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		<title>By: Craigicus</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/05/11/whats-next-for-afghanistan/#comment-51998</link>
		<dc:creator>Craigicus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 03:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before U. Grant took the reins, McClellan kept asking for more resources and appeared to want to train but not fight.  When Lincoln replaced him, now that was a firing.

The general replaced this time just didn&#039;t fit perfectly.  At this high stage in their careers, they should either quit or be happy with the time to serve that they are allowed.  When I was a soldier under generals, I sure as hell hoped that if someone thought another general would do better then we shouldn&#039;t worry about feelings or politics or anything -- just make the swap and get on with it.

Most generals are graceful when they are replaced.  That is right and the way it should be.  We citizens can ask all the questions we want but we don&#039;t have to ponder that the replaced general is disgraced -- unless you see something stronger than asking someone to resign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before U. Grant took the reins, McClellan kept asking for more resources and appeared to want to train but not fight.  When Lincoln replaced him, now that was a firing.</p>
<p>The general replaced this time just didn&#8217;t fit perfectly.  At this high stage in their careers, they should either quit or be happy with the time to serve that they are allowed.  When I was a soldier under generals, I sure as hell hoped that if someone thought another general would do better then we shouldn&#8217;t worry about feelings or politics or anything &#8212; just make the swap and get on with it.</p>
<p>Most generals are graceful when they are replaced.  That is right and the way it should be.  We citizens can ask all the questions we want but we don&#8217;t have to ponder that the replaced general is disgraced &#8212; unless you see something stronger than asking someone to resign.</p>
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		<title>By: buddy larsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>buddy larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 14:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gen. Petraeus was on the toob over the weekend --an interview  by Chris Wallace. He dissembled in the usual way, positive words delivered rather less than enthusiatically. But what was striking was his expression --it was like David Petraeus&#039;s depressed twin brother. i have a strong impression that there is much in this O admin that is so far out of square &amp; plumb that the good general is burdened with more court politics than he knows is good for the soldier&#039;s mission.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gen. Petraeus was on the toob over the weekend &#8211;an interview  by Chris Wallace. He dissembled in the usual way, positive words delivered rather less than enthusiatically. But what was striking was his expression &#8211;it was like David Petraeus&#8217;s depressed twin brother. i have a strong impression that there is much in this O admin that is so far out of square &amp; plumb that the good general is burdened with more court politics than he knows is good for the soldier&#8217;s mission.</p>
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		<title>By: buddy larsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>buddy larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 12:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JF Sanders/11; can&#039;t add much to what the others have said, except to add a salute to your boys and you and your family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JF Sanders/11; can&#8217;t add much to what the others have said, except to add a salute to your boys and you and your family.</p>
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		<title>By: DWB</title>
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		<dc:creator>DWB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 11:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JF Sanders # 18 - Everything is in a constant state if change. The Michaels (Yon &amp; Totten) seem to be one of the few good sourses of information in those areas these days.  Trusted blogs seem also to be the new source of information.  If the issues stated are in question, they&#039;re openly challenged.  The Post &quot;Wink, Wink&quot; is a good example.  In that post, I think that the comments were better than the initial post.  The &quot;group think&quot; expressed in the comments section is probably better than any individual think.  If one only wants to hear what they agree with, they need to join the &quot;The bible says it, I believe it, That settles it.&quot; crowd.  Unfortunately uncertainty is the bedfellow of people that think for themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JF Sanders # 18 &#8211; Everything is in a constant state if change. The Michaels (Yon &amp; Totten) seem to be one of the few good sourses of information in those areas these days.  Trusted blogs seem also to be the new source of information.  If the issues stated are in question, they&#8217;re openly challenged.  The Post &#8220;Wink, Wink&#8221; is a good example.  In that post, I think that the comments were better than the initial post.  The &#8220;group think&#8221; expressed in the comments section is probably better than any individual think.  If one only wants to hear what they agree with, they need to join the &#8220;The bible says it, I believe it, That settles it.&#8221; crowd.  Unfortunately uncertainty is the bedfellow of people that think for themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Lifeofthemind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lifeofthemind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 11:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;noprisoners&lt;/b&gt;,
&lt;i&gt;Please confirm that missiles that were designed to hit India have sufficient range to reach the U.S.&lt;/i&gt;

Mexico.
There is no longer security in isolation for America. Northern Mexico is dissolving under the pressure of corruption, drug gangs, and both Sunni and Shiite infiltration. Once they get a warhead they will be able to smuggle it into Mexico and then it will only be a matter of time. Tons of drugs breach the border routinely and enter the United States. How can we expect to keep out a warhead under these circumstances?

Paradoxically the swine flu episode might have strengthened the hand of the central government and bought us a little breathing space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>noprisoners</b>,<br />
<i>Please confirm that missiles that were designed to hit India have sufficient range to reach the U.S.</i></p>
<p>Mexico.<br />
There is no longer security in isolation for America. Northern Mexico is dissolving under the pressure of corruption, drug gangs, and both Sunni and Shiite infiltration. Once they get a warhead they will be able to smuggle it into Mexico and then it will only be a matter of time. Tons of drugs breach the border routinely and enter the United States. How can we expect to keep out a warhead under these circumstances?</p>
<p>Paradoxically the swine flu episode might have strengthened the hand of the central government and bought us a little breathing space.</p>
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		<title>By: Boiled Cabbage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boiled Cabbage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 11:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;half dozen Pakistani cities were to go up with no one claiming the credit&quot;

In 1939-45 not even fire-bombing of whole cities, in retaliation for the Blitz, led to the belligerents changing their tune. 


Just perhaps the Predator strikes are the most successful part of AfPak. In time they might condition AQ etc to equate jihadi action with an unexpected missile in the middle of the night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;half dozen Pakistani cities were to go up with no one claiming the credit&#8221;</p>
<p>In 1939-45 not even fire-bombing of whole cities, in retaliation for the Blitz, led to the belligerents changing their tune. </p>
<p>Just perhaps the Predator strikes are the most successful part of AfPak. In time they might condition AQ etc to equate jihadi action with an unexpected missile in the middle of the night.</p>
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		<title>By: ledger</title>
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		<dc:creator>ledger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 10:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is the link to CDR Salamander

http://cdrsalamander.blogspot.com/2009/05/mckiernan-out.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the link to CDR Salamander</p>
<p><a href="http://cdrsalamander.blogspot.com/2009/05/mckiernan-out.html" rel="nofollow">http://cdrsalamander.blogspot.com/2009/05/mckiernan-out.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: ledger</title>
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		<dc:creator>ledger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 10:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with vanderleun @7. I think is a Cut &amp; Run strategy by Obama. It’s also going to be done by committee.

There will be two Generals running the show which will probably one too many chefs in the kitchen. This will give Obama the cover he needs to cut &amp; run. 

[Navy Times]

Gates said he will nominate Army Lt. Gen. Stanley McChrystal, a special operations veteran who now is director of the Joint Staff, to replace McKiernan. He also said he will create a new post dubbed deputy commander for Afghanistan forces. Army Lt. Gen. David Rodriguez will be tapped for that position.


http://www.navytimes.com/news/2009/05/military_mckiernan_gates_051109w/

[cdrsalamander]

&quot;Nothing against LtGen McChrystal - but unlike some, I am not all that happy with this rumor... Gen. McKiernan is the right man at the right time in the right job. Only now are his ideas starting to be put in place. He needs, no - deserves - another year.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with vanderleun @7. I think is a Cut &amp; Run strategy by Obama. It’s also going to be done by committee.</p>
<p>There will be two Generals running the show which will probably one too many chefs in the kitchen. This will give Obama the cover he needs to cut &amp; run. </p>
<p>[Navy Times]</p>
<p>Gates said he will nominate Army Lt. Gen. Stanley McChrystal, a special operations veteran who now is director of the Joint Staff, to replace McKiernan. He also said he will create a new post dubbed deputy commander for Afghanistan forces. Army Lt. Gen. David Rodriguez will be tapped for that position.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.navytimes.com/news/2009/05/military_mckiernan_gates_051109w/" rel="nofollow">http://www.navytimes.com/news/2009/05/military_mckiernan_gates_051109w/</a></p>
<p>[cdrsalamander]</p>
<p>&#8220;Nothing against LtGen McChrystal &#8211; but unlike some, I am not all that happy with this rumor&#8230; Gen. McKiernan is the right man at the right time in the right job. Only now are his ideas starting to be put in place. He needs, no &#8211; deserves &#8211; another year.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: wretchard</title>
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		<dc:creator>wretchard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 10:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re where we are now with respect to the Three Conjectures essay I wrote so long ago. There are two models of peacekeeping: the police model and the Wild West model. In the police model, we delegate the use of force to the authorities and go about largely unarmed. In the Wild West model there is no police. Everyone goes about armed and when necessary, exchanges fire with someone else.

My guess is that the non-proliferation regime is collapsing and that the current political leadership in the West will accelerate its demise. The police model is coming to an end. A lot of pundits have predicted that some time in the next decade, there will be a WMD terror attack on a Western city. What they&#039;ve not predicted is what happens after that. One trajectory from that point is a slow slide into a Three Conjectures type situation. The politicians won&#039;t be able to solve it and then at some point, something will snap and a catastrophe will ensue. At that point either a new and brutal sheriff will emerge from the chaos and the police model will be re-established; The other possibility is that new equilibrium will emerge because the &quot;other side&quot; -- whoever that may be, will be struck with a deniable reprisal. In other words, bushwhack will be met by bushwhack.

Suppose for example, Mumbai vanished in a blast with no one admitting responsibility? A nuclear version of the last attack. But what if a half dozen Pakistani cities were to go up with no one claiming the credit. Would the militants stop? Maybe. In the face of that kind of brutal reprisal there would be a lot of internal social pressure to cool it. They&#039;d enforce control internally out of the need to survive. At least for a while. Universal nuclear disarmament except for the police will be replaced by universal concealed carry. We go from the police model to the Wild West model. Instead of a single gigantic Three Conjectures event, you might have a dozen little nuclear exchanges until some way is found to cool things down.

Either way, the current political generation will have failed to meet the test of keeping the peace and we&#039;ll go into an uncertain future where the open travel, trade and security of the last thirty years is replaced by a dark and terrifying era.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re where we are now with respect to the Three Conjectures essay I wrote so long ago. There are two models of peacekeeping: the police model and the Wild West model. In the police model, we delegate the use of force to the authorities and go about largely unarmed. In the Wild West model there is no police. Everyone goes about armed and when necessary, exchanges fire with someone else.</p>
<p>My guess is that the non-proliferation regime is collapsing and that the current political leadership in the West will accelerate its demise. The police model is coming to an end. A lot of pundits have predicted that some time in the next decade, there will be a WMD terror attack on a Western city. What they&#8217;ve not predicted is what happens after that. One trajectory from that point is a slow slide into a Three Conjectures type situation. The politicians won&#8217;t be able to solve it and then at some point, something will snap and a catastrophe will ensue. At that point either a new and brutal sheriff will emerge from the chaos and the police model will be re-established; The other possibility is that new equilibrium will emerge because the &#8220;other side&#8221; &#8212; whoever that may be, will be struck with a deniable reprisal. In other words, bushwhack will be met by bushwhack.</p>
<p>Suppose for example, Mumbai vanished in a blast with no one admitting responsibility? A nuclear version of the last attack. But what if a half dozen Pakistani cities were to go up with no one claiming the credit. Would the militants stop? Maybe. In the face of that kind of brutal reprisal there would be a lot of internal social pressure to cool it. They&#8217;d enforce control internally out of the need to survive. At least for a while. Universal nuclear disarmament except for the police will be replaced by universal concealed carry. We go from the police model to the Wild West model. Instead of a single gigantic Three Conjectures event, you might have a dozen little nuclear exchanges until some way is found to cool things down.</p>
<p>Either way, the current political generation will have failed to meet the test of keeping the peace and we&#8217;ll go into an uncertain future where the open travel, trade and security of the last thirty years is replaced by a dark and terrifying era.</p>
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		<title>By: RaviT</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 06:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Northern/Western Afghanistan are doing OK--the problem area is in the south and east--Pashunistan, just like NWFP in Pakistan--of course, the Taliban&#039;s ideology is for a full-fledged Caliphate--they&#039;re far from focused (at least in rhetoric, which I wouldn&#039;t dismiss) on ethnicity.  It&#039;s really difficult to predict how things will go--the Pakistani offensive against the Taliban seems un-serious, really, and it doesn&#039;t look like Obama is much more serious about crushing the Taliban--maybe Petraeus can work something out?  I&#039;m dubious, but I guess a lot of the Taliban don&#039;t share in the broader ambitions of their movement?  That would be the hope, unless we&#039;re willing to go for a real drag-out fight, which we (i.e., the West) don&#039;t seem to be ready for in the short-term, at least.  It really is shaping up as a classic case of &quot;if good people do nothing&quot; . . . . Obviously US/UK/Canadian/Dutch troops are doing a lot more than nothing, but--unless more is done . . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Northern/Western Afghanistan are doing OK&#8211;the problem area is in the south and east&#8211;Pashunistan, just like NWFP in Pakistan&#8211;of course, the Taliban&#8217;s ideology is for a full-fledged Caliphate&#8211;they&#8217;re far from focused (at least in rhetoric, which I wouldn&#8217;t dismiss) on ethnicity.  It&#8217;s really difficult to predict how things will go&#8211;the Pakistani offensive against the Taliban seems un-serious, really, and it doesn&#8217;t look like Obama is much more serious about crushing the Taliban&#8211;maybe Petraeus can work something out?  I&#8217;m dubious, but I guess a lot of the Taliban don&#8217;t share in the broader ambitions of their movement?  That would be the hope, unless we&#8217;re willing to go for a real drag-out fight, which we (i.e., the West) don&#8217;t seem to be ready for in the short-term, at least.  It really is shaping up as a classic case of &#8220;if good people do nothing&#8221; . . . . Obviously US/UK/Canadian/Dutch troops are doing a lot more than nothing, but&#8211;unless more is done . . . .</p>
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