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		<title>By: Taunter</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/03/29/iran-and-north-korea/#comment-43672</link>
		<dc:creator>Taunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 04:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The test works both ways - we/Japan get to take a swing at it as well, under conditions where it is difficult to say exactly who did what.  If an interceptor misses, was it the US or Japan who fired, if both deny it?  If an Iranian surveillance ship sinks, who sank it?  

More here: http://tauntermedia.com/2009/03/29/quite-wily-like-his-old-man/

North Korea announced the test to flex its muscle.  That benefit has already been received.  Now they are the ones under pressure to deliver, while the rest of the world gets to sit back and take a good look at what they have.

Kim obviously feels that he needs a credible threat to strike the US.  Challenge is, once he has it, we have very little to talk about; he can&#039;t give it up, and we can&#039;t do much while he has it.

As for poster #22, for what it&#039;s worth, the atomic bomb was only &quot;invented&quot; once, by the US.  All other nations who have it got it by acquiring the American design:  
http://tauntermedia.com/2008/12/09/the-bomb/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The test works both ways &#8211; we/Japan get to take a swing at it as well, under conditions where it is difficult to say exactly who did what.  If an interceptor misses, was it the US or Japan who fired, if both deny it?  If an Iranian surveillance ship sinks, who sank it?  </p>
<p>More here: <a href="http://tauntermedia.com/2009/03/29/quite-wily-like-his-old-man/" rel="nofollow">http://tauntermedia.com/2009/03/29/quite-wily-like-his-old-man/</a></p>
<p>North Korea announced the test to flex its muscle.  That benefit has already been received.  Now they are the ones under pressure to deliver, while the rest of the world gets to sit back and take a good look at what they have.</p>
<p>Kim obviously feels that he needs a credible threat to strike the US.  Challenge is, once he has it, we have very little to talk about; he can&#8217;t give it up, and we can&#8217;t do much while he has it.</p>
<p>As for poster #22, for what it&#8217;s worth, the atomic bomb was only &#8220;invented&#8221; once, by the US.  All other nations who have it got it by acquiring the American design:<br />
<a href="http://tauntermedia.com/2008/12/09/the-bomb/" rel="nofollow">http://tauntermedia.com/2008/12/09/the-bomb/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 04:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About North Korea:   Go sink the Pueblo.

It is their symbol of invulnerability.  Sink it without warning or explanation.   

The KFR will soon be Gone With The Kimchi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About North Korea:   Go sink the Pueblo.</p>
<p>It is their symbol of invulnerability.  Sink it without warning or explanation.   </p>
<p>The KFR will soon be Gone With The Kimchi.</p>
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		<title>By: wretchard</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/03/29/iran-and-north-korea/#comment-43665</link>
		<dc:creator>wretchard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 03:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right after the destructive power of nuclear weapons was discovered a political consensus that they were too dangerous to proliferate emerged. A form of international &quot;gun control&quot;, if you like, implied that only the major powers (at the time of the end of the Second World War) could have the monopoly on nuclear violence, in a way analogous to the belief among many that only the police, or at least the uniformed army, should be allowed to carry weapons.

However, that consensus has been eroded by the aspirations of countries which want to use nuclear weapons for their own purposes. Slowly but surely the nuclear genie has been oozing out of the bottle. Pretty soon, perhaps inevitably, the world &quot;Thomas&quot; yearns for will come into existence. It is well known that once Iran gets the bomb, the Saudis will arm, with Egypt and Syria in close succession. Clearly if North Korea gets the bomb, then Japan and South Korea will very rapidly follow suit, and there will be pressure on Australia to follow. Again, to use the example of civil society, once gangs have armed themselves, then homeowners will acquire shotguns, automatic rifles, etc out of the need for self-preservation.

In many homes in Basilan, for example, there is an automatic rifle to hand. You would be a fool not to have one in such a lawless place. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ucanews.com/2002/03/15/priest-defends-option-to-carry-gun-in-southern-philippines/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Father Nacorda&lt;/a&gt;, a Catholic priest in Basilan, goes about tending his flock with a .45 in his waistband. Maybe universal armament will produce its own stability, of the kind that you find in tribal areas, where only the mad dog and the European pacifist goes out unarmed in the mid-day sun.

When the world &quot;Thomas&quot; yearns for comes, he may not like it. But then it will be too late.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right after the destructive power of nuclear weapons was discovered a political consensus that they were too dangerous to proliferate emerged. A form of international &#8220;gun control&#8221;, if you like, implied that only the major powers (at the time of the end of the Second World War) could have the monopoly on nuclear violence, in a way analogous to the belief among many that only the police, or at least the uniformed army, should be allowed to carry weapons.</p>
<p>However, that consensus has been eroded by the aspirations of countries which want to use nuclear weapons for their own purposes. Slowly but surely the nuclear genie has been oozing out of the bottle. Pretty soon, perhaps inevitably, the world &#8220;Thomas&#8221; yearns for will come into existence. It is well known that once Iran gets the bomb, the Saudis will arm, with Egypt and Syria in close succession. Clearly if North Korea gets the bomb, then Japan and South Korea will very rapidly follow suit, and there will be pressure on Australia to follow. Again, to use the example of civil society, once gangs have armed themselves, then homeowners will acquire shotguns, automatic rifles, etc out of the need for self-preservation.</p>
<p>In many homes in Basilan, for example, there is an automatic rifle to hand. You would be a fool not to have one in such a lawless place. <a href="http://www.ucanews.com/2002/03/15/priest-defends-option-to-carry-gun-in-southern-philippines/" rel="nofollow">Father Nacorda</a>, a Catholic priest in Basilan, goes about tending his flock with a .45 in his waistband. Maybe universal armament will produce its own stability, of the kind that you find in tribal areas, where only the mad dog and the European pacifist goes out unarmed in the mid-day sun.</p>
<p>When the world &#8220;Thomas&#8221; yearns for comes, he may not like it. But then it will be too late.</p>
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		<title>By: what is occupation</title>
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		<dc:creator>what is occupation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 03:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Thomas...

Israel and the Western Nations that have Nuclear technology INVENTED it...  Whereas Iran, Pakistan stole it...

Iran, threatens to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth and seek WMD, personally?  I hope that Iran seeks Nuclear weapons then Israel will have the RIGHT to WIPE Iran off the face of the Earth in self defense...

If you really think that &quot;All Countries&quot; have a right to seek nuclear power for their own purposes and those purposes are to destroy the West &amp; Israel then your in for a rude awakening.............

If most of the world, who has signed the NPT, week nuclear power they can get it..  However Iran, North Korea &amp; Syria all have violated international laws and have records of violence against innocents...

Now you may not like the West or Israel...

To which i must say...

tuff shit....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Thomas&#8230;</p>
<p>Israel and the Western Nations that have Nuclear technology INVENTED it&#8230;  Whereas Iran, Pakistan stole it&#8230;</p>
<p>Iran, threatens to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth and seek WMD, personally?  I hope that Iran seeks Nuclear weapons then Israel will have the RIGHT to WIPE Iran off the face of the Earth in self defense&#8230;</p>
<p>If you really think that &#8220;All Countries&#8221; have a right to seek nuclear power for their own purposes and those purposes are to destroy the West &amp; Israel then your in for a rude awakening&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>If most of the world, who has signed the NPT, week nuclear power they can get it..  However Iran, North Korea &amp; Syria all have violated international laws and have records of violence against innocents&#8230;</p>
<p>Now you may not like the West or Israel&#8230;</p>
<p>To which i must say&#8230;</p>
<p>tuff shit&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 03:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the U.S., the Western nations and Isreal can have neclear weapons, then why not other countries.  It that being fair or what?  Now almost most countries can produced this kind of neclear power either for peaceful use or military uses.  Why is the American or the Isreal be so special and be exampted from being sanction by others.  All countries have the right to have nuclear power for their own purpose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the U.S., the Western nations and Isreal can have neclear weapons, then why not other countries.  It that being fair or what?  Now almost most countries can produced this kind of neclear power either for peaceful use or military uses.  Why is the American or the Isreal be so special and be exampted from being sanction by others.  All countries have the right to have nuclear power for their own purpose.</p>
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		<title>By: what is occupation</title>
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		<dc:creator>what is occupation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 01:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not shoot the plane full of Iranians down?

Talk peace while taking out their assets...

sounds like a plan..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not shoot the plane full of Iranians down?</p>
<p>Talk peace while taking out their assets&#8230;</p>
<p>sounds like a plan..</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Welikala</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Welikala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 23:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a born-again, Bible Believing, Fundy  Christian I am not one bit surprised at the way our world is heading towards Armageddon.  So far all prophecies in the Holy Bible have come true 100% accurately 100% of the time.  What is yet to be fulfilled will surely and definitely come to pass.  just wait and see...this year and the next year are extremely crucial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a born-again, Bible Believing, Fundy  Christian I am not one bit surprised at the way our world is heading towards Armageddon.  So far all prophecies in the Holy Bible have come true 100% accurately 100% of the time.  What is yet to be fulfilled will surely and definitely come to pass.  just wait and see&#8230;this year and the next year are extremely crucial.</p>
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		<title>By: blert</title>
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		<dc:creator>blert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 23:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It remains to be seen if China can flesh out her anti-NATO [the SCO] in a world of crashing output.

She seems bound and determined to a multi-variate alliance of the food impoverished and backward lands in this world.

With a navy in absolutely no position to defend far distant economic assets China is still stuck in a vastly inferior strategic position.

I read positive economic news reports from China by interested parties. It&#039;s mighty reassuring to get my ground truth from the Communist Party of China -- they&#039;d never manipulate statistics like the BLS does.

It&#039;s not like China built a fifteen-year overhead supply of Class A office space in her major cities -- my bad, she did.

It&#039;s not like she&#039;s hit the classic growth model wall like Japan or Korea -- my bad, she did.

The First Economic World War is going to collapse a lot of nations. If H gets his way, that will include the USA.

All of the trailing members of the economic herd are toast. Britain looks done for -- thank you Labor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It remains to be seen if China can flesh out her anti-NATO [the SCO] in a world of crashing output.</p>
<p>She seems bound and determined to a multi-variate alliance of the food impoverished and backward lands in this world.</p>
<p>With a navy in absolutely no position to defend far distant economic assets China is still stuck in a vastly inferior strategic position.</p>
<p>I read positive economic news reports from China by interested parties. It&#8217;s mighty reassuring to get my ground truth from the Communist Party of China &#8212; they&#8217;d never manipulate statistics like the BLS does.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not like China built a fifteen-year overhead supply of Class A office space in her major cities &#8212; my bad, she did.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not like she&#8217;s hit the classic growth model wall like Japan or Korea &#8212; my bad, she did.</p>
<p>The First Economic World War is going to collapse a lot of nations. If H gets his way, that will include the USA.</p>
<p>All of the trailing members of the economic herd are toast. Britain looks done for &#8212; thank you Labor.</p>
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		<title>By: blert</title>
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		<dc:creator>blert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 22:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The poor harvests that are sure to come will pretty much ensure that KFR dissolves in an agony of blood.

It is becoming increasingly apparent that her own security forces are now co-opted by capitalism and corruption -- a pretty recent event -- and that is one key reason why KFR is blocking the import of US food aid. (Too much of which was getting shunted by his control.)

No, it&#039;s going to be the four horsemen, okay, maybe just three...

But the KFR is going down.

It&#039;s a reasonable bet that Iran, Russia and Venezuela also go under. 

I find it hard to believe that Iran does not provoke open hostilities before summer is out. These arms transshipments via Sudan indicate that she is another client state for the mullahs and China, the master patron.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The poor harvests that are sure to come will pretty much ensure that KFR dissolves in an agony of blood.</p>
<p>It is becoming increasingly apparent that her own security forces are now co-opted by capitalism and corruption &#8212; a pretty recent event &#8212; and that is one key reason why KFR is blocking the import of US food aid. (Too much of which was getting shunted by his control.)</p>
<p>No, it&#8217;s going to be the four horsemen, okay, maybe just three&#8230;</p>
<p>But the KFR is going down.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a reasonable bet that Iran, Russia and Venezuela also go under. </p>
<p>I find it hard to believe that Iran does not provoke open hostilities before summer is out. These arms transshipments via Sudan indicate that she is another client state for the mullahs and China, the master patron.</p>
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		<title>By: Bud</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 22:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever! Did anyone see the last American Idol?!</description>
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