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		<title>By: The Anchoress — A First Things Blog</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/06/12/iran/#comment-57269</link>
		<dc:creator>The Anchoress — A First Things Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 03:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ticked off Vanderleun: writing here, here, and here. Brutally Honest: also ticked Belmont Club: &#8220;people so practiced in sophistry&#8221; Nile Gardiner: Wondering about Neville Chamberlain? Insty: links to pics NRO Snark: Obama Wins the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Ticked off Vanderleun: writing here, here, and here. Brutally Honest: also ticked Belmont Club: &#8220;people so practiced in sophistry&#8221; Nile Gardiner: Wondering about Neville Chamberlain? Insty: links to pics NRO Snark: Obama Wins the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Typos_R_us</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/06/12/iran/#comment-57175</link>
		<dc:creator>Typos_R_us</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 11:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It isn&#039;t possible for the Mobs to throw the Mad Dog Mullahs out.  If one side has guns and the will to use them and the other side doesn&#039;t, the side with guns will win.  Various European nations have proven that fact many times over the centuries.
Wasn&#039;t it Cortez that defeated over a million Aztecs with less then 200 men, 3 horses and a dog?  And the Aztecs had a god on their side, just as the Japs did in WW2.
Remember, after the Hostages went back home, Ahamadamnutjob went to work in the local prison as a torturer.  So he doesn&#039;t mind getting his hands wet.  He will order killed as many as he needs to have killed to secure his power.
He is another Saddam, only with Nuclear weapons.  I wonder if the Mad Dog Mullahs know what sort of adder  they are clasping to their breast?
It will be interesting to see if his bully boys stop killing when they run out of protesters.  Historically, once the revolution gets a taste for blood, it doesn&#039;t stop.  Just the groups change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It isn&#8217;t possible for the Mobs to throw the Mad Dog Mullahs out.  If one side has guns and the will to use them and the other side doesn&#8217;t, the side with guns will win.  Various European nations have proven that fact many times over the centuries.<br />
Wasn&#8217;t it Cortez that defeated over a million Aztecs with less then 200 men, 3 horses and a dog?  And the Aztecs had a god on their side, just as the Japs did in WW2.<br />
Remember, after the Hostages went back home, Ahamadamnutjob went to work in the local prison as a torturer.  So he doesn&#8217;t mind getting his hands wet.  He will order killed as many as he needs to have killed to secure his power.<br />
He is another Saddam, only with Nuclear weapons.  I wonder if the Mad Dog Mullahs know what sort of adder  they are clasping to their breast?<br />
It will be interesting to see if his bully boys stop killing when they run out of protesters.  Historically, once the revolution gets a taste for blood, it doesn&#8217;t stop.  Just the groups change.</p>
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		<title>By: buddy larsen</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 22:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>geoffgo/37; David Horowitz (on the Glenn Beck show recently) was asked a similar question, and he sort of laughed, saying something along the lines of the problem being the players in the game rather than the game itself. I took that to mean that the new rule-set being the ruin of the game, they can&#039;t possibly be part of the game, and thus amount to a whole different game. IOW, restoration is sufficient, revolution not needed; the old system can easily be made right if we can get the right repairmen in position to fend off the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;invading wolfpack&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>geoffgo/37; David Horowitz (on the Glenn Beck show recently) was asked a similar question, and he sort of laughed, saying something along the lines of the problem being the players in the game rather than the game itself. I took that to mean that the new rule-set being the ruin of the game, they can&#8217;t possibly be part of the game, and thus amount to a whole different game. IOW, restoration is sufficient, revolution not needed; the old system can easily be made right if we can get the right repairmen in position to fend off the <a href="http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/" rel="nofollow">invading wolfpack</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Cadmus</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/06/12/iran/#comment-56939</link>
		<dc:creator>Cadmus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 20:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unsk:

You may be right. This whole thing in Iran could fizzle out without any support from anyone. But, that would become apparent in a few days. If the opposition has any legs, they will show. If they do, then support should have an effect in a relatively short time.

If the opposition does not have any legs, that will also become apparent in a few days. We are not talking about waiting years for this to happen. If they fail now, and the Mullahs crack down on them, it will be a very long time before they rise again. In which case you will be right in your assessment of the nukes, etc.

Then again, why does it all have to come down to Obama? Maybe someone else will help the opposition. There are many countries with the ability and the interest to see Iran change.

Many of the countries we accuse of helping or appeasing Iran may step in. Remember they work with the Iranians out of their own national interests, and not because they like the Mullahs. If they help change the Government, they will have a better partner to deal with. Russia, France, other Europeans and even China come to mind.

This may not be a great thing for the US, since they would show us off and take credit for doing what we could not. But, it would still rid us of the radical mullahs, which is a good thing in its own rite.

I never expected Obama to go after North Korea. I just said if we must flex our muscles, it would be better place to do it. Obama does not have muscles to flex.

Hey, the Saudis being so ardent to make the Iranians “feel the heat” and spending $715 million in last week’s Lebanese elections can help. That amount will buy a whole lot of weapons needed in this conflict. Nah! There are no Sunnis to support. Nix the thought. 

Obama must be pissed. That is a lot more than they funneled to him, and per capita comes down to over 100 times more. Eat his heart out Obama! 

I guess he will not be kissing the Saudi king’s hand again! Well, we can always hope.

Cadmus</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unsk:</p>
<p>You may be right. This whole thing in Iran could fizzle out without any support from anyone. But, that would become apparent in a few days. If the opposition has any legs, they will show. If they do, then support should have an effect in a relatively short time.</p>
<p>If the opposition does not have any legs, that will also become apparent in a few days. We are not talking about waiting years for this to happen. If they fail now, and the Mullahs crack down on them, it will be a very long time before they rise again. In which case you will be right in your assessment of the nukes, etc.</p>
<p>Then again, why does it all have to come down to Obama? Maybe someone else will help the opposition. There are many countries with the ability and the interest to see Iran change.</p>
<p>Many of the countries we accuse of helping or appeasing Iran may step in. Remember they work with the Iranians out of their own national interests, and not because they like the Mullahs. If they help change the Government, they will have a better partner to deal with. Russia, France, other Europeans and even China come to mind.</p>
<p>This may not be a great thing for the US, since they would show us off and take credit for doing what we could not. But, it would still rid us of the radical mullahs, which is a good thing in its own rite.</p>
<p>I never expected Obama to go after North Korea. I just said if we must flex our muscles, it would be better place to do it. Obama does not have muscles to flex.</p>
<p>Hey, the Saudis being so ardent to make the Iranians “feel the heat” and spending $715 million in last week’s Lebanese elections can help. That amount will buy a whole lot of weapons needed in this conflict. Nah! There are no Sunnis to support. Nix the thought. </p>
<p>Obama must be pissed. That is a lot more than they funneled to him, and per capita comes down to over 100 times more. Eat his heart out Obama! </p>
<p>I guess he will not be kissing the Saudi king’s hand again! Well, we can always hope.</p>
<p>Cadmus</p>
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		<title>By: Unsk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Unsk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 19:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cadmus- the problem with your options is the Buraq will never help overthrow the mullahs in Iran, nor will  he take on the norks.

Thus, realistically in the near term if we follow your view, we are left with nukes sprouting everywhere from the hands of Dinnerjacket and the Norks, unless Israel takes out Iran&#039;s nukes. As good as it would be to free Iran, as long as Buraq and the Dems are in power,  it is not going to happen. And the threat to the free world of Iranian nukes takes precedence over waiting out Buraq to free Iran. 

Buraq&#039;s principle goal is cramming Marxism, with more than a touch  of Islam, down the throats of the American people. Defending America and the free world from the likes of Iran and North Korea is nowhere on his agenda. 

People can come up with all sorts of great scenarios where America would not only defend it&#039;s interests, but could make the world a better place. But  America under Buraq is not that country that fights for freedom anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cadmus- the problem with your options is the Buraq will never help overthrow the mullahs in Iran, nor will  he take on the norks.</p>
<p>Thus, realistically in the near term if we follow your view, we are left with nukes sprouting everywhere from the hands of Dinnerjacket and the Norks, unless Israel takes out Iran&#8217;s nukes. As good as it would be to free Iran, as long as Buraq and the Dems are in power,  it is not going to happen. And the threat to the free world of Iranian nukes takes precedence over waiting out Buraq to free Iran. </p>
<p>Buraq&#8217;s principle goal is cramming Marxism, with more than a touch  of Islam, down the throats of the American people. Defending America and the free world from the likes of Iran and North Korea is nowhere on his agenda. </p>
<p>People can come up with all sorts of great scenarios where America would not only defend it&#8217;s interests, but could make the world a better place. But  America under Buraq is not that country that fights for freedom anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: The Count</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Count</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 16:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#3 Wretchard- You often save the best stuff for comments!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#3 Wretchard- You often save the best stuff for comments!</p>
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		<title>By: joe buzz</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe buzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 14:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Liberty&quot; is another word we do not hear much from the mouth of liberals. 
I attended a little ceremony at a small rural church Friday night. The coordinator asked that we all stand to recite the Pledge of Allegiance. As we stood and recited, I felt as though we were participating in something strangely neo-revolutionary as opposed to respectfully dutiful in the not so distant past.
Strange feeling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Liberty&#8221; is another word we do not hear much from the mouth of liberals.<br />
I attended a little ceremony at a small rural church Friday night. The coordinator asked that we all stand to recite the Pledge of Allegiance. As we stood and recited, I felt as though we were participating in something strangely neo-revolutionary as opposed to respectfully dutiful in the not so distant past.<br />
Strange feeling.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry 0351</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry 0351</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 12:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DOUG,
Fat lot of good it did for the enlightened and progressive Iranians here in America to vote wasn&#039;t it?
Anyone who watched this crap unfold could have told you who was going to win the Iranian elections, you could bet money on amadidinejad and won.
Why?
Because a leopard doesn&#039;t change it&#039;s spots and we are still talking about Iran.
what next, Mexican&#039;s voting in Mexico in American elections?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DOUG,<br />
Fat lot of good it did for the enlightened and progressive Iranians here in America to vote wasn&#8217;t it?<br />
Anyone who watched this crap unfold could have told you who was going to win the Iranian elections, you could bet money on amadidinejad and won.<br />
Why?<br />
Because a leopard doesn&#8217;t change it&#8217;s spots and we are still talking about Iran.<br />
what next, Mexican&#8217;s voting in Mexico in American elections?</p>
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		<title>By: geoffgo</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/06/12/iran/#comment-56878</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 10:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buddy Larsen@20,

You said: &lt;i&gt;We’re in the midst of a major coup, and the message making it work is that the Democrats are done with the two-party system, are done because they can be, because they’ve proved they can and will make the nation ungovernable otherwise&lt;/i&gt;.

I ask: Doesn&#039;t this mean the end of the two-party system either way?  I mean that what they&#039;re doing is clearly criminal, and if we are fortunate enough to overthrow this regime against their adament and vociferous objections, then how can we ever allow them to be re-elected?  The ones we don&#039;t hang that is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buddy Larsen@20,</p>
<p>You said: <i>We’re in the midst of a major coup, and the message making it work is that the Democrats are done with the two-party system, are done because they can be, because they’ve proved they can and will make the nation ungovernable otherwise</i>.</p>
<p>I ask: Doesn&#8217;t this mean the end of the two-party system either way?  I mean that what they&#8217;re doing is clearly criminal, and if we are fortunate enough to overthrow this regime against their adament and vociferous objections, then how can we ever allow them to be re-elected?  The ones we don&#8217;t hang that is.</p>
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		<title>By: blogstrop</title>
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		<dc:creator>blogstrop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 07:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cadmus: if the Iranians are going to do Option 1, they better hurry up, and burning a few vehicles is not going to do it. So far they do not appear to have what it takes. Israel would hardly be &quot;charging in&quot;, given the extended period that Iran has been allowed to continue belligerent talk and widespread disruptive actions across several nations, plus nuclear developments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cadmus: if the Iranians are going to do Option 1, they better hurry up, and burning a few vehicles is not going to do it. So far they do not appear to have what it takes. Israel would hardly be &#8220;charging in&#8221;, given the extended period that Iran has been allowed to continue belligerent talk and widespread disruptive actions across several nations, plus nuclear developments.</p>
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