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		<title>By: LarryD</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/05/18/gotterdammerung/#comment-52886</link>
		<dc:creator>LarryD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 22:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of &lt;a href=&quot;http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124268963178032407.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;useless professional negotiators&lt;/a&gt; the WSJ has an article on the return of arms control negotiators.  As the article points out, the US and Russia have made massive progress during Bush&#039;s term without them.  But Obama has to posture, so out of retirement they come, to slow down genuine progress by making it attendant on never-ending negotiations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124268963178032407.html" rel="nofollow">useless professional negotiators</a> the WSJ has an article on the return of arms control negotiators.  As the article points out, the US and Russia have made massive progress during Bush&#8217;s term without them.  But Obama has to posture, so out of retirement they come, to slow down genuine progress by making it attendant on never-ending negotiations.</p>
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		<title>By: LarryD</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/05/18/gotterdammerung/#comment-52840</link>
		<dc:creator>LarryD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 15:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Bob Smith:&lt;/b&gt; &lt;i&gt;These people seem to have a negotiation fetish. Why negotiate when you can have victory?&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;b&gt;MarkL:&lt;/b&gt; &lt;i&gt;If there is ’someone to negotiate with’, then up pops a sleazy slew of greasy Armani suited UN and other internationalist parasites to prolong the agony that they may feast longer on the blood and suffering.&lt;/i&gt;

The UN is &lt;i&gt;designed&lt;/i&gt; to forestall victory. This description is from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/leagueofnations.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;an article on the League of Nations&lt;/a&gt;, the UN&#039;s precursor: &lt;i&gt;Therefore, any conflict between nations which ended in war and &lt;b&gt;the victor of one over the other&lt;/b&gt; must be considered a League failure.&lt;/i&gt;

A lot of people don&#039;t realize that the UN is in fact the League&#039;s direct successor, many of the League&#039;s secondary bodies transfered over, and the UN inherited the League&#039;s archives, &quot;Palace of Peace&quot;, and other assets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Bob Smith:</b> <i>These people seem to have a negotiation fetish. Why negotiate when you can have victory?</i></p>
<p><b>MarkL:</b> <i>If there is ’someone to negotiate with’, then up pops a sleazy slew of greasy Armani suited UN and other internationalist parasites to prolong the agony that they may feast longer on the blood and suffering.</i></p>
<p>The UN is <i>designed</i> to forestall victory. This description is from <a href="http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/leagueofnations.htm" rel="nofollow">an article on the League of Nations</a>, the UN&#8217;s precursor: <i>Therefore, any conflict between nations which ended in war and <b>the victor of one over the other</b> must be considered a League failure.</i></p>
<p>A lot of people don&#8217;t realize that the UN is in fact the League&#8217;s direct successor, many of the League&#8217;s secondary bodies transfered over, and the UN inherited the League&#8217;s archives, &#8220;Palace of Peace&#8221;, and other assets.</p>
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		<title>By: Wadeusaf</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/05/18/gotterdammerung/#comment-52804</link>
		<dc:creator>Wadeusaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 07:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was &quot;The Man in the Green Helmet&quot; driving?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was &#8220;The Man in the Green Helmet&#8221; driving?</p>
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		<title>By: Oldo Århus Danmark</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/05/18/gotterdammerung/#comment-52778</link>
		<dc:creator>Oldo Århus Danmark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 02:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This conflict was a perfect example of diaspora-fed insurgency. Here in Denmark, and all-over Scandinavia, W.Europe &amp; Canada, thousands-upon-thousands of Tamil &quot;refugees&quot; live on social-security. They must (well, until recently) give 10% &quot;WAR-TAX&quot; hereof to LTTA collectors, so their kin (or themselves)don&#039;t get killed. These money buy weapons through respectable fronts in Singapore, kill SL soldiers, who get more weapons from China and Israel... and create more &quot;refugees&quot;. In normal, sane world the Tamil &quot;refugees&quot; would be housed in UN-supervised tracts of Tamil Nadu, India, and waited there until the insurgency is finished, presumably in few months without the financing, in fact, by western tax-payers. Shame on &quot;humanitarian&quot; efforts by hard-line lefties like Erik Solheim (now minister of development in Oslo). Actually just heard his interview on BBC now, and can&#039;t sleep, so upset it made me. He talks about his &quot;friends&quot;, no mistake where his sympathies lay... This asshole never realized that his &quot;helicopter&quot; diplomacy some 4 years ago led to unnecessary prolongation of the terrorist insurgency and countless thousands - tens of thousands - deaths! My respect goes to heroes of the SL armed forces, job well done!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This conflict was a perfect example of diaspora-fed insurgency. Here in Denmark, and all-over Scandinavia, W.Europe &amp; Canada, thousands-upon-thousands of Tamil &#8220;refugees&#8221; live on social-security. They must (well, until recently) give 10% &#8220;WAR-TAX&#8221; hereof to LTTA collectors, so their kin (or themselves)don&#8217;t get killed. These money buy weapons through respectable fronts in Singapore, kill SL soldiers, who get more weapons from China and Israel&#8230; and create more &#8220;refugees&#8221;. In normal, sane world the Tamil &#8220;refugees&#8221; would be housed in UN-supervised tracts of Tamil Nadu, India, and waited there until the insurgency is finished, presumably in few months without the financing, in fact, by western tax-payers. Shame on &#8220;humanitarian&#8221; efforts by hard-line lefties like Erik Solheim (now minister of development in Oslo). Actually just heard his interview on BBC now, and can&#8217;t sleep, so upset it made me. He talks about his &#8220;friends&#8221;, no mistake where his sympathies lay&#8230; This asshole never realized that his &#8220;helicopter&#8221; diplomacy some 4 years ago led to unnecessary prolongation of the terrorist insurgency and countless thousands &#8211; tens of thousands &#8211; deaths! My respect goes to heroes of the SL armed forces, job well done!</p>
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		<title>By: Cowboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cowboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 01:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wretchard: &quot;garlands of diplomatic wolfsbane&quot;

So true. The Sri Lankan model surpasses the US model for dealing with terrorism right now.

Who&#039;d have thunk it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wretchard: &#8220;garlands of diplomatic wolfsbane&#8221;</p>
<p>So true. The Sri Lankan model surpasses the US model for dealing with terrorism right now.</p>
<p>Who&#8217;d have thunk it?</p>
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		<title>By: John Lynch</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Lynch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 21:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s rare that these guys get what they deserve.

Yes, people tend to forget that negotiation and compromise have little virtue in and of themselves.  They are a tool to get what you want.  They may have the virtue of ending a war, but in Sri Lanka&#039;s case the opposite was true.

The Tigers had their chance at negotiating some kind of autonomy within Sri Lanka, but that&#039;s not what they wanted.  Specifically, it wasn&#039;t what Prabhakaran wanted.  He wanted to be a dictator, and he couldn&#039;t be that unless there was some territory controlled only by him.  

The Tamils should be grateful to be rid of him, because he brought them nothing but pain, suffering, death and defeat.  Hopefully they can find a better way to live and a new set of leaders not intent on leading them to ruin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s rare that these guys get what they deserve.</p>
<p>Yes, people tend to forget that negotiation and compromise have little virtue in and of themselves.  They are a tool to get what you want.  They may have the virtue of ending a war, but in Sri Lanka&#8217;s case the opposite was true.</p>
<p>The Tigers had their chance at negotiating some kind of autonomy within Sri Lanka, but that&#8217;s not what they wanted.  Specifically, it wasn&#8217;t what Prabhakaran wanted.  He wanted to be a dictator, and he couldn&#8217;t be that unless there was some territory controlled only by him.  </p>
<p>The Tamils should be grateful to be rid of him, because he brought them nothing but pain, suffering, death and defeat.  Hopefully they can find a better way to live and a new set of leaders not intent on leading them to ruin.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 19:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;if the Tamil leadership goes ahead with their threats of suicide will there be anyone left to negotiate with? &lt;/i&gt;

These people seem to have a negotiation fetish. Why negotiate when you can have victory?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>if the Tamil leadership goes ahead with their threats of suicide will there be anyone left to negotiate with? </i></p>
<p>These people seem to have a negotiation fetish. Why negotiate when you can have victory?</p>
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		<title>By: El_Heffe</title>
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		<dc:creator>El_Heffe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 19:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blert #18 &quot;... the notion of the Chinese securing the sea lanes to Africa can only be taken in the context of destroying the US Navy and all others along the route.&quot;

&quot;Battle of Diego Garcia&quot; anyone? How long do you suppose we have got?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blert #18 &#8220;&#8230; the notion of the Chinese securing the sea lanes to Africa can only be taken in the context of destroying the US Navy and all others along the route.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Battle of Diego Garcia&#8221; anyone? How long do you suppose we have got?</p>
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		<title>By: Molon Labe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Molon Labe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 19:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@18 blert: &quot;All CCP blue water spending is solely aimed at the USN.&quot;

They are building the blue-water highway over which they will transport their plunder from the US when we attempt to default on our debt to China.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@18 blert: &#8220;All CCP blue water spending is solely aimed at the USN.&#8221;</p>
<p>They are building the blue-water highway over which they will transport their plunder from the US when we attempt to default on our debt to China.</p>
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		<title>By: Robohobo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robohobo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 19:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wretchard said: &quot;Legitimacy depends on prestige and upon respect. How much of that does the West have left?&quot; &amp; &quot;...from China. That assistance enabled them to thumb their noses at the Western capitals, which they must now be congratulating themselves for doing.&quot;

And why not? We have proved feckless or worse lately (see Israel &amp; Lebanon). The Tamil&#039;s gambled and lost, it seems. A lot of the comments up thread point this out in respect to the facts that the UN has done nothing but prolong the devastation.

JMH @ 19: &quot;...how much credibility the West has with the Third World than I am with how much is has left with its own populace.&quot;

As far as the current regime in the US? None. The regime in DC has no credibility left. Walk the streets and ask anyone if they have faith the DC elite can solve the nations problems. If they answer &quot;Yes&quot; they are probably one of the faithful to The 0bamanation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wretchard said: &#8220;Legitimacy depends on prestige and upon respect. How much of that does the West have left?&#8221; &amp; &#8220;&#8230;from China. That assistance enabled them to thumb their noses at the Western capitals, which they must now be congratulating themselves for doing.&#8221;</p>
<p>And why not? We have proved feckless or worse lately (see Israel &amp; Lebanon). The Tamil&#8217;s gambled and lost, it seems. A lot of the comments up thread point this out in respect to the facts that the UN has done nothing but prolong the devastation.</p>
<p>JMH @ 19: &#8220;&#8230;how much credibility the West has with the Third World than I am with how much is has left with its own populace.&#8221;</p>
<p>As far as the current regime in the US? None. The regime in DC has no credibility left. Walk the streets and ask anyone if they have faith the DC elite can solve the nations problems. If they answer &#8220;Yes&#8221; they are probably one of the faithful to The 0bamanation.</p>
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