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		<title>By: marymcl</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/04/14/culture-post-of-the-day/#comment-47197</link>
		<dc:creator>marymcl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 14:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marie Claude - I&#039;m happy to help raise the level of conversation. Also I agree. Common sense says the word &#039;I&#039; denotes a state of self-reflection and abstraction we don&#039;t start out with but rather mature into.  Funny you should mention Durer - I&#039;ve got a print of the hare hanging on the wall in front of me ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marie Claude &#8211; I&#8217;m happy to help raise the level of conversation. Also I agree. Common sense says the word &#8216;I&#8217; denotes a state of self-reflection and abstraction we don&#8217;t start out with but rather mature into.  Funny you should mention Durer &#8211; I&#8217;ve got a print of the hare hanging on the wall in front of me <img src='http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Marie Claude</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie Claude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 05:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>may-be cuz the conversation had a higher level too :lol:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>may-be cuz the conversation had a higher level too <img src='http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Lifeofthemind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lifeofthemind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 05:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Marie Claude&lt;/b&gt;,
Isn&#039;t it amazing how all of a sudden your English improved?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Marie Claude</b>,<br />
Isn&#8217;t it amazing how all of a sudden your English improved?</p>
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		<title>By: Marie Claude</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie Claude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 04:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charles, MaryMcl,

if you are attentive at how a young child develops its language, you get a key on how the expression of the &quot;I&quot; and &quot;you&quot;  evolved.
This could  applied for the beginning of the humankind too.

A young child when he talks of itself doesn&#039;t say I, but rather its name, eg suzy wants cake, then me wants cake, finally I want cake.

The fact that this child says &quot;suzy&quot; means that she is imitating  what she heard,  that she is referring to the object suzy that she see in a mirror, just useful to indicate that she wants something.
She could have imitated another language, hand signs, eyes glances...
That was the case for primitive civilisations, humans only need a few key sounds that referred to a precise object to express their needs. There was no space for expressing a personal emotion. If you still know elder couples, they hardly talk of their emotions, but they can be read through gestures, or glances

the &quot;I&quot; means that she has become counscious of herself, that she can &quot;create&quot; an emotion in order to influence her &quot;cour&quot;.

The &quot;I&quot; in history of Art appeared at Renaissance, when Dürer made the first autoportrait. Before, painting only concerned religious  or mythological themas. From a codified art and artesancraft, painting became &quot;liberal&quot; (free) and &quot;intellectual&quot; the autoportrait of Dürer is a representation of what he wanted that he others saw and understood of him, a person with a certain social statut, with a certain style, which  was personal to the artist. The fact that he had this personal and intelligent expression of himself, allowed him to participate to the ideas exchanges of the society where he lived and thus influence it.From then the painters became personalities that could compete with scientists, philosophes, writers, often the artist was them altogether.

So the expression of the &quot;I&quot; and or &quot;you&quot;, means that you have reached the abstraction grade, that words don&#039;t only mean a concrete object, but that you can influence your environment.

sorry a bit long, but my &quot;dada&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles, MaryMcl,</p>
<p>if you are attentive at how a young child develops its language, you get a key on how the expression of the &#8220;I&#8221; and &#8220;you&#8221;  evolved.<br />
This could  applied for the beginning of the humankind too.</p>
<p>A young child when he talks of itself doesn&#8217;t say I, but rather its name, eg suzy wants cake, then me wants cake, finally I want cake.</p>
<p>The fact that this child says &#8220;suzy&#8221; means that she is imitating  what she heard,  that she is referring to the object suzy that she see in a mirror, just useful to indicate that she wants something.<br />
She could have imitated another language, hand signs, eyes glances&#8230;<br />
That was the case for primitive civilisations, humans only need a few key sounds that referred to a precise object to express their needs. There was no space for expressing a personal emotion. If you still know elder couples, they hardly talk of their emotions, but they can be read through gestures, or glances</p>
<p>the &#8220;I&#8221; means that she has become counscious of herself, that she can &#8220;create&#8221; an emotion in order to influence her &#8220;cour&#8221;.</p>
<p>The &#8220;I&#8221; in history of Art appeared at Renaissance, when Dürer made the first autoportrait. Before, painting only concerned religious  or mythological themas. From a codified art and artesancraft, painting became &#8220;liberal&#8221; (free) and &#8220;intellectual&#8221; the autoportrait of Dürer is a representation of what he wanted that he others saw and understood of him, a person with a certain social statut, with a certain style, which  was personal to the artist. The fact that he had this personal and intelligent expression of himself, allowed him to participate to the ideas exchanges of the society where he lived and thus influence it.From then the painters became personalities that could compete with scientists, philosophes, writers, often the artist was them altogether.</p>
<p>So the expression of the &#8220;I&#8221; and or &#8220;you&#8221;, means that you have reached the abstraction grade, that words don&#8217;t only mean a concrete object, but that you can influence your environment.</p>
<p>sorry a bit long, but my &#8220;dada&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Habu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Habu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 20:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cornfuzed

Now that I&#039;ve received The Diamond Encrusted Order of the Eagles with Gold Medallions, Crossed Poniards, and a big black,red, and gold ribbon, hell I don&#039;t care.

I just feel good about life. Lots to be thankful for. I feel like the rajah who just roasted a big elephant.

But thanks for noticing. Have a nice day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cornfuzed</p>
<p>Now that I&#8217;ve received The Diamond Encrusted Order of the Eagles with Gold Medallions, Crossed Poniards, and a big black,red, and gold ribbon, hell I don&#8217;t care.</p>
<p>I just feel good about life. Lots to be thankful for. I feel like the rajah who just roasted a big elephant.</p>
<p>But thanks for noticing. Have a nice day.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 16:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, missed thread.</description>
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		<title>By: cornfuzed</title>
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		<dc:creator>cornfuzed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>9. Habu:  about your birthday  ?    need you ask ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>9. Habu:  about your birthday  ?    need you ask ?</p>
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		<title>By: Agoraphobic Plumber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Agoraphobic Plumber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 13:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But what kind of person is a short seller; a blackhearted destroyer that’s who.&quot;

Disagree.  I&#039;ve never personally shorted anything directly in my life...I don&#039;t have the capital to be playing in the market.  But it&#039;s one of the soundest defensive investment practices there is.  You can&#039;t lose all your money like you can going long.  Plus, these guys don&#039;t MAKE stocks go down.  They just predict it.  And in a lot of cases, that&#039;s not all that difficult to do.

NAKED short selling, you have a point.  People making money should always have to put up their own money to make it.  Ditto with insider trading, but then that&#039;s bad going long as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But what kind of person is a short seller; a blackhearted destroyer that’s who.&#8221;</p>
<p>Disagree.  I&#8217;ve never personally shorted anything directly in my life&#8230;I don&#8217;t have the capital to be playing in the market.  But it&#8217;s one of the soundest defensive investment practices there is.  You can&#8217;t lose all your money like you can going long.  Plus, these guys don&#8217;t MAKE stocks go down.  They just predict it.  And in a lot of cases, that&#8217;s not all that difficult to do.</p>
<p>NAKED short selling, you have a point.  People making money should always have to put up their own money to make it.  Ditto with insider trading, but then that&#8217;s bad going long as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Unsk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Unsk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 06:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blert @ #36

Many of Wall Street&#039;s most successful hedge funds are run by short seller&#039;s:
Soros, Julian Robertsen, Jim Chanos, John Paulsen and Phillip Falcone. These guys almost to a man support Obama. These guys also made billions or near billions in the collapse. Gee,  I wonder why?

But what kind of person is a short seller; a blackhearted destroyer that&#039;s who. These people aren&#039;t building anything; they profit from tearing apart companies and their investors. Inflicting pain and creating chaos. They also profit tremendously from smears and market manipulation. And manipulate they did, with no one to stop them, because their friends are in charge of the markets. 

The fact that all the big investment banks were involved in naked short selling is even more distressing when you figure all the Treasury Secretaries from Clinton on to Obama ( including Bush) were from those  very same investment banks.  None of these guys favored tax cuts, (even Bush&#039;s guys). None favored market transparency or reform of the markets. None were strong Capitalists. None did anything to stop the easing of capital reserve requirements of  investment banks or the abuses of the CDS. And it&#039;s hard to say that these guys didn&#039;t know what was going on. 

The oligarchy has successfully hidden behind the complexity and opaqueness of our financial system and just pulled the strings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blert @ #36</p>
<p>Many of Wall Street&#8217;s most successful hedge funds are run by short seller&#8217;s:<br />
Soros, Julian Robertsen, Jim Chanos, John Paulsen and Phillip Falcone. These guys almost to a man support Obama. These guys also made billions or near billions in the collapse. Gee,  I wonder why?</p>
<p>But what kind of person is a short seller; a blackhearted destroyer that&#8217;s who. These people aren&#8217;t building anything; they profit from tearing apart companies and their investors. Inflicting pain and creating chaos. They also profit tremendously from smears and market manipulation. And manipulate they did, with no one to stop them, because their friends are in charge of the markets. </p>
<p>The fact that all the big investment banks were involved in naked short selling is even more distressing when you figure all the Treasury Secretaries from Clinton on to Obama ( including Bush) were from those  very same investment banks.  None of these guys favored tax cuts, (even Bush&#8217;s guys). None favored market transparency or reform of the markets. None were strong Capitalists. None did anything to stop the easing of capital reserve requirements of  investment banks or the abuses of the CDS. And it&#8217;s hard to say that these guys didn&#8217;t know what was going on. </p>
<p>The oligarchy has successfully hidden behind the complexity and opaqueness of our financial system and just pulled the strings.</p>
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		<title>By: marymcl</title>
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		<dc:creator>marymcl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 03:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charles @39 -  What I&#039;m saying is I&#039;m skeptical of their conclusions because I don&#039;t trust their method and what&#039;s more I don&#039;t get what they&#039;re after. Words just floating around loose don&#039;t matter much, they have to combine with other words to make something of themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles @39 &#8211;  What I&#8217;m saying is I&#8217;m skeptical of their conclusions because I don&#8217;t trust their method and what&#8217;s more I don&#8217;t get what they&#8217;re after. Words just floating around loose don&#8217;t matter much, they have to combine with other words to make something of themselves.</p>
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