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		<title>By: buddy larsen</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/06/14/time-after-time/#comment-57216</link>
		<dc:creator>buddy larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sylvia/45; re your last para, this great (from 2003) film, &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Sand_and_Fog&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;House of Sand and Fog&lt;/a&gt; is about precisely those people.  

i note that their ultimate betrayer, one Jimmy Carter, said yesterday in Gaza that the Gazans are being &quot;treated like animals&quot;. 

Of course there&#039;s the outside chance that he was accusing Hamas and not da Jooos (and the Americans who care more about people receiving rather than firing ten thousand kassams), but we probably already really understand that he&#039;s attempting to replicate what he did to the Shah, only to da Jooos this time. 

The Long March of the Man from the Habitat for Humanity. 

Hopefully his latest roof will collapse too, only not like before, on the heads of the humanity units sitting at the breakfast table in the habitat below.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sylvia/45; re your last para, this great (from 2003) film, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Sand_and_Fog" rel="nofollow">House of Sand and Fog</a> is about precisely those people.  </p>
<p>i note that their ultimate betrayer, one Jimmy Carter, said yesterday in Gaza that the Gazans are being &#8220;treated like animals&#8221;. </p>
<p>Of course there&#8217;s the outside chance that he was accusing Hamas and not da Jooos (and the Americans who care more about people receiving rather than firing ten thousand kassams), but we probably already really understand that he&#8217;s attempting to replicate what he did to the Shah, only to da Jooos this time. </p>
<p>The Long March of the Man from the Habitat for Humanity. </p>
<p>Hopefully his latest roof will collapse too, only not like before, on the heads of the humanity units sitting at the breakfast table in the habitat below.</p>
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		<title>By: buddy larsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>buddy larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 13:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i kinda agree with Winslow @ 43. 

i say &#039;kinda&#039; because there&#039;s still a chance --i mean in my own evidence room --an outside chance that O is more rather than less the man wit da plan. IOW, the Sorosian Syndicate, or SS as i shorthand it, may have to ask for, rather than demand, the down-with-America policies and personnels now crashing outta DC and into the heartland like a zombie army on bulldozers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i kinda agree with Winslow @ 43. </p>
<p>i say &#8216;kinda&#8217; because there&#8217;s still a chance &#8211;i mean in my own evidence room &#8211;an outside chance that O is more rather than less the man wit da plan. IOW, the Sorosian Syndicate, or SS as i shorthand it, may have to ask for, rather than demand, the down-with-America policies and personnels now crashing outta DC and into the heartland like a zombie army on bulldozers.</p>
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		<title>By: Mad Fiddler</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/06/14/time-after-time/#comment-57137</link>
		<dc:creator>Mad Fiddler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In 1974 a Persian professor I&#039;d met from one of the area&#039;s universities decided to return to Iran. I bought a bunch of his things. After 1979 the professor was not heard from.

The idea of authoritarian regimes murdering people who are deemed &quot;un-reliable&quot; is so commonplace it&#039;s a cliché in tv scripts and novels. Americans on the LEFT denied that sort of thing ever went on in the Clinton Administration, despite the astounding number of deaths of people linked to Clinton.

What is it that allows reasonably intelligent people to accept that elsewhere murderous but charming thugs have climbed to power on the heaped bodies of their expendable countrymen, but it can&#039;t possibly happen here?

Well, the LEFT certainly have been willing to accuse Republicans of operating that way.

If even a tiny fraction of a percent of the accusations against Republicans were actually true, How&#039;z cum the only spies that keep coming to light are LEFTIST communist bastards?

How&#039;z cum the Democrats never dig up someone who&#039;s been secretly working for decades to sell out America to the Right Wing International Conspiracy????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 1974 a Persian professor I&#8217;d met from one of the area&#8217;s universities decided to return to Iran. I bought a bunch of his things. After 1979 the professor was not heard from.</p>
<p>The idea of authoritarian regimes murdering people who are deemed &#8220;un-reliable&#8221; is so commonplace it&#8217;s a cliché in tv scripts and novels. Americans on the LEFT denied that sort of thing ever went on in the Clinton Administration, despite the astounding number of deaths of people linked to Clinton.</p>
<p>What is it that allows reasonably intelligent people to accept that elsewhere murderous but charming thugs have climbed to power on the heaped bodies of their expendable countrymen, but it can&#8217;t possibly happen here?</p>
<p>Well, the LEFT certainly have been willing to accuse Republicans of operating that way.</p>
<p>If even a tiny fraction of a percent of the accusations against Republicans were actually true, How&#8217;z cum the only spies that keep coming to light are LEFTIST communist bastards?</p>
<p>How&#8217;z cum the Democrats never dig up someone who&#8217;s been secretly working for decades to sell out America to the Right Wing International Conspiracy????</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus Aurelius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcus Aurelius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read Cohen&#039;s piece, despite its length it says very little. However, he wonders why the Mullahs at one point seemed to let the election process run its course and then flop and find themselves where they are now.

A lot of us have the general notion all candidates are Mullah approved and they are (at least in comparison to each other) commodity items. However, I wonder why it is the Mullahs have second thoughts about Mousavi?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read Cohen&#8217;s piece, despite its length it says very little. However, he wonders why the Mullahs at one point seemed to let the election process run its course and then flop and find themselves where they are now.</p>
<p>A lot of us have the general notion all candidates are Mullah approved and they are (at least in comparison to each other) commodity items. However, I wonder why it is the Mullahs have second thoughts about Mousavi?</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus Aurelius</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/06/14/time-after-time/#comment-57133</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcus Aurelius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 01:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I needed tires so I drove my little 4 hamster honda into the industrial part of our town. Drove and pretty much at random selected a tire shop and arranged to get four new tires.

The owner of the shop and his sons then sat me down and as is customary asked if I wanted tea, I said now &quot;just water, please&quot; and had to argue and finally thought I was going to get my water, but a platter shortly came with teas for all of us. Okay, so I started to drink my tea and chat with the shop owner &amp; his sons (the owner did not understand English his sons did). They asked where I was from and I said the US and the son got a big smile and said &quot;ahhhh our countries are very close friends&quot; I immediately detected the sarcasm but was not 100% wise until the son informed me they were from Iran, he said it with a laugh.

An economics professor I had, noted he had friends return to Iran after the &#039;79 revolution. My prof attempted to warn them off but they did not listen, they ended up against the wall.

We&#039;ll see what the future holds here. Of course I would like to see President Obama give a bolder statement but did anyone think he would?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I needed tires so I drove my little 4 hamster honda into the industrial part of our town. Drove and pretty much at random selected a tire shop and arranged to get four new tires.</p>
<p>The owner of the shop and his sons then sat me down and as is customary asked if I wanted tea, I said now &#8220;just water, please&#8221; and had to argue and finally thought I was going to get my water, but a platter shortly came with teas for all of us. Okay, so I started to drink my tea and chat with the shop owner &amp; his sons (the owner did not understand English his sons did). They asked where I was from and I said the US and the son got a big smile and said &#8220;ahhhh our countries are very close friends&#8221; I immediately detected the sarcasm but was not 100% wise until the son informed me they were from Iran, he said it with a laugh.</p>
<p>An economics professor I had, noted he had friends return to Iran after the &#8217;79 revolution. My prof attempted to warn them off but they did not listen, they ended up against the wall.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll see what the future holds here. Of course I would like to see President Obama give a bolder statement but did anyone think he would?</p>
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		<title>By: Sylvia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sylvia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 00:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>24/Herb.  Had something similar on my refrigerator for years.  Pesky new stainless frig doesn&#039;t hold the dozens of scraps of paper with quotes.  Needed a new commonplace book anyway.  I have shelves of them.  Lovely bits and pieces, a delight for the mind on a sleepless night.

27/Whiskey.  They don&#039;t just hate Reagan -- they fear him and his legacy.  I have friends whose bookshelves are filled with books about those evil conservative white men.  Yikes.  And why can&#039;t they believe there are conservative white women (hello!)?  My daughter and I voice our opinions but the libs don&#039;t hear us.  They do not want to accept that our opinions differ from theirs, so they assume we agree with them.  Is it a form of narcissism?

32/Alexis.  They *think* they *are* well-informed.  They watch TV and listen to NPR and read The New Yorker and the NY Times...

I have been wondering what happened to the two Persians who arrived at my high school in Utah back in late 1978.  The &quot;girl&quot; had stretch marks, played a mean game of racquetball, and was a &quot;student&quot; for only a few months, then she was gone.  The &quot;boy&quot; had perfect military bearing and already knew everything we were learning in our physics class.  I saw him once that summer up at the university, then he was gone, too.  The few of us who were non-Mormon took them under our wing and pretended they were our age, and as with the other n-M kids, we asked no questions.  The local radio stations were censored and we didn&#039;t have TV&#039;s so we had no idea what was going on beyond Deseret, but we trusted our instincts.  They were on the run from something, they were from a very high social class, and they were in their 20&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>24/Herb.  Had something similar on my refrigerator for years.  Pesky new stainless frig doesn&#8217;t hold the dozens of scraps of paper with quotes.  Needed a new commonplace book anyway.  I have shelves of them.  Lovely bits and pieces, a delight for the mind on a sleepless night.</p>
<p>27/Whiskey.  They don&#8217;t just hate Reagan &#8212; they fear him and his legacy.  I have friends whose bookshelves are filled with books about those evil conservative white men.  Yikes.  And why can&#8217;t they believe there are conservative white women (hello!)?  My daughter and I voice our opinions but the libs don&#8217;t hear us.  They do not want to accept that our opinions differ from theirs, so they assume we agree with them.  Is it a form of narcissism?</p>
<p>32/Alexis.  They *think* they *are* well-informed.  They watch TV and listen to NPR and read The New Yorker and the NY Times&#8230;</p>
<p>I have been wondering what happened to the two Persians who arrived at my high school in Utah back in late 1978.  The &#8220;girl&#8221; had stretch marks, played a mean game of racquetball, and was a &#8220;student&#8221; for only a few months, then she was gone.  The &#8220;boy&#8221; had perfect military bearing and already knew everything we were learning in our physics class.  I saw him once that summer up at the university, then he was gone, too.  The few of us who were non-Mormon took them under our wing and pretended they were our age, and as with the other n-M kids, we asked no questions.  The local radio stations were censored and we didn&#8217;t have TV&#8217;s so we had no idea what was going on beyond Deseret, but we trusted our instincts.  They were on the run from something, they were from a very high social class, and they were in their 20&#8242;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Cadmus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cadmus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 00:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NahnCee

Mousawi and his team have not directly asked the US or anyone else for help. The people saying we should help are Iranians who escaped Iran when the Mullahs took over (there are millions).

The people in Iranian streets today were either not born yet or too young to remember 1979. We cannot possibly hold them responsible for that, particularly when they are fighting against the people who are doing all the things you list. 

It is very possible that the world will sit back and tell these guys the hell with you. We do not owe you anything.

Remember, the West has already done this several times, including to the Shah in 1979. That allowed all these “terrorists” to grow to this level of deadliness, because “we do not owe anyone anything”.

Where has it gotten us?

The guaranteed result of such action will be the continued reign of the Mullahs and all the problems that come with them. They will actually be much stronger as they will feel secure that no one will challenge them for some time.

Many of those who asked for our help and got kicked in the groin will join the Mullahs in their hatred and make them even stronger.

I am sure some people want just that. They want an excuse to go to war.

But, wars bring back a lot of body bags, and a lot of pain. If that is the objective, then onward march.

But, I believe we owe ourselves something. We owe civilization something. Those in history who abandoned the fringes to barbarians have all ended up falling victim to barbaric invasions.

Cadmus</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NahnCee</p>
<p>Mousawi and his team have not directly asked the US or anyone else for help. The people saying we should help are Iranians who escaped Iran when the Mullahs took over (there are millions).</p>
<p>The people in Iranian streets today were either not born yet or too young to remember 1979. We cannot possibly hold them responsible for that, particularly when they are fighting against the people who are doing all the things you list. </p>
<p>It is very possible that the world will sit back and tell these guys the hell with you. We do not owe you anything.</p>
<p>Remember, the West has already done this several times, including to the Shah in 1979. That allowed all these “terrorists” to grow to this level of deadliness, because “we do not owe anyone anything”.</p>
<p>Where has it gotten us?</p>
<p>The guaranteed result of such action will be the continued reign of the Mullahs and all the problems that come with them. They will actually be much stronger as they will feel secure that no one will challenge them for some time.</p>
<p>Many of those who asked for our help and got kicked in the groin will join the Mullahs in their hatred and make them even stronger.</p>
<p>I am sure some people want just that. They want an excuse to go to war.</p>
<p>But, wars bring back a lot of body bags, and a lot of pain. If that is the objective, then onward march.</p>
<p>But, I believe we owe ourselves something. We owe civilization something. Those in history who abandoned the fringes to barbarians have all ended up falling victim to barbaric invasions.</p>
<p>Cadmus</p>
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		<title>By: winslow</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 23:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama is little more than an actor reading his lines (teleprompter.) He was selected for his reading and acting ability.  He is not the originator of the strategies that are being carried out by his administration. Those actions are clearly not in the National Interest. Since most of the media accepts the Potemkin Village decor that the administration presents, there is no need for logic or consistency in its statements or actions. 
The mystery is not why he and his administration  do such strange things, but to whose benefit do they accrue.
To characterize those actions as naive or incompetent is to misconstrue their purpose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama is little more than an actor reading his lines (teleprompter.) He was selected for his reading and acting ability.  He is not the originator of the strategies that are being carried out by his administration. Those actions are clearly not in the National Interest. Since most of the media accepts the Potemkin Village decor that the administration presents, there is no need for logic or consistency in its statements or actions.<br />
The mystery is not why he and his administration  do such strange things, but to whose benefit do they accrue.<br />
To characterize those actions as naive or incompetent is to misconstrue their purpose.</p>
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		<title>By: NahnCee</title>
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		<dc:creator>NahnCee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 23:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am I the only one thinking that the Iranians -- all of the Iranians -- have absolutely no right whatsoever to ask America for help?

Iranians broke into our embassy and held Americans hostage for a year, including torturing Americans to death.

Iran has been an outspoken enemy of America for decades, up to and including threats of &quot;death&quot; and destruction.

Iran has funded terrorists in Iraq, with the sole goal of killing American soldiers.

Iran has funded terrorists in Afghanistan and Pakistan, with the sole goal of killing American soldiers.

Iran has played footsie with Russia, with the sole goal of overthrowing America, terrorizing America, and impoverishing America.

Watching the crowds in the streets in Tehran now is interesting in the same sort of way as watching stupid men run away from the bulls in Pamplona.  But it has absolutely nothing to do with me as an American taxpayer, citizen or patriot.

Watching Obama spin slowly (but with ever-quickening gyrations) in the breezes of international events is also amusing.  But just because I want B. Hussein to fail as President of the United States does *not* mean I have the slightest urge to spend time, money or blood in helping out Iranians in whatever possibly-demented thing they want to do now.

We showed them how it&#039;s done in Iraq.  Let them stand up now on their own hind legs and do it for themselves. Then after they&#039;ve proven for a few years that they&#039;re capable of acting like human beings, we can discuss a rapproachment with the rest of the world, including America.

They owe us a BIG one already.  How dare they come begging for our help now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I the only one thinking that the Iranians &#8212; all of the Iranians &#8212; have absolutely no right whatsoever to ask America for help?</p>
<p>Iranians broke into our embassy and held Americans hostage for a year, including torturing Americans to death.</p>
<p>Iran has been an outspoken enemy of America for decades, up to and including threats of &#8220;death&#8221; and destruction.</p>
<p>Iran has funded terrorists in Iraq, with the sole goal of killing American soldiers.</p>
<p>Iran has funded terrorists in Afghanistan and Pakistan, with the sole goal of killing American soldiers.</p>
<p>Iran has played footsie with Russia, with the sole goal of overthrowing America, terrorizing America, and impoverishing America.</p>
<p>Watching the crowds in the streets in Tehran now is interesting in the same sort of way as watching stupid men run away from the bulls in Pamplona.  But it has absolutely nothing to do with me as an American taxpayer, citizen or patriot.</p>
<p>Watching Obama spin slowly (but with ever-quickening gyrations) in the breezes of international events is also amusing.  But just because I want B. Hussein to fail as President of the United States does *not* mean I have the slightest urge to spend time, money or blood in helping out Iranians in whatever possibly-demented thing they want to do now.</p>
<p>We showed them how it&#8217;s done in Iraq.  Let them stand up now on their own hind legs and do it for themselves. Then after they&#8217;ve proven for a few years that they&#8217;re capable of acting like human beings, we can discuss a rapproachment with the rest of the world, including America.</p>
<p>They owe us a BIG one already.  How dare they come begging for our help now.</p>
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		<title>By: Roderick Reilly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roderick Reilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The liberal &quot;engagers&quot; sound an awful lot like novice hostage negotiators to me, but they have no &quot;pro&quot; in their corner to help them talk down the bad guy. Besides, a &quot;hostage negotiation&quot; mentality is the worst possible way to deal with evil governments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The liberal &#8220;engagers&#8221; sound an awful lot like novice hostage negotiators to me, but they have no &#8220;pro&#8221; in their corner to help them talk down the bad guy. Besides, a &#8220;hostage negotiation&#8221; mentality is the worst possible way to deal with evil governments.</p>
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