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		<title>By: Meryl</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/03/15/pakistan-again/#comment-41056</link>
		<dc:creator>Meryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 03:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have the sickening feeling that the mid-level officials in our government (including many bureaucrats) are having a terrible time maintaining even status quo with re to unstable nations such as Pakistan for the simple reason that the mid-level officials in governments around the world can&#039;t even be sure at this point who to contact in the United States for support, intel survey/evaluation, etc. because of the complete malfeasance on the part of bambi&#039;s OJT crew.

Sorry that&#039;s such a long sentence, but there ya go.

Appreciate the insightful comments from those who know stuff......

I&#039;m afraid we&#039;ve living ugly history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have the sickening feeling that the mid-level officials in our government (including many bureaucrats) are having a terrible time maintaining even status quo with re to unstable nations such as Pakistan for the simple reason that the mid-level officials in governments around the world can&#8217;t even be sure at this point who to contact in the United States for support, intel survey/evaluation, etc. because of the complete malfeasance on the part of bambi&#8217;s OJT crew.</p>
<p>Sorry that&#8217;s such a long sentence, but there ya go.</p>
<p>Appreciate the insightful comments from those who know stuff&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid we&#8217;ve living ugly history.</p>
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		<title>By: Armeggedon Rex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Armeggedon Rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RAH &amp; davod:

RAH is correct in that the Paki medium range ballistic missiles and relatively short range cruise missiles are not a direct threat to the U.S. but are a significant threat to India.  None of the &quot;new&quot; nuclear powers have effective nuclear tipped ICBMs yet.  So, yes the direct threat to the U.S. comes from a nuclear warhead with a timer or radio command detonator shipped into the U.S. via ship, rail, air, or truck.  The inspections of third world nation air carriers sending jets to the U.S. is tighter than it was pre-9/11 but still has many gaping holes.  I&#039;m sure most of you have read the RAND study about Long Beach, so that needs no further comment other than to note that in spite of the dramatic lip service promising to tighten things up, little real progress has been made to ensure incoming cargo is thoroughly checked.  I don&#039;t believe I need to innumerate the flaws with U.S. / Mexican border controls to any Belmont Club commenters.  We&#039;re sitting ducks.  Eventually someone will smuggle in one or more nukes and detonate them in the hearts of U.S. cities.  It&#039;s a good reason to get back to a 1950s mentality.  Move out of the city; build a bomb shelter in the basement, stock up several weeks of canned food, potable water, etc.  

I can&#039;t comment on the myriad U.S. technologies that have made their way into Chinese hands except to say, the list is long and the damage, quite extensive.  I often hope our security and counter intelligence folks are given higher priority and less flack from congress and lawyers.  With less interference they could stop a great deal of skullduggery without stepping on any U.S. citizen’s rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RAH &amp; davod:</p>
<p>RAH is correct in that the Paki medium range ballistic missiles and relatively short range cruise missiles are not a direct threat to the U.S. but are a significant threat to India.  None of the &#8220;new&#8221; nuclear powers have effective nuclear tipped ICBMs yet.  So, yes the direct threat to the U.S. comes from a nuclear warhead with a timer or radio command detonator shipped into the U.S. via ship, rail, air, or truck.  The inspections of third world nation air carriers sending jets to the U.S. is tighter than it was pre-9/11 but still has many gaping holes.  I&#8217;m sure most of you have read the RAND study about Long Beach, so that needs no further comment other than to note that in spite of the dramatic lip service promising to tighten things up, little real progress has been made to ensure incoming cargo is thoroughly checked.  I don&#8217;t believe I need to innumerate the flaws with U.S. / Mexican border controls to any Belmont Club commenters.  We&#8217;re sitting ducks.  Eventually someone will smuggle in one or more nukes and detonate them in the hearts of U.S. cities.  It&#8217;s a good reason to get back to a 1950s mentality.  Move out of the city; build a bomb shelter in the basement, stock up several weeks of canned food, potable water, etc.  </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t comment on the myriad U.S. technologies that have made their way into Chinese hands except to say, the list is long and the damage, quite extensive.  I often hope our security and counter intelligence folks are given higher priority and less flack from congress and lawyers.  With less interference they could stop a great deal of skullduggery without stepping on any U.S. citizen’s rights.</p>
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		<title>By: davod</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/03/15/pakistan-again/#comment-40921</link>
		<dc:creator>davod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Rex. I agree with most of your post. However the nukes may have some mobile launchers but not with the precision targeting that the US enjoys.&quot;

How do we know the Chinese have not passed on the technology they received from the US in the 90s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Rex. I agree with most of your post. However the nukes may have some mobile launchers but not with the precision targeting that the US enjoys.&#8221;</p>
<p>How do we know the Chinese have not passed on the technology they received from the US in the 90s.</p>
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		<title>By: Habu</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/03/15/pakistan-again/#comment-40857</link>
		<dc:creator>Habu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 04:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Rex,
You are most gracious.
Thx
H.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Rex,<br />
You are most gracious.<br />
Thx<br />
H.</p>
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		<title>By: RAH</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/03/15/pakistan-again/#comment-40832</link>
		<dc:creator>RAH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 01:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rex. I agree with most of your post.  However the nukes may have some mobile launchers but not with the precision targeting that the US enjoys. I am not scared of Pakistani missiles with nukes reaching the US.  The biggest problem is intimidation with possession of nukes. Also we will not attack a nuclear power. 

Any nuclear missile exchange takes in account the known locations and possible other locations.

The only major fear is a nuclear warhead being transported by ship to European or US locality.

 No this is more of a concern to India, not to us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rex. I agree with most of your post.  However the nukes may have some mobile launchers but not with the precision targeting that the US enjoys. I am not scared of Pakistani missiles with nukes reaching the US.  The biggest problem is intimidation with possession of nukes. Also we will not attack a nuclear power. </p>
<p>Any nuclear missile exchange takes in account the known locations and possible other locations.</p>
<p>The only major fear is a nuclear warhead being transported by ship to European or US locality.</p>
<p> No this is more of a concern to India, not to us.</p>
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		<title>By: Armeggedon Rex</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/03/15/pakistan-again/#comment-40825</link>
		<dc:creator>Armeggedon Rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 00:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Habu:

Nothing to apologize for.  I’ve received a lot worse before, and that in front of a crowd.  As to being clandestine, I’ve never had to do that, or had the urge to try.  Since you have, my hat is off to you!  You’ve got bigger cahonnes than me!  I’ve been in the dirt enough, but always as an Amreki Infidel.  I was never hiding who I was, just what I was doing, sometimes!

There are some programs I was read into, and others I wasn’t.  I’ve picked up a lot of information on stuff that I didn’t work on.  I comment on the stuff I know something about but didn’t work on directly.  I’ll comment on stuff I worked on that I know has already been covered in the media but is not common knowledge, even with a group as worldly as those who hang out at Belmont Club.

So, thank you for your goodwill.  Let your comments fly!  As it sounds like you know, there are plenty of different opinions on what the available data means, even among folks paid to analyze, assess, and decide!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Habu:</p>
<p>Nothing to apologize for.  I’ve received a lot worse before, and that in front of a crowd.  As to being clandestine, I’ve never had to do that, or had the urge to try.  Since you have, my hat is off to you!  You’ve got bigger cahonnes than me!  I’ve been in the dirt enough, but always as an Amreki Infidel.  I was never hiding who I was, just what I was doing, sometimes!</p>
<p>There are some programs I was read into, and others I wasn’t.  I’ve picked up a lot of information on stuff that I didn’t work on.  I comment on the stuff I know something about but didn’t work on directly.  I’ll comment on stuff I worked on that I know has already been covered in the media but is not common knowledge, even with a group as worldly as those who hang out at Belmont Club.</p>
<p>So, thank you for your goodwill.  Let your comments fly!  As it sounds like you know, there are plenty of different opinions on what the available data means, even among folks paid to analyze, assess, and decide!</p>
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		<title>By: Habu</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/03/15/pakistan-again/#comment-40820</link>
		<dc:creator>Habu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 00:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Rex.

Allow me to back up a bit and not be so bloody an ass as I know I can be.

A great deal of what you say I fully and heartily agree with, such as:

 &quot;Since they’re unwilling to do what is necessary to resolve the situation, they should pull nearly all our forces out, reducing our boots on the ground to only a few thousand special forces and their immediate support. 

In point of fact I agree with most of what you say. My apologies for coming on like a f&#039;ing arse.

Keep up the good work, I hope you are not in any danger for I too have been clandestine and it ain&#039;t all that fun.

Please accept my apology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Rex.</p>
<p>Allow me to back up a bit and not be so bloody an ass as I know I can be.</p>
<p>A great deal of what you say I fully and heartily agree with, such as:</p>
<p> &#8220;Since they’re unwilling to do what is necessary to resolve the situation, they should pull nearly all our forces out, reducing our boots on the ground to only a few thousand special forces and their immediate support. </p>
<p>In point of fact I agree with most of what you say. My apologies for coming on like a f&#8217;ing arse.</p>
<p>Keep up the good work, I hope you are not in any danger for I too have been clandestine and it ain&#8217;t all that fun.</p>
<p>Please accept my apology.</p>
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		<title>By: Habu</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/03/15/pakistan-again/#comment-40815</link>
		<dc:creator>Habu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 00:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#143  A Rex....well you&#039;ve already violated your secrecy agreement then.

I&#039;m sure we&#039;ll all simply accept your word as THE definitve authority on all things regarding Pak nukes.

It&#039;s so good to know we have someone who will step up and claim the title and then not defend it on national security grounds...which admittedly you did not specifically state but implied with and air of audacity.

I know I&#039;ll look forward with great interest as you unpeel the onion for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#143  A Rex&#8230;.well you&#8217;ve already violated your secrecy agreement then.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure we&#8217;ll all simply accept your word as THE definitve authority on all things regarding Pak nukes.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s so good to know we have someone who will step up and claim the title and then not defend it on national security grounds&#8230;which admittedly you did not specifically state but implied with and air of audacity.</p>
<p>I know I&#8217;ll look forward with great interest as you unpeel the onion for us.</p>
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		<title>By: blert</title>
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		<dc:creator>blert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 00:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps flying directly from India to Afghanistan could work out.

It seems as practical as Dubai.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps flying directly from India to Afghanistan could work out.</p>
<p>It seems as practical as Dubai.</p>
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		<title>By: blert</title>
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		<dc:creator>blert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 00:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For any length of time the cost becomes prohibitive.

The wear and tear on the Globemasters in primitive conditions will have the fleet crashing time and again.

If it becomes necessary to use airlift, the only thing to do is pull out.

A &#039;Burma Road&#039; to Kandahar is the only realistic solution. But BHO &amp; Co would never go there.

It really looks like BHO is trying to destroy the DOD. He&#039;s using the Alinsky method of absurd over commitment to tilting the windmill.

Note his desire to screw over the insurance industry and suffering wounded veterans.

He&#039;s a tyrant. This is but the beginning.

Tyranny is based not on the gun but on deceit. It&#039;s through the agitprop engine that the flock is fleeced. 

BTW, don&#039;t forget all of our military dependents in Afghanistan: NATO. We&#039;d be their supplier, too. Their airlift capability is nil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For any length of time the cost becomes prohibitive.</p>
<p>The wear and tear on the Globemasters in primitive conditions will have the fleet crashing time and again.</p>
<p>If it becomes necessary to use airlift, the only thing to do is pull out.</p>
<p>A &#8216;Burma Road&#8217; to Kandahar is the only realistic solution. But BHO &amp; Co would never go there.</p>
<p>It really looks like BHO is trying to destroy the DOD. He&#8217;s using the Alinsky method of absurd over commitment to tilting the windmill.</p>
<p>Note his desire to screw over the insurance industry and suffering wounded veterans.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s a tyrant. This is but the beginning.</p>
<p>Tyranny is based not on the gun but on deceit. It&#8217;s through the agitprop engine that the flock is fleeced. </p>
<p>BTW, don&#8217;t forget all of our military dependents in Afghanistan: NATO. We&#8217;d be their supplier, too. Their airlift capability is nil.</p>
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