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		<title>By: lc</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/03/08/talking-to-hezbollah/#comment-39557</link>
		<dc:creator>lc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Language is fun, unless you do what Clinton did (or worse, like Carter, whose expression, when he was a visiting president, of deep love for the Polish people did not come across quite like he intended).

Here is a limerick, twisting the literal meaning of a commonly used phrase, Russian vs. English.

For Hil it&#039;s one word for another,
As for Obama, or Bill or her brother.
I know that it&#039;s true
What they&#039;d do to you,
The Russians would do to your mother.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Language is fun, unless you do what Clinton did (or worse, like Carter, whose expression, when he was a visiting president, of deep love for the Polish people did not come across quite like he intended).</p>
<p>Here is a limerick, twisting the literal meaning of a commonly used phrase, Russian vs. English.</p>
<p>For Hil it&#8217;s one word for another,<br />
As for Obama, or Bill or her brother.<br />
I know that it&#8217;s true<br />
What they&#8217;d do to you,<br />
The Russians would do to your mother.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/03/08/talking-to-hezbollah/#comment-39536</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 18:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saw the video: What a jerk!

Unless there&#039;s some underlying jocular/sardonic interplay at work between the two, it seems like they&#039;re just trying to diss us.

So there was a mistake, was it really the proper time and place to bring that up?

Given that, it was a stupid stunt by Mrs. Cliton in any case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saw the video: What a jerk!</p>
<p>Unless there&#8217;s some underlying jocular/sardonic interplay at work between the two, it seems like they&#8217;re just trying to diss us.</p>
<p>So there was a mistake, was it really the proper time and place to bring that up?</p>
<p>Given that, it was a stupid stunt by Mrs. Cliton in any case.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexis</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/03/08/talking-to-hezbollah/#comment-39513</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 17:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the problems that the British government faces is protocol.  Islamists try to use protocol in their favor, using the Treaty of Hodobayah as a template.  If the British government is truly desperate to talk with the so-called &quot;Hezbollah&quot;, it may wish to send MP&#039;s from the Labor Party to talk in their capacity of party functionaries.  In contrast, sending diplomats to talk with Hezbollah would lend far too much British legitimacy to that horrid organization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the problems that the British government faces is protocol.  Islamists try to use protocol in their favor, using the Treaty of Hodobayah as a template.  If the British government is truly desperate to talk with the so-called &#8220;Hezbollah&#8221;, it may wish to send MP&#8217;s from the Labor Party to talk in their capacity of party functionaries.  In contrast, sending diplomats to talk with Hezbollah would lend far too much British legitimacy to that horrid organization.</p>
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		<title>By: njcommuter</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/03/08/talking-to-hezbollah/#comment-39486</link>
		<dc:creator>njcommuter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 07:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We should talk to Hezbollah.  And this is what we should tell them: &quot;If you don&#039;t stop trying to run other people&#039;s lives and killing them for blood sport, we will kill you.  If you don&#039;t stop teaching your children to hate your neighbors and your betters, we will kill you.&quot;  And then, when they don&#039;t take us seriously, we should do just what we said we would do.

That is how you &quot;talk to&quot; people like Hezbollah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We should talk to Hezbollah.  And this is what we should tell them: &#8220;If you don&#8217;t stop trying to run other people&#8217;s lives and killing them for blood sport, we will kill you.  If you don&#8217;t stop teaching your children to hate your neighbors and your betters, we will kill you.&#8221;  And then, when they don&#8217;t take us seriously, we should do just what we said we would do.</p>
<p>That is how you &#8220;talk to&#8221; people like Hezbollah.</p>
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		<title>By: E. Nigma</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/03/08/talking-to-hezbollah/#comment-39458</link>
		<dc:creator>E. Nigma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 02:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marie Claude,
I work for a very large French company (that you would recognize if I named it), travel to France at least once a year, and have friends in France. Nevertheless, their business acumen (or lack thereof) drives me to distraction.;)
Having said that, I hold no resentment towards the French, but your comment #10 does prove my point that the French and the British still do not care much for each other. :)

There is also a deep Arabist mind set inside the British Foreign Service, and a tendency to think they are very clever and can play various Arab factions against each other to achieve their foreign policy ends. They (the British) thought that they were too clever by half in their &quot;enlightened&quot; administration of Basra, yet the truth was they were too weak to confront the militant Shia parties, which should not reflect badly on the British soldier on the ground, whom their government had put in an untenable situation.
To wit, you are correct that they should be dealing with the Lebanese government, and not Hezbollah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marie Claude,<br />
I work for a very large French company (that you would recognize if I named it), travel to France at least once a year, and have friends in France. Nevertheless, their business acumen (or lack thereof) drives me to distraction.;)<br />
Having said that, I hold no resentment towards the French, but your comment #10 does prove my point that the French and the British still do not care much for each other. <img src='http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>There is also a deep Arabist mind set inside the British Foreign Service, and a tendency to think they are very clever and can play various Arab factions against each other to achieve their foreign policy ends. They (the British) thought that they were too clever by half in their &#8220;enlightened&#8221; administration of Basra, yet the truth was they were too weak to confront the militant Shia parties, which should not reflect badly on the British soldier on the ground, whom their government had put in an untenable situation.<br />
To wit, you are correct that they should be dealing with the Lebanese government, and not Hezbollah.</p>
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		<title>By: blert</title>
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		<dc:creator>blert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 23:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quite simply the Taliban are Pakistani and other aliens romping around Afghanistan. The stand out by their dress and by their accents.

They stick out like a sore thumb to the locals.

The Taliban are NOT comparable to the Sunnis operating in civil garb bombing the road net nearby their homes and fields in Al Anbar.

One must stop conflating the two phenomena.

We have got to stop playing helicopter warfare in Afghanistan. It&#039;s brutally expensive. 

The essential focus for the Afghanistan must be cost control so as to permit endurance. Cost control is best had by zeroing out NATO and getting Afghans and Indians to pound the Kush on foot. That&#039;s what the Taliban are doing. There are no panzer corps or anything like advanced technical warfare. You just need boots on the ground.

The Afghan Army needs to be expanded and greatly focused on engineering and scouting functions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite simply the Taliban are Pakistani and other aliens romping around Afghanistan. The stand out by their dress and by their accents.</p>
<p>They stick out like a sore thumb to the locals.</p>
<p>The Taliban are NOT comparable to the Sunnis operating in civil garb bombing the road net nearby their homes and fields in Al Anbar.</p>
<p>One must stop conflating the two phenomena.</p>
<p>We have got to stop playing helicopter warfare in Afghanistan. It&#8217;s brutally expensive. </p>
<p>The essential focus for the Afghanistan must be cost control so as to permit endurance. Cost control is best had by zeroing out NATO and getting Afghans and Indians to pound the Kush on foot. That&#8217;s what the Taliban are doing. There are no panzer corps or anything like advanced technical warfare. You just need boots on the ground.</p>
<p>The Afghan Army needs to be expanded and greatly focused on engineering and scouting functions.</p>
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		<title>By: Wadeusaf</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/03/08/talking-to-hezbollah/#comment-39427</link>
		<dc:creator>Wadeusaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 22:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the Onion wuld do us proud, too.

But the the Taliban needs to be peeled away from the people, not the other way around, and that has to occur not just in Afghanistan but the NWFP of Pakistan as well. but to do so requires a constant security presence that share a common goal against a common foe. Some tribal leaders in addition to the elders have sided with the Taliban because of intimidation, or because they were bought with promises which could have been as little as we&#039;ll let you live or as great as a position in a new caliphate. Probably included land goats and a greater percentage of the drug profits or control of the payola in a particular area, who knows. 

 That is the difference between being a &quot;moderate&quot; Taliban and just a poor tribesman. Payola does wonders for religious fervor, just ask bin laden, or President Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the Onion wuld do us proud, too.</p>
<p>But the the Taliban needs to be peeled away from the people, not the other way around, and that has to occur not just in Afghanistan but the NWFP of Pakistan as well. but to do so requires a constant security presence that share a common goal against a common foe. Some tribal leaders in addition to the elders have sided with the Taliban because of intimidation, or because they were bought with promises which could have been as little as we&#8217;ll let you live or as great as a position in a new caliphate. Probably included land goats and a greater percentage of the drug profits or control of the payola in a particular area, who knows. </p>
<p> That is the difference between being a &#8220;moderate&#8221; Taliban and just a poor tribesman. Payola does wonders for religious fervor, just ask bin laden, or President Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: Lifeofthemind</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/03/08/talking-to-hezbollah/#comment-39425</link>
		<dc:creator>Lifeofthemind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 22:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;b&gt;Wadeusaf&lt;/b&gt;,
Personally I would rather be governed by the editorial board of The Onion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<b>Wadeusaf</b>,<br />
Personally I would rather be governed by the editorial board of The Onion.</p>
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		<title>By: RWE</title>
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		<dc:creator>RWE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 21:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eggplant:  I think that &quot;peeling away elements of the Taliban&quot; is another way of saying finding some lower level leaders to talk nice about and make concessions to while carefully ignoring inconvenient truths like beheadings and bombings.

The Surge in Afghanistan is being used as a justification for this approach, the idea being to replicate the Sunni Awakening of Iraq among at least some of the tribes that are under Taliban control.  The gigantic flaw here is that the Sunni Awakening only occurred after the security situation had improved enough that Sunni leaders saw a viable option.  The Awakening occurred after the “reduction” of Fallujha in very nearly the old medieval sense.  As they said in Vietnam, get them by the balls and their hearts and minds will follow.

Think Clinton making nice with Fatah in Gaza as an example of “peeling away” part of the Taliban, not Bush cleaning the terrorists’ clocks so that the Anbar Awakening could occur.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eggplant:  I think that &#8220;peeling away elements of the Taliban&#8221; is another way of saying finding some lower level leaders to talk nice about and make concessions to while carefully ignoring inconvenient truths like beheadings and bombings.</p>
<p>The Surge in Afghanistan is being used as a justification for this approach, the idea being to replicate the Sunni Awakening of Iraq among at least some of the tribes that are under Taliban control.  The gigantic flaw here is that the Sunni Awakening only occurred after the security situation had improved enough that Sunni leaders saw a viable option.  The Awakening occurred after the “reduction” of Fallujha in very nearly the old medieval sense.  As they said in Vietnam, get them by the balls and their hearts and minds will follow.</p>
<p>Think Clinton making nice with Fatah in Gaza as an example of “peeling away” part of the Taliban, not Bush cleaning the terrorists’ clocks so that the Anbar Awakening could occur.</p>
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		<title>By: voyeur</title>
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		<dc:creator>voyeur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 21:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The UK has a large active islamist population to appease, and appears to to be keen to get on with the job. Why should the US or anyone else give two hoots about the UK - its a small bankrupt island with a leader who wasnt elected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The UK has a large active islamist population to appease, and appears to to be keen to get on with the job. Why should the US or anyone else give two hoots about the UK &#8211; its a small bankrupt island with a leader who wasnt elected.</p>
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