Comments on: Mystery in the desert http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/02/19/mystery-in-the-desert/ Just another Pajamasmedia.com weblog Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:40:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: veracious http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/02/19/mystery-in-the-desert/#comment-36453 veracious Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:42:57 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/?p=2295#comment-36453 Buddy, Chuikov was just the underling told to hold the city. Zhukov was the master trickling just enough troops to Chuikov to hold while planning & building the counterattck ate 6th and portions of 4th Pz Army. There were great German generals (Guderian) and USA Patton, but Zhukov, trained in German blitkrieg during the Russo-German pre-war period, was the best general of the war. What he did to the Japanese in Manchuria during 1939 was nothing short of massacre. Whole divisions with 80-90% losses; unheard of. Must read, for serious understanding of _real_ war (VS minimal precision styles). Buddy, Chuikov was just the underling told to hold the city. Zhukov was the master trickling just enough troops to Chuikov to hold while planning & building the counterattck ate 6th and portions of 4th Pz Army.

There were great German generals (Guderian) and USA Patton, but Zhukov, trained in German blitkrieg during the Russo-German pre-war period, was the best general of the war. What he did to the Japanese in Manchuria during 1939 was nothing short of massacre. Whole divisions with 80-90% losses; unheard of. Must read, for serious understanding of _real_ war (VS minimal precision styles).

]]> By: buddy larsen http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/02/19/mystery-in-the-desert/#comment-36424 buddy larsen Tue, 24 Feb 2009 03:24:44 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/?p=2295#comment-36424 Veracious, not to nitpick, but that was Gen. Vasily Chuikov. Veracious, not to nitpick, but that was Gen. Vasily Chuikov.

]]> By: veracious http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/02/19/mystery-in-the-desert/#comment-36400 veracious Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:18:54 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/?p=2295#comment-36400 Blert, Don't worry about those armies at Volga bend, we'll just supply them by air 8^O I like your creativity, seems better than anything I've conceived... skrink back to special ops and UAVs to keep the swarms disorganzied. Hard to imagine what it would look like to reduce a pocket occupied by such a potent force, at least Zhukov won't be in charge... Blert,

Don’t worry about those armies at Volga bend, we’ll just supply them by air 8^O

I like your creativity, seems better than anything I’ve conceived… skrink back to special ops and UAVs to keep the swarms disorganzied.

Hard to imagine what it would look like to reduce a pocket occupied by such a potent force, at least Zhukov won’t be in charge…

]]> By: ag http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/02/19/mystery-in-the-desert/#comment-36273 ag Sun, 22 Feb 2009 04:06:54 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/?p=2295#comment-36273 No, I do not (I assure you, the reasons are decent). But unfortunately there are a lot of similarities between a very long pipe in a hostile territory and a pipe-dream. And no amount of elaborate details in project description change this fundamental fact. BTW, the realistic route is through Iran. And it was closed (chiefly) by Jimmy Carter when he courted Ayatollas and abandoned Pehlevi. No, I do not (I assure you, the reasons are decent). But unfortunately there are a lot of similarities between a very long pipe in a hostile territory and a pipe-dream. And no amount of elaborate details in project description change this fundamental fact. BTW, the realistic route is through Iran. And it was closed (chiefly) by Jimmy Carter when he courted Ayatollas and abandoned Pehlevi.

]]> By: blert http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/02/19/mystery-in-the-desert/#comment-36268 blert Sun, 22 Feb 2009 02:23:08 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/?p=2295#comment-36268 ag... Did you read all of my posts? ag…

Did you read all of my posts?

]]> By: ag http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/02/19/mystery-in-the-desert/#comment-36265 ag Sun, 22 Feb 2009 02:09:58 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/?p=2295#comment-36265 Blert wrote: "A railroad, highway, and pipelines would connect Afghanistan to the sea." Did you look at the map recently? Peter B: I do not see much difference between Clinton and junior. With regard to your request to comp. of Saddam with present Iraq "gov" the obvious reply is: Saddam was better buffer to mullahs. But my initial point was about the mixed signals Bush sent to all local clowns that he is not after them. It is elementary fact that one cannot change regime in one ME location and assure clowns in other locations that you are not after them. It is d-e-s-t-a-b-i-l-i-z-i-n-g. All of them soiled their pants initially. Quaddafi gave up his programs. Now he probably regrets it. And the rest feels empowered. Meanwhile he allowed Barney Frank, Schumer, et al. to browbeat him into present mess. Blert wrote: “A railroad, highway, and pipelines would connect Afghanistan to the sea.” Did you look at the map recently?
Peter B: I do not see much difference between Clinton and junior. With regard to your request to comp. of Saddam with present Iraq “gov” the obvious reply is: Saddam was better buffer to mullahs.
But my initial point was about the mixed signals Bush sent to all local clowns that he is not after them. It is elementary fact that one cannot change regime in one ME location and assure clowns in other locations that you are not after them. It is d-e-s-t-a-b-i-l-i-z-i-n-g. All of them soiled their pants initially. Quaddafi gave up his programs. Now he probably regrets it. And the rest feels empowered.
Meanwhile he allowed Barney Frank, Schumer, et al. to browbeat him into present mess.

]]> By: sigintel http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/02/19/mystery-in-the-desert/#comment-36260 sigintel Sun, 22 Feb 2009 01:21:10 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/?p=2295#comment-36260 Blert...please send your Afgan oil corridor plan to General Petraes...he would get the strategic and game changing aspects immediately....especially putting most Afghani men to work for five years...which would be a more attractive option than joining the Taliban. Blert…please send your Afgan oil corridor plan to General Petraes…he would get the strategic and game changing aspects immediately….especially putting most Afghani men to work for five years…which would be a more attractive option than joining the Taliban.

]]> By: JFSanders http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/02/19/mystery-in-the-desert/#comment-36259 JFSanders Sun, 22 Feb 2009 01:15:49 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/?p=2295#comment-36259 16 years? Gotta figure in the talibs blowing it up every few months until completion. And then being nationalized by somebody. Aint nothing easy in this world 'cept dying. Jim 16 years? Gotta figure in the talibs blowing it up every few months until completion. And then being nationalized by somebody. Aint nothing easy in this world ‘cept dying.

Jim

]]> By: slade http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/02/19/mystery-in-the-desert/#comment-36258 slade Sun, 22 Feb 2009 01:08:20 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/?p=2295#comment-36258 "16 years" ?? “16 years”

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]]> By: blert http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/02/19/mystery-in-the-desert/#comment-36257 blert Sun, 22 Feb 2009 01:05:16 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/?p=2295#comment-36257 As you might imagine, Afghanistan would be able to extract a transport 'rent' so that her government is no longer an unremitting black hole. As you might imagine, Afghanistan would be able to extract a transport ‘rent’ so that her government is no longer an unremitting black hole.

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