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		<title>By: Oh, bother</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/04/24/while-other-monsters-roamed-the-earth/#comment-48978</link>
		<dc:creator>Oh, bother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 01:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NahnCee, I share your aversion for people who analogize their lives to science fiction.

Having said that, can anyone remember the name and author of the science fiction post-apocalyptic short story of a grandfather who tells his grandkids bedtime stories of the old days when we had cars, plumbing, and electricity, and every night he winds up crying, and the kids can&#039;t imagine why? I was reading about our hellbent drive to marxism and a vague memory of this story came to me....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NahnCee, I share your aversion for people who analogize their lives to science fiction.</p>
<p>Having said that, can anyone remember the name and author of the science fiction post-apocalyptic short story of a grandfather who tells his grandkids bedtime stories of the old days when we had cars, plumbing, and electricity, and every night he winds up crying, and the kids can&#8217;t imagine why? I was reading about our hellbent drive to marxism and a vague memory of this story came to me&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Oh, bother</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/04/24/while-other-monsters-roamed-the-earth/#comment-48975</link>
		<dc:creator>Oh, bother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 01:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. Now I know why Mom never let me read Dr. Seuss.

L3 says much of what I was thinking. Being alarmingly innumerate myself, I would never have caught the AGW alarmists except that I have a good grounding in geologic and human history. For those looking for, ahem,  a breath of fresh air let me recommend Anthony Watts&#039; site, wattsupwiththat.com. Lotsa physics for those who understand such things yet friendly to the rest of us. The tide is turning, and we have Old Sol to thank for it. Good science will prevail over cultic swindlers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Now I know why Mom never let me read Dr. Seuss.</p>
<p>L3 says much of what I was thinking. Being alarmingly innumerate myself, I would never have caught the AGW alarmists except that I have a good grounding in geologic and human history. For those looking for, ahem,  a breath of fresh air let me recommend Anthony Watts&#8217; site, wattsupwiththat.com. Lotsa physics for those who understand such things yet friendly to the rest of us. The tide is turning, and we have Old Sol to thank for it. Good science will prevail over cultic swindlers.</p>
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		<title>By: buddy larsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>buddy larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 05:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh, i guess so. actually, it should be [ &quot;but&quot; little lambsey divy ]. since you asked --i had been leaning toward leaving it as is, with the &quot;and&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh, i guess so. actually, it should be [ "but" little lambsey divy ]. since you asked &#8211;i had been leaning toward leaving it as is, with the &#8220;and&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: JWT</title>
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		<dc:creator>JWT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 03:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buddy,

Time&#039;s up, is that your final edit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buddy,</p>
<p>Time&#8217;s up, is that your final edit?</p>
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		<title>By: buddy larsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>buddy larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 02:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mairzy doats
and dozey doats
and little lambsey divy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mairzy doats<br />
and dozey doats<br />
and little lambsey divy</p>
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		<title>By: JWT</title>
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		<dc:creator>JWT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 02:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fiddler, Buddy:

Keen-shooter, mean-shooter, bean-shooter bugs.

What&#039;s not to like?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fiddler, Buddy:</p>
<p>Keen-shooter, mean-shooter, bean-shooter bugs.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s not to like?</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 02:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely need Jamie&#039;s opinion on # 56!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely need Jamie&#8217;s opinion on # 56!</p>
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		<title>By: buddy larsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>buddy larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 01:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mad fiddler --imho, it&#039;s the witless execution. a cartoon has to have wit in the drawn lines. a picture of something not necessarily funny is made funny (or fun) by the way the lines look and evoke and suggest. Dr Seuss tries for funny  with pictures of things that would look funny if they were real and not cartoons, but forgets all about the line execution. IOW he&#039;s always explaining the joke but never telling it. the drawing itself per se, the pencil handling, is dead dull witless waste --and dispensible, the story would be better text only. but that shouldn&#039;t piss you off like that. something else pisses you off, probably that everybody says he&#039;s good, you know he isn&#039;t --and this makes you hate your fellow human cartoon-lovers. and THAT pisses you off. 

now that i think about, it pisses me off too. thanks a mil, just what i needed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mad fiddler &#8211;imho, it&#8217;s the witless execution. a cartoon has to have wit in the drawn lines. a picture of something not necessarily funny is made funny (or fun) by the way the lines look and evoke and suggest. Dr Seuss tries for funny  with pictures of things that would look funny if they were real and not cartoons, but forgets all about the line execution. IOW he&#8217;s always explaining the joke but never telling it. the drawing itself per se, the pencil handling, is dead dull witless waste &#8211;and dispensible, the story would be better text only. but that shouldn&#8217;t piss you off like that. something else pisses you off, probably that everybody says he&#8217;s good, you know he isn&#8217;t &#8211;and this makes you hate your fellow human cartoon-lovers. and THAT pisses you off. </p>
<p>now that i think about, it pisses me off too. thanks a mil, just what i needed!</p>
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		<title>By: buddy larsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>buddy larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 01:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>L3, beautifully argued. Perfect storm #9, weak K-12 authority, motivation, execution, vibrating against sybaritic anti-authoritarian pop culture. Where to attack? First enemy is probably the cynicism that is the result of the former. New energy has to short circuit. These kids need a hero corps, a hero corps would need heros ready to sacrifice themselves to service &amp; poverty --like monks and nuns of olde.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>L3, beautifully argued. Perfect storm #9, weak K-12 authority, motivation, execution, vibrating against sybaritic anti-authoritarian pop culture. Where to attack? First enemy is probably the cynicism that is the result of the former. New energy has to short circuit. These kids need a hero corps, a hero corps would need heros ready to sacrifice themselves to service &amp; poverty &#8211;like monks and nuns of olde.</p>
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		<title>By: Leo Linbeck III</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leo Linbeck III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 00:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, I guess I have a different take on this issue.

I&#039;m not at all worried about the 12-year-old tunaphobe. Any kid whose parents can afford to take them to a restaurant where seared tuna is on the menu will, by the end of their senior year in high school, be able to read, write, and calculate well enough to enter college and get a degree. These kids will likely enter the workforce, make good money, pay their taxes, and vote. Over time, armed with enough literacy and numeracy, they will come to see that the environmental movement is anti-human; after all, the ecos hardly mask their hostility to &lt;i&gt;homo sapiens sapiens&lt;/i&gt;.

Now if they choose to live in a liberal bubble like the West Village or Haight-Asbury, they&#039;ll still believe all this gobbledygook. But, then, that&#039;s the way they&#039;d believe regardless of what they learned in 3rd grade, because those bubbles generally operate on, and attract people to, a collective identity narrative that is impervious to logic, reason, and data. The good news is that these bubbles are small, electorally-speaking.

No, the big danger to our republic is the mass of urban children who either don&#039;t graduate from high school (&gt;50% nationally), or graduate with such minimal skills that they are dependent upon their &quot;betters&quot; in the political world. Without the ability to read, write, figure, and think critically, they are easily manipulated by the latest purveyor of snake-oil.

Since Plato (at least), it has been well-known that a republic relies upon an educated populace. Circumstances and environments change, and it is the ability for the citizen to assess these changes &lt;i&gt;themselves,&lt;/i&gt; without the &quot;leadership&quot; of the so-called elite, that allows them to make good decisions as a collective, through the ballot box.

What we are seeing in the AGW movement is an attempt to leverage widespread ignorance into political power through the liberal application of arguments from authority. This style of argumentation is most effective on those who are intimidated by smart people, and it is a lot easier to intimidate the illiterate.

So, at the end of the day, I&#039;m not as concerned that kids are learning the wrong stuff (though this is still a concern). I&#039;m much more concerned that kids are being rendered &lt;i&gt;incapable of learning and thinking on their own,&lt;/i&gt; and it is this incapacity that leaves them open to the demagoguery that characterizes the proponents of AGW.

And it is this incapacity that puts our republic at risk.

L3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, I guess I have a different take on this issue.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not at all worried about the 12-year-old tunaphobe. Any kid whose parents can afford to take them to a restaurant where seared tuna is on the menu will, by the end of their senior year in high school, be able to read, write, and calculate well enough to enter college and get a degree. These kids will likely enter the workforce, make good money, pay their taxes, and vote. Over time, armed with enough literacy and numeracy, they will come to see that the environmental movement is anti-human; after all, the ecos hardly mask their hostility to <i>homo sapiens sapiens</i>.</p>
<p>Now if they choose to live in a liberal bubble like the West Village or Haight-Asbury, they&#8217;ll still believe all this gobbledygook. But, then, that&#8217;s the way they&#8217;d believe regardless of what they learned in 3rd grade, because those bubbles generally operate on, and attract people to, a collective identity narrative that is impervious to logic, reason, and data. The good news is that these bubbles are small, electorally-speaking.</p>
<p>No, the big danger to our republic is the mass of urban children who either don&#8217;t graduate from high school (&gt;50% nationally), or graduate with such minimal skills that they are dependent upon their &#8220;betters&#8221; in the political world. Without the ability to read, write, figure, and think critically, they are easily manipulated by the latest purveyor of snake-oil.</p>
<p>Since Plato (at least), it has been well-known that a republic relies upon an educated populace. Circumstances and environments change, and it is the ability for the citizen to assess these changes <i>themselves,</i> without the &#8220;leadership&#8221; of the so-called elite, that allows them to make good decisions as a collective, through the ballot box.</p>
<p>What we are seeing in the AGW movement is an attempt to leverage widespread ignorance into political power through the liberal application of arguments from authority. This style of argumentation is most effective on those who are intimidated by smart people, and it is a lot easier to intimidate the illiterate.</p>
<p>So, at the end of the day, I&#8217;m not as concerned that kids are learning the wrong stuff (though this is still a concern). I&#8217;m much more concerned that kids are being rendered <i>incapable of learning and thinking on their own,</i> and it is this incapacity that leaves them open to the demagoguery that characterizes the proponents of AGW.</p>
<p>And it is this incapacity that puts our republic at risk.</p>
<p>L3</p>
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