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		<title>By: Steynian 366 &#171; Free Canuckistan!</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/06/20/pulled-across-the-rubicon/#comment-58100</link>
		<dc:creator>Steynian 366 &#171; Free Canuckistan!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 23:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] DRAGGED ACROSS A RUBICON&#8211; &#8220;Fox News reports that President Obama has finally called on the Iranian government to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] DRAGGED ACROSS A RUBICON&#8211; &#8220;Fox News reports that President Obama has finally called on the Iranian government to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Stones Cry Out - If they keep silent&#8230; &#187; Things Heard: e73v1</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/06/20/pulled-across-the-rubicon/#comment-58065</link>
		<dc:creator>Stones Cry Out - If they keep silent&#8230; &#187; Things Heard: e73v1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] All &#8220;neo-cons&#8221;, whatever a neo-con is &#8230; on that I have no clear notion. The significant holdout waffles. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] All &#8220;neo-cons&#8221;, whatever a neo-con is &#8230; on that I have no clear notion. The significant holdout waffles. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pseudo-Polymath &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Monday Highlights</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/06/20/pulled-across-the-rubicon/#comment-58063</link>
		<dc:creator>Pseudo-Polymath &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Monday Highlights</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] All &#8220;neo-cons&#8221;, whatever a neo-con is &#8230; on that I have no clear notion. The significant holdout waffles. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] All &#8220;neo-cons&#8221;, whatever a neo-con is &#8230; on that I have no clear notion. The significant holdout waffles. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: NahnCee</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/06/20/pulled-across-the-rubicon/#comment-58041</link>
		<dc:creator>NahnCee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 05:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not convinced that in overthrowing the mullahs, the Persians at the same time will give up their Jew-hatred and/or their nuclear aspirations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not convinced that in overthrowing the mullahs, the Persians at the same time will give up their Jew-hatred and/or their nuclear aspirations.</p>
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		<title>By: buckets</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/06/20/pulled-across-the-rubicon/#comment-58029</link>
		<dc:creator>buckets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 03:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>303 @ 26,

Agreed, many of the opposition probably have played large roles in Iranian events in the last decade - nuke development, Hez and Hamas, killing Americans in Iraq, etc.

But the enemy of my enemy is my friend; and at some point, we must be able to turn former enemies into allies. See the U.S. Civil War and Iraq&#039;s Sunni insurgents.  

Any crack in the dam of &quot;Death to America&quot; and &quot;Wipe Israel off the map&quot; has to be welcomed, though perhaps with semi-open arms. History is replete with men of ill repute who were able to change their spots in the midst of crisis (see Han Solo in Star Wars). Mousavi has defied Khameini; just for that, I&#039;ll give the bastard the benefit of the doubt for a while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>303 @ 26,</p>
<p>Agreed, many of the opposition probably have played large roles in Iranian events in the last decade &#8211; nuke development, Hez and Hamas, killing Americans in Iraq, etc.</p>
<p>But the enemy of my enemy is my friend; and at some point, we must be able to turn former enemies into allies. See the U.S. Civil War and Iraq&#8217;s Sunni insurgents.  </p>
<p>Any crack in the dam of &#8220;Death to America&#8221; and &#8220;Wipe Israel off the map&#8221; has to be welcomed, though perhaps with semi-open arms. History is replete with men of ill repute who were able to change their spots in the midst of crisis (see Han Solo in Star Wars). Mousavi has defied Khameini; just for that, I&#8217;ll give the bastard the benefit of the doubt for a while.</p>
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		<title>By: Mad Fiddler</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/06/20/pulled-across-the-rubicon/#comment-57975</link>
		<dc:creator>Mad Fiddler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is of course insane to criticize an elected representative for honoring the religion he has chosen as he takes on the responsibilities of his office. But it is not insane to expect that representative, once having sworn to uphold the Constitution and do his office for the people that he represents, to damn well show where he stands and not just vote present like other cowardly pukes we might mention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is of course insane to criticize an elected representative for honoring the religion he has chosen as he takes on the responsibilities of his office. But it is not insane to expect that representative, once having sworn to uphold the Constitution and do his office for the people that he represents, to damn well show where he stands and not just vote present like other cowardly pukes we might mention.</p>
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		<title>By: NahnCee</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/06/20/pulled-across-the-rubicon/#comment-57970</link>
		<dc:creator>NahnCee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 18:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Iranian citizens need arms.&quot;

* * *

IF the thugs are using axes, sticks and knives, surely Iranian citizens also have access to those things.  And there has to be  hell of a lot more pissed-off citizens than there are thugs.  

(The equation of the Holocaust that is always mind-blowing is 6 million dead Jews, killed off by how many hundred Nazi&#039;s.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Iranian citizens need arms.&#8221;</p>
<p>* * *</p>
<p>IF the thugs are using axes, sticks and knives, surely Iranian citizens also have access to those things.  And there has to be  hell of a lot more pissed-off citizens than there are thugs.  </p>
<p>(The equation of the Holocaust that is always mind-blowing is 6 million dead Jews, killed off by how many hundred Nazi&#8217;s.)</p>
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		<title>By: Boghie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boghie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am rather worried…

President Obama is learning his high school history lessons while President of the United States of America.

He is ignorant of reality, and thus frozen in time and space.  He is ignorant of accepted history, thus he has no scholarship to base moves upon.  His history is a history created by fad and desires.  

The difference between stupid and ignorance is that stupid means you do not know the topic, admit it. and hopefully rectify it;  ignorance means that you think you are well informed and move on your stupidity like a bull in a china shop.

Regardless, Iran is a test of Theocracy, it is also a test for Obama.  

I don’t think he studied for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am rather worried…</p>
<p>President Obama is learning his high school history lessons while President of the United States of America.</p>
<p>He is ignorant of reality, and thus frozen in time and space.  He is ignorant of accepted history, thus he has no scholarship to base moves upon.  His history is a history created by fad and desires.  </p>
<p>The difference between stupid and ignorance is that stupid means you do not know the topic, admit it. and hopefully rectify it;  ignorance means that you think you are well informed and move on your stupidity like a bull in a china shop.</p>
<p>Regardless, Iran is a test of Theocracy, it is also a test for Obama.  </p>
<p>I don’t think he studied for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry 0351</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry 0351</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 11:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iranian citizens need arms. Obama gives them words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iranian citizens need arms. Obama gives them words.</p>
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		<title>By: Mongoose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mongoose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 05:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J. Irons. Actually I do think he is stupid, at least in the highest sense of how we talk about mind, but he has the instinct and acumen of the severe narcissist.

And he does not go for the ultimate winning side, he will choose factions that will buy into his narcissism and give him the adulation he craves, his only scruples are to weigh  the gullibility against the power of the faction he might sides with at any moment. He would be trying to seduce his own destroyer has he rounded on him.

Wretchard, to me you constantly appear not to to take the full measure of Obama.

Has it ever occurred to you that he is on the payroll of these monsters who you fear are getting the wrong message? Barring that, are you  sure that this is  not just the message he wants to send?

Obama means to have the end of us, one way or another.

We have placed a insane viper of a man over us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J. Irons. Actually I do think he is stupid, at least in the highest sense of how we talk about mind, but he has the instinct and acumen of the severe narcissist.</p>
<p>And he does not go for the ultimate winning side, he will choose factions that will buy into his narcissism and give him the adulation he craves, his only scruples are to weigh  the gullibility against the power of the faction he might sides with at any moment. He would be trying to seduce his own destroyer has he rounded on him.</p>
<p>Wretchard, to me you constantly appear not to to take the full measure of Obama.</p>
<p>Has it ever occurred to you that he is on the payroll of these monsters who you fear are getting the wrong message? Barring that, are you  sure that this is  not just the message he wants to send?</p>
<p>Obama means to have the end of us, one way or another.</p>
<p>We have placed a insane viper of a man over us.</p>
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