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		<title>By: always right</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/03/29/5-4-3-2-1-negotiations/#comment-44024</link>
		<dc:creator>always right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Many indigenous Taiwanese fought on side of Japan, FYI.&lt;/i&gt;

Under Japanese rule, Taiwanese were second class citizens.  And those who fought on the sice of Japan?  One word, conscripted.  Women, too, as camp followers.  Tons of them.

Hated was the word.  As for nowadays, there is still deep down mis-trust agasint the Japanese.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Many indigenous Taiwanese fought on side of Japan, FYI.</i></p>
<p>Under Japanese rule, Taiwanese were second class citizens.  And those who fought on the sice of Japan?  One word, conscripted.  Women, too, as camp followers.  Tons of them.</p>
<p>Hated was the word.  As for nowadays, there is still deep down mis-trust agasint the Japanese.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 10:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im here in Japan. AEGIS cruisers of the US and Japanese navies have left port from Sasebo and patriot missile systems have been deployed around certain parts of the country. 

The TV news media and Japanese government are also preparing the public for the potential of that missile being shot down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im here in Japan. AEGIS cruisers of the US and Japanese navies have left port from Sasebo and patriot missile systems have been deployed around certain parts of the country. </p>
<p>The TV news media and Japanese government are also preparing the public for the potential of that missile being shot down.</p>
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		<title>By: twobyfour</title>
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		<dc:creator>twobyfour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 03:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 28 E Nigma
&lt;i&gt;The Taiwanese and South Koreans pretty much loathe the Japanese &lt;/i&gt;

SKors yes, Taiwanese, no. Formosa was in Japanese hands from 1895 to end of WWII and in general, that period was a time of prosperity, and is well regarded by Taiwanese historians. Many indigenous Taiwanese fought on side of Japan, FYI.
Indigenous Taiwanese are not Chinese and Kuomintang invasion was not readily accepted. The tensions between indigenous population and invaders were present until recently with the rise of nationalism (e.g. Taiwanese of Chinese origin considering themselves Taiwanese) and reconciliation of both groups.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ 28 E Nigma<br />
<i>The Taiwanese and South Koreans pretty much loathe the Japanese </i></p>
<p>SKors yes, Taiwanese, no. Formosa was in Japanese hands from 1895 to end of WWII and in general, that period was a time of prosperity, and is well regarded by Taiwanese historians. Many indigenous Taiwanese fought on side of Japan, FYI.<br />
Indigenous Taiwanese are not Chinese and Kuomintang invasion was not readily accepted. The tensions between indigenous population and invaders were present until recently with the rise of nationalism (e.g. Taiwanese of Chinese origin considering themselves Taiwanese) and reconciliation of both groups.</p>
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		<title>By: Triton'sPolarTiger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Triton'sPolarTiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 03:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OT - http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/20625.html

Am I overreacting to say that a massive line has just been crossed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT &#8211; <a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/20625.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/20625.html</a></p>
<p>Am I overreacting to say that a massive line has just been crossed?</p>
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		<title>By: programmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>programmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 01:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OT - maybe...

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30mMVq2nEnQ&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Space wars&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT &#8211; maybe&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30mMVq2nEnQ" rel="nofollow">Space wars</a></p>
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		<title>By: E. Nigma</title>
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		<dc:creator>E. Nigma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 01:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whiskey,
You got that right. The lion is not about to lay down with lamb, at least not in the near future. If America continues to signal ambiguity, nuance and similar pusilaminity in the face of the tinhorns of NoKo, what will the reaction be to China (our big creditor buddy) when they flex some muscle? Not every one in the world wants to bend over and grab their ankles and take it... well, you know.
The statement by Gates is incredible. But as Insta-Reynolds is wont to sarcastically say these days,&quot;The country is in the very best of hands.&quot;

The Taiwanese and South Koreans pretty much loathe the Japanese (as a group), but that may not preclude them from making a techno-military alliance in the near future. Japan has gotten a lot of US anti-missile technology, probably because of that cowboy Bush.

I wonder what the Obama Administration would think of THAT?  The world beginning to fractionate into dissolute power blocks?
I would blame Bush first, if I was Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whiskey,<br />
You got that right. The lion is not about to lay down with lamb, at least not in the near future. If America continues to signal ambiguity, nuance and similar pusilaminity in the face of the tinhorns of NoKo, what will the reaction be to China (our big creditor buddy) when they flex some muscle? Not every one in the world wants to bend over and grab their ankles and take it&#8230; well, you know.<br />
The statement by Gates is incredible. But as Insta-Reynolds is wont to sarcastically say these days,&#8221;The country is in the very best of hands.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Taiwanese and South Koreans pretty much loathe the Japanese (as a group), but that may not preclude them from making a techno-military alliance in the near future. Japan has gotten a lot of US anti-missile technology, probably because of that cowboy Bush.</p>
<p>I wonder what the Obama Administration would think of THAT?  The world beginning to fractionate into dissolute power blocks?<br />
I would blame Bush first, if I was Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: whiskey</title>
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		<dc:creator>whiskey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 00:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What this says is:

1. There are no limits to attacks on the US that will not be tolerate. IF a missile hits Honolulu, the US MIGHT send a sharply worded letter of regret.

That&#039;s about it.

2. Japan is on it&#039;s own.

3. South Korea and Taiwan are on their own.

4. The US has ceded the Pacific because Obama and Dems hate the military.

5. Neither Obama nor Dems would respond to any attack on the US by almost any enemy. Being religiously motivated in the UN, &quot;diplomacy&quot; and various feminized responses violence.

A more complete collapse of America culturally, economically, and militarily, through complete feminization of nearly every aspect of political culture, could not be imagined.

Naturally Japan will nuke up and have to create it&#039;s own navy, a whacking great big one, to protect itself and it&#039;s commercial interests. WHAT COULD GO WRONG THERE?

Naturally, South Korea, Taiwan, and Vietnam will nuke up too, as will Indonesia, Malaysia, and the Philippines. WHAT could go wrong with that, either?

Obama, Hillary, and the rest of the deeply feminized fools that respond to violence and threats with obeisance are only going to encourage more violence. In ever greater cycles, until we lose a few cities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What this says is:</p>
<p>1. There are no limits to attacks on the US that will not be tolerate. IF a missile hits Honolulu, the US MIGHT send a sharply worded letter of regret.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s about it.</p>
<p>2. Japan is on it&#8217;s own.</p>
<p>3. South Korea and Taiwan are on their own.</p>
<p>4. The US has ceded the Pacific because Obama and Dems hate the military.</p>
<p>5. Neither Obama nor Dems would respond to any attack on the US by almost any enemy. Being religiously motivated in the UN, &#8220;diplomacy&#8221; and various feminized responses violence.</p>
<p>A more complete collapse of America culturally, economically, and militarily, through complete feminization of nearly every aspect of political culture, could not be imagined.</p>
<p>Naturally Japan will nuke up and have to create it&#8217;s own navy, a whacking great big one, to protect itself and it&#8217;s commercial interests. WHAT COULD GO WRONG THERE?</p>
<p>Naturally, South Korea, Taiwan, and Vietnam will nuke up too, as will Indonesia, Malaysia, and the Philippines. WHAT could go wrong with that, either?</p>
<p>Obama, Hillary, and the rest of the deeply feminized fools that respond to violence and threats with obeisance are only going to encourage more violence. In ever greater cycles, until we lose a few cities.</p>
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		<title>By: blert</title>
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		<dc:creator>blert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 00:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got that on DVD...

The best part is the self-lamentation of Kim: I&#039;m So Ronry... it&#039;s a stitch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got that on DVD&#8230;</p>
<p>The best part is the self-lamentation of Kim: I&#8217;m So Ronry&#8230; it&#8217;s a stitch.</p>
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		<title>By: Subotai Bahadur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Subotai Bahadur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 00:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since January 20, 2009 the United States has been signalling to all of the world as loudly as it can that the United States has no intention of defending itself or any country that believes that it is an ally of the United States.  

If this launch does end up posing some sort of threat to Japan and/or South Korea; they and every country that has depended on us as a military ally will have to rethink their security situation.  Japan is believed to be able to assemble a credible nuclear deterrent with a few turns of a wrench.

South Korea has long has the means to begin building its own nukes.  In 1976 it cancelled its nuclear weapons program and signed the Non-Proliferation Treaty solely to preserve its defense relationship with the US.  If that relationship no longer can be relied on,  the only rational response is to restart the program.  

Similarly, there have been recurrent rumors that Taiwan has the ability to produce [or has produced] nuclear weapons.  Its program was officially shut down in 1993 at the demand of William Jefferson Clinton.  Still, looking at the development of indigenous Taiwanese missiles; the CEP&#039;s and ranges of several models make no sense with conventional warheads.  However, for counter-value targeting with nuclear weapons they make perfect sense.  It is noted that Taiwan was deeply involved in defense coordination and weapons production with both Israel and pre-Mandala South Africa.  Both partners developed nuclear weapons [South Africa destroyed theirs] and Taiwanese physicists [who helped us develop weapons during the Cold War]were deeply involved.  

If the US defense guarantee has no factual value, a sense of self-preservation means that smaller nations are going to either look for the modern equivalent of Sam Colt&#039;s equalizer, or to make whatever accomodation they can with the United States&#039; enemies.  

The world has become a far more dangerous place in the last 68 days.  And it is only the beginning.  

&lt;em&gt;  Nothing lasts forever but the Earth and Sky.&lt;/em&gt;

Subotai Bahadur</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since January 20, 2009 the United States has been signalling to all of the world as loudly as it can that the United States has no intention of defending itself or any country that believes that it is an ally of the United States.  </p>
<p>If this launch does end up posing some sort of threat to Japan and/or South Korea; they and every country that has depended on us as a military ally will have to rethink their security situation.  Japan is believed to be able to assemble a credible nuclear deterrent with a few turns of a wrench.</p>
<p>South Korea has long has the means to begin building its own nukes.  In 1976 it cancelled its nuclear weapons program and signed the Non-Proliferation Treaty solely to preserve its defense relationship with the US.  If that relationship no longer can be relied on,  the only rational response is to restart the program.  </p>
<p>Similarly, there have been recurrent rumors that Taiwan has the ability to produce [or has produced] nuclear weapons.  Its program was officially shut down in 1993 at the demand of William Jefferson Clinton.  Still, looking at the development of indigenous Taiwanese missiles; the CEP&#8217;s and ranges of several models make no sense with conventional warheads.  However, for counter-value targeting with nuclear weapons they make perfect sense.  It is noted that Taiwan was deeply involved in defense coordination and weapons production with both Israel and pre-Mandala South Africa.  Both partners developed nuclear weapons [South Africa destroyed theirs] and Taiwanese physicists [who helped us develop weapons during the Cold War]were deeply involved.  </p>
<p>If the US defense guarantee has no factual value, a sense of self-preservation means that smaller nations are going to either look for the modern equivalent of Sam Colt&#8217;s equalizer, or to make whatever accomodation they can with the United States&#8217; enemies.  </p>
<p>The world has become a far more dangerous place in the last 68 days.  And it is only the beginning.  </p>
<p><em>  Nothing lasts forever but the Earth and Sky.</em></p>
<p>Subotai Bahadur</p>
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		<title>By: Thrasymachus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thrasymachus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 00:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was trying to put up the excerpt of Hans Blix confronting Kim Jong Il in &quot;Team America World Police.&quot; Easy to find on YouTube if you want to laugh between the tears.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was trying to put up the excerpt of Hans Blix confronting Kim Jong Il in &#8220;Team America World Police.&#8221; Easy to find on YouTube if you want to laugh between the tears.</p>
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