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		<title>By: buddy larsen</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/02/10/insurgency-vs-counterinsurgency/#comment-35505</link>
		<dc:creator>buddy larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 23:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure hope everything works out and we get them back home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure hope everything works out and we get them back home.</p>
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		<title>By: buddy larsen</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/02/10/insurgency-vs-counterinsurgency/#comment-35503</link>
		<dc:creator>buddy larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 23:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>34,000, cannonmeer, with 12,000 more as of today&#039;s announcement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>34,000, cannonmeer, with 12,000 more as of today&#8217;s announcement.</p>
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		<title>By: Cannoneer No. 4</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cannoneer No. 4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 07:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/13/AR2009021301649.html?hpid=opinionsbox1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Not Even the Afghans Know How to Fix It&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;i&gt;The breadth of disagreement is startling: Some say that nation-building is a mistake; others believe that it is the only way to defeat the Taliban-led insurgency. One U.S. official told me that we should stop trying to push democratic institutions on a country with such a strong tribal culture, while an equally savvy Afghan American insisted just the opposite. Women&#039;s rights activists begged for our support, saying that they feared for their lives, but tribal leaders demanded that they be left alone to deal with their women as they see fit. &quot;We are tribal people, and we don&#039;t need your women&#039;s programs,&quot; one declared. Unlike Iraqis and Bosnians, Afghans can&#039;t even agree on whether ethnic divisions still exist in their country or whether they are the invention of &lt;/i&gt;ferangi&lt;i&gt;&lt;i&gt; -- meddlesome foreigners. 

All this confusion over such fundamental questions vastly complicates Washington&#039;s efforts at developing an effective policy toward Afghanistan. 

From high government officials to villagers in the countryside, &lt;b&gt;Afghans are learning how to play the game and how to game the system.&lt;/b&gt; We met one provincial minister of economy who resorted to development jargon to evade allegations about his corruption. In halting English, he told us how important it was to &quot;involve stakeholders&quot; and &quot;build capacity&quot; so that the provincial government could &quot;take ownership&quot; of its development. He definitely seemed to have the desire to take ownership, but whether it extended beyond ownership of the aid funds was not so clear. 

Beyond that, many government officials lack even the most basic skills. An Afghan aid worker told me that 90 percent of local leaders in Kandahar province can&#039;t read, and a U.S. official said that she often saw thumbprints instead of signatures on important documents. Many of these officials don&#039;t venture out into their own districts because they&#039;re afraid of being attacked; others just can&#039;t be bothered to ever leave their offices.&lt;/i&gt;

We in America and the West have neither the will nor the moral rectitude to do what really needs to be done, nor any assurance that if we did our efforts will have been worth it in the end.  

The more we do for them, the more they play us for suckers.

30,000 more hostages won&#039;t fix this mess.

Remember what we came for.  Everything else is mission creep.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/13/AR2009021301649.html?hpid=opinionsbox1" rel="nofollow">Not Even the Afghans Know How to Fix It</a></p>
<p><i>The breadth of disagreement is startling: Some say that nation-building is a mistake; others believe that it is the only way to defeat the Taliban-led insurgency. One U.S. official told me that we should stop trying to push democratic institutions on a country with such a strong tribal culture, while an equally savvy Afghan American insisted just the opposite. Women&#8217;s rights activists begged for our support, saying that they feared for their lives, but tribal leaders demanded that they be left alone to deal with their women as they see fit. &#8220;We are tribal people, and we don&#8217;t need your women&#8217;s programs,&#8221; one declared. Unlike Iraqis and Bosnians, Afghans can&#8217;t even agree on whether ethnic divisions still exist in their country or whether they are the invention of </i>ferangi<i></i><i> &#8212; meddlesome foreigners. </p>
<p>All this confusion over such fundamental questions vastly complicates Washington&#8217;s efforts at developing an effective policy toward Afghanistan. </p>
<p>From high government officials to villagers in the countryside, <b>Afghans are learning how to play the game and how to game the system.</b> We met one provincial minister of economy who resorted to development jargon to evade allegations about his corruption. In halting English, he told us how important it was to &#8220;involve stakeholders&#8221; and &#8220;build capacity&#8221; so that the provincial government could &#8220;take ownership&#8221; of its development. He definitely seemed to have the desire to take ownership, but whether it extended beyond ownership of the aid funds was not so clear. </p>
<p>Beyond that, many government officials lack even the most basic skills. An Afghan aid worker told me that 90 percent of local leaders in Kandahar province can&#8217;t read, and a U.S. official said that she often saw thumbprints instead of signatures on important documents. Many of these officials don&#8217;t venture out into their own districts because they&#8217;re afraid of being attacked; others just can&#8217;t be bothered to ever leave their offices.</i></p>
<p>We in America and the West have neither the will nor the moral rectitude to do what really needs to be done, nor any assurance that if we did our efforts will have been worth it in the end.  </p>
<p>The more we do for them, the more they play us for suckers.</p>
<p>30,000 more hostages won&#8217;t fix this mess.</p>
<p>Remember what we came for.  Everything else is mission creep.</p>
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		<title>By: njcommuter</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/02/10/insurgency-vs-counterinsurgency/#comment-34933</link>
		<dc:creator>njcommuter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 17:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Our objective in Afghanistan is to deny Taliban/AQ a victory. That is something far short of nation building but good enough for now.&lt;/blockquote&gt;The word &quot;victory&quot; is slippery.  Let&#039;s keep our eye on the primary, driving objective: to deny the use of Afghanistan to the Taliban and similar organizations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Our objective in Afghanistan is to deny Taliban/AQ a victory. That is something far short of nation building but good enough for now.</p></blockquote>
<p>The word &#8220;victory&#8221; is slippery.  Let&#8217;s keep our eye on the primary, driving objective: to deny the use of Afghanistan to the Taliban and similar organizations.</p>
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		<title>By: Mongoose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mongoose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 17:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>biddy: i stil do not see how they develop that internal market. It is not as though they can create homesteaders or more industrial workers by fiat. The value add has been in the middle of the supply chain in global markets. With that gone, well...

I am not saying it cannot be  done, I just do not see how they do it.

 Contractions in exports does not signal the creation of an internal market, and remember this has to be for the most part created. Typically export lead economies swing out from internal markets, China is odd in this case of being the other way around.

The &quot;weaning&quot; may just be a singal if a collapse of demand. note that imports are down 25% too.

If it what you say is true than maybe we should launch our stimulus package after all,  for this is the only thing driving and internal market in a China that is seeing massive layoffs. That bailout if ppp adjusted is pretty large, but not large enough to great some sort of long term internal market, and again, it is mostly aimed at &quot;infrastructure&quot;. The point here is to just placate enough of the newly unemployed industrial workers to avoid massive riots in the street. So this whole business seems to me more like analysts painting pictures for themselves to me that any real understanding of the markets over there. Again, this did not seem to wrk for japan. A real contraction in China will expose a large asset bubble there too, that are way over invested in capacity.

Besides, must of the big profitable firms are the multinationals anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>biddy: i stil do not see how they develop that internal market. It is not as though they can create homesteaders or more industrial workers by fiat. The value add has been in the middle of the supply chain in global markets. With that gone, well&#8230;</p>
<p>I am not saying it cannot be  done, I just do not see how they do it.</p>
<p> Contractions in exports does not signal the creation of an internal market, and remember this has to be for the most part created. Typically export lead economies swing out from internal markets, China is odd in this case of being the other way around.</p>
<p>The &#8220;weaning&#8221; may just be a singal if a collapse of demand. note that imports are down 25% too.</p>
<p>If it what you say is true than maybe we should launch our stimulus package after all,  for this is the only thing driving and internal market in a China that is seeing massive layoffs. That bailout if ppp adjusted is pretty large, but not large enough to great some sort of long term internal market, and again, it is mostly aimed at &#8220;infrastructure&#8221;. The point here is to just placate enough of the newly unemployed industrial workers to avoid massive riots in the street. So this whole business seems to me more like analysts painting pictures for themselves to me that any real understanding of the markets over there. Again, this did not seem to wrk for japan. A real contraction in China will expose a large asset bubble there too, that are way over invested in capacity.</p>
<p>Besides, must of the big profitable firms are the multinationals anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Mongoose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mongoose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blert: those seem more like compelling effects to me, not cards to pley.

The key is to see it in terms of a break down of the current order altogether. Then these sorts of things matter less. They would just put those rice bowl losers in the front lines, whipped on by the young bachelors in search of their dreams.

Quite a wave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blert: those seem more like compelling effects to me, not cards to pley.</p>
<p>The key is to see it in terms of a break down of the current order altogether. Then these sorts of things matter less. They would just put those rice bowl losers in the front lines, whipped on by the young bachelors in search of their dreams.</p>
<p>Quite a wave.</p>
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		<title>By: Fletcher Christian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fletcher Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 08:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How long is it going to be before someone decides that enough is enough - and turns the Al Qaeda &quot;shadow army&quot; into real shadows?

The West has done it before. Perhaps a good propaganda tool would be a few million photographs dropped from aircraft. The date on the photos? August 6, 1945.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How long is it going to be before someone decides that enough is enough &#8211; and turns the Al Qaeda &#8220;shadow army&#8221; into real shadows?</p>
<p>The West has done it before. Perhaps a good propaganda tool would be a few million photographs dropped from aircraft. The date on the photos? August 6, 1945.</p>
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		<title>By: blert</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/02/10/insurgency-vs-counterinsurgency/#comment-34593</link>
		<dc:creator>blert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 03:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>China has terrible cards to play: too many compelled bachelors...

A ton of environmental pollution...

An endless list of Iron-Rice-Bowl state funded losers...

Which will completely suck the guts out of China&#039;s exchange reserves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>China has terrible cards to play: too many compelled bachelors&#8230;</p>
<p>A ton of environmental pollution&#8230;</p>
<p>An endless list of Iron-Rice-Bowl state funded losers&#8230;</p>
<p>Which will completely suck the guts out of China&#8217;s exchange reserves.</p>
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		<title>By: blert</title>
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		<dc:creator>blert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 03:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No wonder GE is tanking....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No wonder GE is tanking&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: buddy larsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>buddy larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 01:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops --CNBC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops &#8211;CNBC</p>
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