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		<title>By: twobyfour</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/01/26/vespers/#comment-31751</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 08:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 70. A_Nonny_Mouse

Yea, with Allah meteorite gone, the only Islam that would remain is sufi. And despite that the hashisheen (assassins) originated from that branch, it is the only branch (if we discount Ahmadiyya or offshoots like Druze) that did not stay still and firmly planted in 7th century.

Mode of destruction: Rods from God.
Why: 
1. It would take only the corner of Kaaba where Allah is located in its vaginal enclosure.
2. The rods would slice it off and bury themselves 25 feet below the surface = plausible deniability.
3. No one would see them. Instead what they would see is flames and possibly lightning effects and perceive a localized quake.
4. There would be possibly only a few casualties, most people in the area at the time (preferably when not many people are around) would be scared out of their wits and awestruck.
5. If possible, and means are found, an imprint in the close proximity composed of four Hebrew letters representing YWHW would be a nice touch.

There is another method that would be utterly awesome, very surgical and not attributable to earthly powers whatsoever = for all practical purposes the thing would disappear. Poof. No smoke even. Just gone. But it is presently in development, quite a few tears to go. By a private entity. Can say no more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ 70. A_Nonny_Mouse</p>
<p>Yea, with Allah meteorite gone, the only Islam that would remain is sufi. And despite that the hashisheen (assassins) originated from that branch, it is the only branch (if we discount Ahmadiyya or offshoots like Druze) that did not stay still and firmly planted in 7th century.</p>
<p>Mode of destruction: Rods from God.<br />
Why:<br />
1. It would take only the corner of Kaaba where Allah is located in its vaginal enclosure.<br />
2. The rods would slice it off and bury themselves 25 feet below the surface = plausible deniability.<br />
3. No one would see them. Instead what they would see is flames and possibly lightning effects and perceive a localized quake.<br />
4. There would be possibly only a few casualties, most people in the area at the time (preferably when not many people are around) would be scared out of their wits and awestruck.<br />
5. If possible, and means are found, an imprint in the close proximity composed of four Hebrew letters representing YWHW would be a nice touch.</p>
<p>There is another method that would be utterly awesome, very surgical and not attributable to earthly powers whatsoever = for all practical purposes the thing would disappear. Poof. No smoke even. Just gone. But it is presently in development, quite a few tears to go. By a private entity. Can say no more.</p>
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		<title>By: JFSanders</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/01/26/vespers/#comment-31695</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 03:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Perhaps we’d give them a 30-minute warning to reduce civilian casualties.&quot;

In war it is all about civilians. They are why the armies fight. No civilians no fight...

Jim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Perhaps we’d give them a 30-minute warning to reduce civilian casualties.&#8221;</p>
<p>In war it is all about civilians. They are why the armies fight. No civilians no fight&#8230;</p>
<p>Jim</p>
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		<title>By: A_Nonny_Mouse</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/01/26/vespers/#comment-31678</link>
		<dc:creator>A_Nonny_Mouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 00:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not related to the individual topics of this discussion, but related to the Problem of Islam:

What would happen if Mecca disappeared?  The Quran, the-perfect-unchangeable-word-of-Allah-for-all-time, tells believers that Islam will dominate the world.  Islam commands facing Mecca when praying, and traveling to Mecca at least once in a lifetime.  Islam declared itself closed to reinterpretation sometime in the 12th century.  If Mecca were to vanish, would this not cause (well, besides the obvious riots, murder, and destruction everywhere Muslims reside) some kind of religious re-evaluation?  Possibly &quot;the Enlightenment of Islam&quot;?  

I&#039;ve been wracking my brain -- how can the West force Islam to civilize itself?  As long as Islam declares itself perfect and immutable, it&#039;s stuck with its 7th-century warlord/slavery/shame/subjugation world view.
If Mecca goes, their Bbook isn&#039;t perfect, Mohammed&#039;s revelations aren&#039;t perfect, and Allah himself may have some explaining to do.  

I doubt Our Dear Leader Obama will do it, but I would certainly like to see the American President tell the entire Islamic world that ANY further attack on the US by any agent of Islam (whether obviously state-sponsored or the so called &quot;rogue operatives&quot; -- the &quot;misunderstanders&quot; of the Religion of Blowing Stuff Up) the USA will consider the Ummah (all nations of Islam) to have declared war on us and we will do to Mecca whatever the Islamists do to us:  nuclear or chemical or biological, whatever is visited on the USA will be done to Mecca.  Perhaps we&#039;d give them a 30-minute warning to reduce civilian casualties.  But, ultimately, touch us again and Mecca goes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not related to the individual topics of this discussion, but related to the Problem of Islam:</p>
<p>What would happen if Mecca disappeared?  The Quran, the-perfect-unchangeable-word-of-Allah-for-all-time, tells believers that Islam will dominate the world.  Islam commands facing Mecca when praying, and traveling to Mecca at least once in a lifetime.  Islam declared itself closed to reinterpretation sometime in the 12th century.  If Mecca were to vanish, would this not cause (well, besides the obvious riots, murder, and destruction everywhere Muslims reside) some kind of religious re-evaluation?  Possibly &#8220;the Enlightenment of Islam&#8221;?  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been wracking my brain &#8212; how can the West force Islam to civilize itself?  As long as Islam declares itself perfect and immutable, it&#8217;s stuck with its 7th-century warlord/slavery/shame/subjugation world view.<br />
If Mecca goes, their Bbook isn&#8217;t perfect, Mohammed&#8217;s revelations aren&#8217;t perfect, and Allah himself may have some explaining to do.  </p>
<p>I doubt Our Dear Leader Obama will do it, but I would certainly like to see the American President tell the entire Islamic world that ANY further attack on the US by any agent of Islam (whether obviously state-sponsored or the so called &#8220;rogue operatives&#8221; &#8212; the &#8220;misunderstanders&#8221; of the Religion of Blowing Stuff Up) the USA will consider the Ummah (all nations of Islam) to have declared war on us and we will do to Mecca whatever the Islamists do to us:  nuclear or chemical or biological, whatever is visited on the USA will be done to Mecca.  Perhaps we&#8217;d give them a 30-minute warning to reduce civilian casualties.  But, ultimately, touch us again and Mecca goes.</p>
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		<title>By: trangbang68</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/01/26/vespers/#comment-31661</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 21:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#68- Afrikaner- mishmash and New Age gobbledy-gook. How does that provide a framework for what lies ahead? What is &quot;real eyes peace&quot; but convoluted psychobabble?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#68- Afrikaner- mishmash and New Age gobbledy-gook. How does that provide a framework for what lies ahead? What is &#8220;real eyes peace&#8221; but convoluted psychobabble?</p>
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		<title>By: Afrikaner</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/01/26/vespers/#comment-31650</link>
		<dc:creator>Afrikaner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 20:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fred, # 14

May I recommmend the Newsletter 2009 by Michael Brown? It provides a framework for what lies ahead.   http://www.thepresenceportal.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred, # 14</p>
<p>May I recommmend the Newsletter 2009 by Michael Brown? It provides a framework for what lies ahead.   <a href="http://www.thepresenceportal.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.thepresenceportal.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: buckets</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/01/26/vespers/#comment-31615</link>
		<dc:creator>buckets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enigma,

What&#039;s with the gratuitous comic-book movie bashing? I object good naturedly, but I would point out that Christopher Nolan&#039;s recent &quot;Batman&quot; movies make a better case for Western Civilization, and the need to vigilantly defend it, than pretty much anything outside of Wretchard&#039;s blog.

Not everything Hollywood puts out is trash. You just have to look in the right places.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enigma,</p>
<p>What&#8217;s with the gratuitous comic-book movie bashing? I object good naturedly, but I would point out that Christopher Nolan&#8217;s recent &#8220;Batman&#8221; movies make a better case for Western Civilization, and the need to vigilantly defend it, than pretty much anything outside of Wretchard&#8217;s blog.</p>
<p>Not everything Hollywood puts out is trash. You just have to look in the right places.</p>
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		<title>By: Marianne</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/01/26/vespers/#comment-31600</link>
		<dc:creator>Marianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 13:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, so was I.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, so was I.</p>
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		<title>By: rickl</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/01/26/vespers/#comment-31575</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 07:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>27. Blindman:

Not equal sign:

On a Mac, press Option and = you get ≠.

I don&#039;t have a PC, but according to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.starr.net/is/type/altnum.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this chart&lt;/a&gt;, you press Alt and a 3-digit number on the numeric keypad.  The chart says that Greek letters and math symbols are between 224 and 247, but does not give examples.  I&#039;m sure it can be done; you&#039;ll just have to use trial and error.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>27. Blindman:</p>
<p>Not equal sign:</p>
<p>On a Mac, press Option and = you get ≠.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have a PC, but according to <a href="http://www.starr.net/is/type/altnum.htm" rel="nofollow">this chart</a>, you press Alt and a 3-digit number on the numeric keypad.  The chart says that Greek letters and math symbols are between 224 and 247, but does not give examples.  I&#8217;m sure it can be done; you&#8217;ll just have to use trial and error.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/01/26/vespers/#comment-31572</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 06:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Listen friends, and mark my words in this moment and this hour--

God is jealous for his name for his name is jealous.

 

Nor is this a charming flower to set before a man

nor one of his commands.

 

Yet, without Jesus, this is more than we can love as we desire peace,

and less than we can know as we desire joy.

 

For the sacred fire

that makes us liars--

I mean, that separates speech from dreams,

and separates our flesh from the future--

is God&#039;s power manifested.

So, in the year and the hour-- for his sake, invest your desire in Jesus.

Follow his holy fire for right now.  Right now he intercedes for us in heaven!

 

Some will say we are people of the way.

We are people of the way.

We praise his  holy name
Yahweh.

I am who I am.

I cause all things to be.

I am the first cause of creation.

We praise his  holy name
Elohim.

And say &quot;Thank you Jesus for your precious blood--

better, so much better than the blood of Abel.

How then shall we pray?

I pray, bless me a lot oh God.

Show me your kingdom and  righteousness

In such a way that my thoughts words and deeds

Reflect your wisdom and power--

And that -- for the sake of your honor and glory

So  I will live  in  your presence in this life and the life to come.

For your name sake
let me hear my children praise your name.
And their children too.

I pray all this in Jesus name. Amen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Listen friends, and mark my words in this moment and this hour&#8211;</p>
<p>God is jealous for his name for his name is jealous.</p>
<p>Nor is this a charming flower to set before a man</p>
<p>nor one of his commands.</p>
<p>Yet, without Jesus, this is more than we can love as we desire peace,</p>
<p>and less than we can know as we desire joy.</p>
<p>For the sacred fire</p>
<p>that makes us liars&#8211;</p>
<p>I mean, that separates speech from dreams,</p>
<p>and separates our flesh from the future&#8211;</p>
<p>is God&#8217;s power manifested.</p>
<p>So, in the year and the hour&#8211; for his sake, invest your desire in Jesus.</p>
<p>Follow his holy fire for right now.  Right now he intercedes for us in heaven!</p>
<p>Some will say we are people of the way.</p>
<p>We are people of the way.</p>
<p>We praise his  holy name<br />
Yahweh.</p>
<p>I am who I am.</p>
<p>I cause all things to be.</p>
<p>I am the first cause of creation.</p>
<p>We praise his  holy name<br />
Elohim.</p>
<p>And say &#8220;Thank you Jesus for your precious blood&#8211;</p>
<p>better, so much better than the blood of Abel.</p>
<p>How then shall we pray?</p>
<p>I pray, bless me a lot oh God.</p>
<p>Show me your kingdom and  righteousness</p>
<p>In such a way that my thoughts words and deeds</p>
<p>Reflect your wisdom and power&#8211;</p>
<p>And that &#8212; for the sake of your honor and glory</p>
<p>So  I will live  in  your presence in this life and the life to come.</p>
<p>For your name sake<br />
let me hear my children praise your name.<br />
And their children too.</p>
<p>I pray all this in Jesus name. Amen</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk Parker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 06:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marianne (57), I don&#039;t quite follow.  I thought I was equating a &lt;i&gt;lack of C4&lt;/i&gt; with progress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marianne (57), I don&#8217;t quite follow.  I thought I was equating a <i>lack of C4</i> with progress.</p>
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