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		<title>By: Ben Franklin</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/06/05/agent-202-to-agent-123/#comment-56072</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Franklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 14:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Lynch is right.  In a sane world, anyone who worked for our government and ever said anything nice about Castro would have their hard drives searched as just a normal part of doing business.  As an agent of a government conceived in liberty it is not possible to do your job properly while believing that a communist dictatorship is anything other than abhorrent.  That this sort of attitude is rampant in certain governmental circles is an indication of how far we have strayed down the road to tyranny ourselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Lynch is right.  In a sane world, anyone who worked for our government and ever said anything nice about Castro would have their hard drives searched as just a normal part of doing business.  As an agent of a government conceived in liberty it is not possible to do your job properly while believing that a communist dictatorship is anything other than abhorrent.  That this sort of attitude is rampant in certain governmental circles is an indication of how far we have strayed down the road to tyranny ourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: John Lynch</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/06/05/agent-202-to-agent-123/#comment-56005</link>
		<dc:creator>John Lynch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 01:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How people can work for the State Department without believing in their country is something I don&#039;t understand.  How could the culture within our own government tolerate such beliefs?  I don&#039;t think this couple hid their feelings very deeply, so the question becomes &quot;what happened to the State Department?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How people can work for the State Department without believing in their country is something I don&#8217;t understand.  How could the culture within our own government tolerate such beliefs?  I don&#8217;t think this couple hid their feelings very deeply, so the question becomes &#8220;what happened to the State Department?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: novanglus</title>
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		<dc:creator>novanglus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 16:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>56/JFSanders: &quot;53.Novanglus: THAT DUDE HAS ISSUES&quot;

Agreed - but what is really frightening is that he also has a reasonable grasp of economic reality.  I just wonder how many Americans are &quot;that guy&quot; just below the surface of their every day living?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>56/JFSanders: &#8220;53.Novanglus: THAT DUDE HAS ISSUES&#8221;</p>
<p>Agreed &#8211; but what is really frightening is that he also has a reasonable grasp of economic reality.  I just wonder how many Americans are &#8220;that guy&#8221; just below the surface of their every day living?</p>
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		<title>By: PA Cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>PA Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 16:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fred--

I did not intend to include you in that capsule summary; I&#039;m like you in never having, as you put it, copped a stance of superiority of any kind. As for Gnostics, I ran into more than a few in graduate school. Some were the libertine type of Gnostic (let us wallow in the works of the flesh because they cannot damage the superior spirit), but there were also some who were early adopters of the humanity-as-blight-on-Gaia ascetic variety. It was quite an experience for an orthodox Christian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred&#8211;</p>
<p>I did not intend to include you in that capsule summary; I&#8217;m like you in never having, as you put it, copped a stance of superiority of any kind. As for Gnostics, I ran into more than a few in graduate school. Some were the libertine type of Gnostic (let us wallow in the works of the flesh because they cannot damage the superior spirit), but there were also some who were early adopters of the humanity-as-blight-on-Gaia ascetic variety. It was quite an experience for an orthodox Christian.</p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 16:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The true believers must be educated enough to form an intense bond with what is, basically, a highly sophisticated image of the world.  Such an image cannot be derived from the usual opportunities of poverty.  Of course it happens, but generally in homes where a father or mother tend to be unsusually literary - like the proverbial English Midlands coal miner with a library of Shakespeare and Scott at home, the mother a school teacher given to social justice.  In the less developed countries - Russia, China - the footsoldiers of social justice are vanity&#039;s executioners.  That is all.

Leninists themselves know this.  &quot;Give me a child for 8 years  and I will make him a Bolshevik forever.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The true believers must be educated enough to form an intense bond with what is, basically, a highly sophisticated image of the world.  Such an image cannot be derived from the usual opportunities of poverty.  Of course it happens, but generally in homes where a father or mother tend to be unsusually literary &#8211; like the proverbial English Midlands coal miner with a library of Shakespeare and Scott at home, the mother a school teacher given to social justice.  In the less developed countries &#8211; Russia, China &#8211; the footsoldiers of social justice are vanity&#8217;s executioners.  That is all.</p>
<p>Leninists themselves know this.  &#8220;Give me a child for 8 years  and I will make him a Bolshevik forever.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: RWE</title>
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		<dc:creator>RWE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 15:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wretchard #47:  &quot;The latest word is that Myers was from a very socially prominent family in DC. He had prestige, an education, money. The trust of his country. What was his beef?&quot;

Okay, you have also just described Osama Bin Laden.

My own theory is that Bin Laden and Kendall and their ilk realize that while they are comfortable and part of the in crowd they will never be more than that.  Bin laden would never lead the house of Saud and probably not even the house of Bin laden.  Kendall might become a Deputy Assistant Undersecretary for Latin American Affairs on Alternate Wednesdays in Months Without an R in Them, but he would never ever be President or even SECSTATE.

They would rather create a Hell and rule their part of it than serve in Heaven.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wretchard #47:  &#8220;The latest word is that Myers was from a very socially prominent family in DC. He had prestige, an education, money. The trust of his country. What was his beef?&#8221;</p>
<p>Okay, you have also just described Osama Bin Laden.</p>
<p>My own theory is that Bin Laden and Kendall and their ilk realize that while they are comfortable and part of the in crowd they will never be more than that.  Bin laden would never lead the house of Saud and probably not even the house of Bin laden.  Kendall might become a Deputy Assistant Undersecretary for Latin American Affairs on Alternate Wednesdays in Months Without an R in Them, but he would never ever be President or even SECSTATE.</p>
<p>They would rather create a Hell and rule their part of it than serve in Heaven.</p>
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		<title>By: fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 15:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PA CAT,

Never was a gnostic.  Gnosticism is a heresy because it taught that creation was a fallen order and intrinsically evil.  It was created evil.  The Church, in its wisdom, declared it a heresy and did not include the Gnostic texts in the canon.

Pelagians do believe in something quite opposite of the Gnostics.  The gnostics do not see this world as the place where salvation occurs, whereas Gnostics want to get out of this world, out of the body, etc.

It was never, ever a part of my attitude or aspiration to cop a stance that I was superior to other people.  If you knew me, as I was back then as a young man and who I am now as a 54 year old you would never think that of me.  As for when I was a young man, I was a pained soul seeking meaning and salvation.  Not a haughty, vicious person.  In fact, over time I began to see that I did not have a lot in common with the actual socialist progressives themselves.  There was just enough doubt in my mind that I was pursuing how to get around the conservative critiques of utopian thought.  And when I could not accomplish it and saw to my satisfaction THAT IT COULD NOT BE DONE, I drew the correct conclusion and moved on.

And I recoiled at the Leninists I knew.  There is something scary about some of those people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PA CAT,</p>
<p>Never was a gnostic.  Gnosticism is a heresy because it taught that creation was a fallen order and intrinsically evil.  It was created evil.  The Church, in its wisdom, declared it a heresy and did not include the Gnostic texts in the canon.</p>
<p>Pelagians do believe in something quite opposite of the Gnostics.  The gnostics do not see this world as the place where salvation occurs, whereas Gnostics want to get out of this world, out of the body, etc.</p>
<p>It was never, ever a part of my attitude or aspiration to cop a stance that I was superior to other people.  If you knew me, as I was back then as a young man and who I am now as a 54 year old you would never think that of me.  As for when I was a young man, I was a pained soul seeking meaning and salvation.  Not a haughty, vicious person.  In fact, over time I began to see that I did not have a lot in common with the actual socialist progressives themselves.  There was just enough doubt in my mind that I was pursuing how to get around the conservative critiques of utopian thought.  And when I could not accomplish it and saw to my satisfaction THAT IT COULD NOT BE DONE, I drew the correct conclusion and moved on.</p>
<p>And I recoiled at the Leninists I knew.  There is something scary about some of those people.</p>
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		<title>By: PA Cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>PA Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 14:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;If Mr. Myers was a indeed a spy, he didn’t do it for money; nor even for any rational reason. He did it for vanity; because he saw himself as morally superior in his own mind. He felt entitled.&lt;/i&gt;

Wretchard&#039;s comment reminded me of a missing person case that is still unsolved as of 2009. Bradford Bishop was a Yale (BA) and Middlebury (MA) graduate from a socially prominent family in Pasadena who worked in Army counterintelligence for a few years before moving over to the State Department and the Foreign Service. In March 1976 he was told he would not receive a promotion that he thought he deserved. He left work early, went home, murdered his wife, mother, and three children, drove from Maryland to North Carolina to dispose of the bodies, and has so far eluded justice.

&quot;According to Bishop&#039;s co-worker, Roy Harrell, his family (primarily wife and mother) constantly told him that he was inadequate, washed-up, and wasn&#039;t going anywhere in his career. This may have given him the motive to commit what seemed to be a crime of passion. The co-worker also went on to add that this was usually Bishop&#039;s way to &#039;put someone in their place,&#039; as he liked to say himself.&quot;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradford_Bishop

So the murderous anger of the &quot;funny people&quot; that Wretchard describes in #47 can issue in very personal crimes as well as espionage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If Mr. Myers was a indeed a spy, he didn’t do it for money; nor even for any rational reason. He did it for vanity; because he saw himself as morally superior in his own mind. He felt entitled.</i></p>
<p>Wretchard&#8217;s comment reminded me of a missing person case that is still unsolved as of 2009. Bradford Bishop was a Yale (BA) and Middlebury (MA) graduate from a socially prominent family in Pasadena who worked in Army counterintelligence for a few years before moving over to the State Department and the Foreign Service. In March 1976 he was told he would not receive a promotion that he thought he deserved. He left work early, went home, murdered his wife, mother, and three children, drove from Maryland to North Carolina to dispose of the bodies, and has so far eluded justice.</p>
<p>&#8220;According to Bishop&#8217;s co-worker, Roy Harrell, his family (primarily wife and mother) constantly told him that he was inadequate, washed-up, and wasn&#8217;t going anywhere in his career. This may have given him the motive to commit what seemed to be a crime of passion. The co-worker also went on to add that this was usually Bishop&#8217;s way to &#8216;put someone in their place,&#8217; as he liked to say himself.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradford_Bishop" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradford_Bishop</a></p>
<p>So the murderous anger of the &#8220;funny people&#8221; that Wretchard describes in #47 can issue in very personal crimes as well as espionage.</p>
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		<title>By: programmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>programmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 14:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@42 John Lynch
&lt;i&gt;And BTW, if you ever hear someone talk about a classification level “Above Top Secret,” they’re full of it.&lt;/i&gt;

Wrong.  That which can be named is not it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@42 John Lynch<br />
<i>And BTW, if you ever hear someone talk about a classification level “Above Top Secret,” they’re full of it.</i></p>
<p>Wrong.  That which can be named is not it.</p>
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		<title>By: PA Cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>PA Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 14:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>48 Dave

Apropos of heresies, I think these folks are an ugly combination of Gnosticism (salvation through superior enlightenment) and Pelagianism. Don&#039;t know whether Fred would agree with that diagnosis or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>48 Dave</p>
<p>Apropos of heresies, I think these folks are an ugly combination of Gnosticism (salvation through superior enlightenment) and Pelagianism. Don&#8217;t know whether Fred would agree with that diagnosis or not.</p>
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