into Honduras through the port at La Union and have a short, straight shot to Tegucigalpa. There are lots of roads via the Nicaragua/Honduras border that are not too bad. The terrain is tough but not that bad for a modern army.

I was thinking between posts about what is going on. We have Russia in Venezuela building navy bases. A communist in Nicaragua (I do not care if he is &#039;reformed&#039;, that just means he is lying). Where is El Salvador these days? They were a problem but I am not up on them or their political landscape these days. We have a Transnationalist or perhaps straight Communist in the WH. The NorK&#039;s making messes in the China Sea. Iranians being, well, nutters, as usual. Seems to me that someone is brewing up something, I am not sure what, to perhaps draw the US into a conflict that The 0bamanation can &#039;lose&#039; to show us the error of our ways and open us up to martial law. Something just smells bad and it ain&#039;t me.

Money quote from The Won:

&quot;As the Organization of American States did on Friday, I call on all political and social actors in Honduras to respect democratic norms, the rule of law and the tenets of the Inter-American Democratic Charter,&quot; Obama said in a statement.

&quot;Any existing tensions and disputes must be resolved peacefully through dialogue free from any outside interference,&quot; he said.

Can someone interpret for me? That does not seem to really say anything. Is he voting &#039;present&#039; again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, the Pantywaist pResident came out in support of the Leftist thug? No surprise there. Reference Justice letting the New Black Panthers in Philly off the hook for voter intimidation. &#8220;Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.&#8221;</p>
<p>The invaders can go into Honduras through the port at La Union and have a short, straight shot to Tegucigalpa. There are lots of roads via the Nicaragua/Honduras border that are not too bad. The terrain is tough but not that bad for a modern army.</p>
<p>I was thinking between posts about what is going on. We have Russia in Venezuela building navy bases. A communist in Nicaragua (I do not care if he is &#8216;reformed&#8217;, that just means he is lying). Where is El Salvador these days? They were a problem but I am not up on them or their political landscape these days. We have a Transnationalist or perhaps straight Communist in the WH. The NorK&#8217;s making messes in the China Sea. Iranians being, well, nutters, as usual. Seems to me that someone is brewing up something, I am not sure what, to perhaps draw the US into a conflict that The 0bamanation can &#8216;lose&#8217; to show us the error of our ways and open us up to martial law. Something just smells bad and it ain&#8217;t me.</p>
<p>Money quote from The Won:</p>
<p>&#8220;As the Organization of American States did on Friday, I call on all political and social actors in Honduras to respect democratic norms, the rule of law and the tenets of the Inter-American Democratic Charter,&#8221; Obama said in a statement.</p>
<p>&#8220;Any existing tensions and disputes must be resolved peacefully through dialogue free from any outside interference,&#8221; he said.</p>
<p>Can someone interpret for me? That does not seem to really say anything. Is he voting &#8216;present&#8217; again?</p>
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