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		<title>By: noprisoners</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/04/25/zuma/#comment-49152</link>
		<dc:creator>noprisoners</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eggplant @ 17

I concur.

NP</description>
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<p>I concur.</p>
<p>NP</p>
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		<title>By: Eggplant</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/04/25/zuma/#comment-49051</link>
		<dc:creator>Eggplant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 05:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>noprisoners said:

&quot;Finally, I decided that all of Africa is not worth finding a social solution. The Chinese have the right idea. They will exploit the minerals and riches of the continent and rule the indiginent people with a heavy hand.&quot;

Africa will not be re-colonized.  There are simply too many black Africans to permit that.  Instead there will be resource exploitation based upon local corruption.  For example, a large international corporation will decided that it wants to mine copper in some country like the Congo.  The regional chief or warlord is paid &quot;rent&quot; at regular intervals to lease the plot of land containing the resource.  The corporation then builds a fence around the resource, The corporation defends the security perimeter with foreign mercenaries and drives out the local population at the tip of a bayonet.  The corporation then brings in American, European and Asian contractor workers to perform the actual resource extraction labor (local people are NOT used as workers).  After the last dollar of resource has been extracted, the foreign corporation removes it workers, leaves behind its garbage and discontinues payment to the local warlord.  The local warlord gets one cent on the dollar for the value of the resources extracted (if he&#039;s lucky) while the local population gets nothing except a mined-out moonscape. This process will continue until Africa is stripped of all of its mineral resources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>noprisoners said:</p>
<p>&#8220;Finally, I decided that all of Africa is not worth finding a social solution. The Chinese have the right idea. They will exploit the minerals and riches of the continent and rule the indiginent people with a heavy hand.&#8221;</p>
<p>Africa will not be re-colonized.  There are simply too many black Africans to permit that.  Instead there will be resource exploitation based upon local corruption.  For example, a large international corporation will decided that it wants to mine copper in some country like the Congo.  The regional chief or warlord is paid &#8220;rent&#8221; at regular intervals to lease the plot of land containing the resource.  The corporation then builds a fence around the resource, The corporation defends the security perimeter with foreign mercenaries and drives out the local population at the tip of a bayonet.  The corporation then brings in American, European and Asian contractor workers to perform the actual resource extraction labor (local people are NOT used as workers).  After the last dollar of resource has been extracted, the foreign corporation removes it workers, leaves behind its garbage and discontinues payment to the local warlord.  The local warlord gets one cent on the dollar for the value of the resources extracted (if he&#8217;s lucky) while the local population gets nothing except a mined-out moonscape. This process will continue until Africa is stripped of all of its mineral resources.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexis</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/04/25/zuma/#comment-49045</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 05:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eggplant:

Where would the Cape Coloreds have to go?  Belgium?  Holland?  Suriname?  The United States?  They are at once very African and not regarded as &quot;African&quot; by black racists.

While it may be wise for individual residents of South Africa to cut and run, I doubt this would be feasible for the majority of the population of the Western Cape.  That leaves the fate of Cape Province an open question, especially if it becomes a refugee center for whites and coloreds from other parts of South Africa.

This looks like a political version of an irresistable force meeting an unmovable object.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eggplant:</p>
<p>Where would the Cape Coloreds have to go?  Belgium?  Holland?  Suriname?  The United States?  They are at once very African and not regarded as &#8220;African&#8221; by black racists.</p>
<p>While it may be wise for individual residents of South Africa to cut and run, I doubt this would be feasible for the majority of the population of the Western Cape.  That leaves the fate of Cape Province an open question, especially if it becomes a refugee center for whites and coloreds from other parts of South Africa.</p>
<p>This looks like a political version of an irresistable force meeting an unmovable object.</p>
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		<title>By: Mad Fiddler</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/04/25/zuma/#comment-49016</link>
		<dc:creator>Mad Fiddler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 04:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What happens when there are no other territories to which the dissatisfied may emigrate? 

It&#039;s not that far off. The posing Leftist expatriates of the U.S. could call Republicans &quot;Nazis&quot; and &quot;Fascists&quot; without consequence. They could come and go as they pleased, advance to top University posts, grow rich from the publishing proceeds from their rants, and retire to live on their trust accounts, royalties, and &quot;four-oh-wonks.&quot;

The countries to which they relocated had been for centuries famously tolerant of dissidents from OTHER countries, if not so scrupulous in protecting the rights of their own domestic critics. For those countries still smarting from lost empire, it was always satisfying regardless of local partisan issues, to be able to spit in the eye of the arrogant Americaines.

In a complex ballet of retreat before Islamic militancy, the Western European societies have been relentlessly curtailing the freedoms of their own people. Part of this is sheer pissing cowardice. Part of this is the self-imposed distortion of cradle-to-grave meddling in the lives of subjects. From those subjects, taxes are extracted by one bureaucracy in order to support another bureaucracy the task of which is to promulgate an encyclopedic list of incomprehensible rules used by the bureaucrats to justify distributing largesse as they see fit. 

Those countries slide ever more deeply into real fascism and thought control. The Jihadists in their manifold incarnations press on the soft borders of &quot;Dar-al-Harb&quot; and exact concessions from the secular previously &quot;liberal&quot; regimes. We hurtle toward a worldwide community consisting of Islamic states competing for the chance to devour the European socialist states, a sprinkling of mere criminal dictatorships no one wants to bother with, and a stand-off among PRC, Russia, and India. The memory of an America to which people yearning for freedom could repair will fade along with that of the Britannia that made the seas safe for world trade for most of two centuries.

Nobody seems to care that the sharks will starve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happens when there are no other territories to which the dissatisfied may emigrate? </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not that far off. The posing Leftist expatriates of the U.S. could call Republicans &#8220;Nazis&#8221; and &#8220;Fascists&#8221; without consequence. They could come and go as they pleased, advance to top University posts, grow rich from the publishing proceeds from their rants, and retire to live on their trust accounts, royalties, and &#8220;four-oh-wonks.&#8221;</p>
<p>The countries to which they relocated had been for centuries famously tolerant of dissidents from OTHER countries, if not so scrupulous in protecting the rights of their own domestic critics. For those countries still smarting from lost empire, it was always satisfying regardless of local partisan issues, to be able to spit in the eye of the arrogant Americaines.</p>
<p>In a complex ballet of retreat before Islamic militancy, the Western European societies have been relentlessly curtailing the freedoms of their own people. Part of this is sheer pissing cowardice. Part of this is the self-imposed distortion of cradle-to-grave meddling in the lives of subjects. From those subjects, taxes are extracted by one bureaucracy in order to support another bureaucracy the task of which is to promulgate an encyclopedic list of incomprehensible rules used by the bureaucrats to justify distributing largesse as they see fit. </p>
<p>Those countries slide ever more deeply into real fascism and thought control. The Jihadists in their manifold incarnations press on the soft borders of &#8220;Dar-al-Harb&#8221; and exact concessions from the secular previously &#8220;liberal&#8221; regimes. We hurtle toward a worldwide community consisting of Islamic states competing for the chance to devour the European socialist states, a sprinkling of mere criminal dictatorships no one wants to bother with, and a stand-off among PRC, Russia, and India. The memory of an America to which people yearning for freedom could repair will fade along with that of the Britannia that made the seas safe for world trade for most of two centuries.</p>
<p>Nobody seems to care that the sharks will starve.</p>
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		<title>By: noprisoners</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 03:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, ALL of Africa is in this shape, or worse, when all things are considered.  I have spent time in Nigeria.  On one flight home, I tried to develop a plan that would make Nigeria a functioning entity.  I had met with President Obasanjo and the wife of the Vice-President.  My first thought that Nigeria should be &quot;recolonized&quot;.  But, by whom?  Someone must eliminate the &quot;big man&quot; philosophy that dominates the country.  I think that that can only be an outside power.  The U.S. might be capable; but, I don&#039;t think that is prudent.

Finally, I decided that all of Africa is not worth finding a social solution.  The Chinese have the right idea.  They will exploit the minerals and riches of the continent and rule the indiginent people with a heavy hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, ALL of Africa is in this shape, or worse, when all things are considered.  I have spent time in Nigeria.  On one flight home, I tried to develop a plan that would make Nigeria a functioning entity.  I had met with President Obasanjo and the wife of the Vice-President.  My first thought that Nigeria should be &#8220;recolonized&#8221;.  But, by whom?  Someone must eliminate the &#8220;big man&#8221; philosophy that dominates the country.  I think that that can only be an outside power.  The U.S. might be capable; but, I don&#8217;t think that is prudent.</p>
<p>Finally, I decided that all of Africa is not worth finding a social solution.  The Chinese have the right idea.  They will exploit the minerals and riches of the continent and rule the indiginent people with a heavy hand.</p>
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		<title>By: Eggplant</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/04/25/zuma/#comment-49010</link>
		<dc:creator>Eggplant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 03:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Without question the treatment of the Cape Coloreds by the Afrikaaners during apartheid was an utter disgrace.  However with the ANC now firmly in control of the Republic, the Afrikaaner&#039;s previous sins are almost irrelevant.  The townships around Capetown are almost as nasty as those around Joburg (which are nasty beyond belief).  The Bantu can over power anything the whites or coloreds can do through shear weight of numbers.  South Africa is past political solutions.  

It&#039;s time to cut-and-run if you can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without question the treatment of the Cape Coloreds by the Afrikaaners during apartheid was an utter disgrace.  However with the ANC now firmly in control of the Republic, the Afrikaaner&#8217;s previous sins are almost irrelevant.  The townships around Capetown are almost as nasty as those around Joburg (which are nasty beyond belief).  The Bantu can over power anything the whites or coloreds can do through shear weight of numbers.  South Africa is past political solutions.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s time to cut-and-run if you can.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexis</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/04/25/zuma/#comment-48863</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 17:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think South Africa will necessarily go the way of Zimbabwe.  The ANC&#039;s position isn&#039;t quite as powerful as the ZANU-PF in Zimbabwe.

One key difference is the Western Cape, especially Cape Town itself.  If things get bad in the east, there is a chance that Cape Town would turn into a new laager.

South Africa isn&#039;t just about black and white.  One of the nasty aspects of apartheid is how it disenfranchised the Cape Coloreds whose language is Afrikaans (or some version thereof).  Moreover, it is not as though the Cape Coloreds aren&#039;t native to the Cape; their heritage is a mixture of Khoi, San, Malay, Dutch, English, Bantu, and many other groups.  If anything, they would feel more trapped than white people.

If the fertilizer hits the fan, it is quite possible that Cape Town won&#039;t fall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think South Africa will necessarily go the way of Zimbabwe.  The ANC&#8217;s position isn&#8217;t quite as powerful as the ZANU-PF in Zimbabwe.</p>
<p>One key difference is the Western Cape, especially Cape Town itself.  If things get bad in the east, there is a chance that Cape Town would turn into a new laager.</p>
<p>South Africa isn&#8217;t just about black and white.  One of the nasty aspects of apartheid is how it disenfranchised the Cape Coloreds whose language is Afrikaans (or some version thereof).  Moreover, it is not as though the Cape Coloreds aren&#8217;t native to the Cape; their heritage is a mixture of Khoi, San, Malay, Dutch, English, Bantu, and many other groups.  If anything, they would feel more trapped than white people.</p>
<p>If the fertilizer hits the fan, it is quite possible that Cape Town won&#8217;t fall.</p>
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		<title>By: RAH</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/04/25/zuma/#comment-48780</link>
		<dc:creator>RAH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 12:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eggplant is right , sell and get out especially if you are white. South Africa will go the way of Rhodesia. The whites who gave up power will reap the consequences of  their poor sense of power politics.

Even if they can not  get decent money take any offer and leave for Europe or USA.
 They will lose the properties and their lives if they stay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eggplant is right , sell and get out especially if you are white. South Africa will go the way of Rhodesia. The whites who gave up power will reap the consequences of  their poor sense of power politics.</p>
<p>Even if they can not  get decent money take any offer and leave for Europe or USA.<br />
 They will lose the properties and their lives if they stay.</p>
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		<title>By: onlooker</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/04/25/zuma/#comment-48746</link>
		<dc:creator>onlooker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 06:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>65.9% is 0.8% off 2/3rds majority. so, this is cold comfort, as all it takes to pass legislation is to get co-operation from one of the smaller parties....

so, officially they did not get 2/3 majority, but in actuallity they may still......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>65.9% is 0.8% off 2/3rds majority. so, this is cold comfort, as all it takes to pass legislation is to get co-operation from one of the smaller parties&#8230;.</p>
<p>so, officially they did not get 2/3 majority, but in actuallity they may still&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alexis</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/04/25/zuma/#comment-48742</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 06:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is an off chance that people throughout the world will be hearing more about Helen Zille in future years...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is an off chance that people throughout the world will be hearing more about Helen Zille in future years&#8230;</p>
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