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		<title>By: Wadeusaf</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/01/22/not-in-my-backyard/#comment-30986</link>
		<dc:creator>Wadeusaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 02:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buckets,

I suppose I may be off base here. I thought a courts martial or article 15 type of hearing with full accounting of and for the details of the charge, the review and the decision was considered when ordering a summary execution in the field. It is a quick and dirty style of justice but justice none the less. I have since been reminded that military courts are not considered to be impartial, and under the conventions that now hold sway would be illegal for a lack of being impartial and somehow, therefore unfair. 

 However the tribunals in Gitmo are arguably more than fair and justices have more than bent over backwards to be impartial. The Claims made by the current administration and legal NGO&#039;s would seek to undermine the standing and authority of the entire system of military justice when dealing with illegal combatants and detainees from around the globe. It puts out of reach the penalty of death for the violent and impossible to rehabilitate. It puts at risk the very standards of justice and that also seek to protect and defend the people and the constitution of the US.

 I will submit that the intelligence gathering capabilities of the nation are enhanced by folks who stand to survive and live as freemen, but that is not the case with the blood lust that so many within Al Qaeda and so many (or so I hear reported) now within Hamas. The people who would torture, maim and kill American Soldiers or IDF troops or Civilians do not deserve to breath, have no redeeming virtue and I believe that allowing them to live places all our lives in jeopardy. These evil ones entertain all the redeeming graces of Gacey or other serial murderers and serial rapists. The lifestyle they lead of drugs and debautchery has led them to a place where they are no longer human. The truly humane thing to do is to end their lives. 

 Such is the temprament of the people who planned and executed the bombing of the golden mosque, the London train bombings, the bombings in Spain, Bali, the USS Cole and of course the multiple strikes on 9/11/2009. Unless there is undertaken a real and effective enhancement of the intelligence gathering capabilities of the US spy agency&#039;s we will find ourselves again just as we were on 9/12/2001. I do not mean the toys, i refer to the real live assets in those places where we were blind on 9/10/2001, and active agents willing to do the commander in chief&#039;s lawful bidding to the best of their abilities. I have yet to see where that has in fact been the case. I cannot believe that overnight the administration of President Obama can make up for lost time and lack of effort.

 I apologize to the many honest professionals who have stepped up and gone beyond since and before 9/11, for any criticism of the Intel community will paint your actions as well.  President Obama, if you want to get to the point where Gitmo is not needed, you better put effort into the gathering of information more than the effort to defend the rights of the indefensible, the unclean and the inhuman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buckets,</p>
<p>I suppose I may be off base here. I thought a courts martial or article 15 type of hearing with full accounting of and for the details of the charge, the review and the decision was considered when ordering a summary execution in the field. It is a quick and dirty style of justice but justice none the less. I have since been reminded that military courts are not considered to be impartial, and under the conventions that now hold sway would be illegal for a lack of being impartial and somehow, therefore unfair. </p>
<p> However the tribunals in Gitmo are arguably more than fair and justices have more than bent over backwards to be impartial. The Claims made by the current administration and legal NGO&#8217;s would seek to undermine the standing and authority of the entire system of military justice when dealing with illegal combatants and detainees from around the globe. It puts out of reach the penalty of death for the violent and impossible to rehabilitate. It puts at risk the very standards of justice and that also seek to protect and defend the people and the constitution of the US.</p>
<p> I will submit that the intelligence gathering capabilities of the nation are enhanced by folks who stand to survive and live as freemen, but that is not the case with the blood lust that so many within Al Qaeda and so many (or so I hear reported) now within Hamas. The people who would torture, maim and kill American Soldiers or IDF troops or Civilians do not deserve to breath, have no redeeming virtue and I believe that allowing them to live places all our lives in jeopardy. These evil ones entertain all the redeeming graces of Gacey or other serial murderers and serial rapists. The lifestyle they lead of drugs and debautchery has led them to a place where they are no longer human. The truly humane thing to do is to end their lives. </p>
<p> Such is the temprament of the people who planned and executed the bombing of the golden mosque, the London train bombings, the bombings in Spain, Bali, the USS Cole and of course the multiple strikes on 9/11/2009. Unless there is undertaken a real and effective enhancement of the intelligence gathering capabilities of the US spy agency&#8217;s we will find ourselves again just as we were on 9/12/2001. I do not mean the toys, i refer to the real live assets in those places where we were blind on 9/10/2001, and active agents willing to do the commander in chief&#8217;s lawful bidding to the best of their abilities. I have yet to see where that has in fact been the case. I cannot believe that overnight the administration of President Obama can make up for lost time and lack of effort.</p>
<p> I apologize to the many honest professionals who have stepped up and gone beyond since and before 9/11, for any criticism of the Intel community will paint your actions as well.  President Obama, if you want to get to the point where Gitmo is not needed, you better put effort into the gathering of information more than the effort to defend the rights of the indefensible, the unclean and the inhuman.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkJ</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/01/22/not-in-my-backyard/#comment-30984</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 02:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bad news for John Murtha&#039;s district: many GITMO detainees will be soon transferred there early next year.

Good news: By order of the governor, hunting season will commence immediately after the detainees&#039; arrival. It will last indefinitely with &quot;no limit on the number taken.&quot;

;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bad news for John Murtha&#8217;s district: many GITMO detainees will be soon transferred there early next year.</p>
<p>Good news: By order of the governor, hunting season will commence immediately after the detainees&#8217; arrival. It will last indefinitely with &#8220;no limit on the number taken.&#8221;</p>
<p> <img src='http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Oh, bother</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/01/22/not-in-my-backyard/#comment-30922</link>
		<dc:creator>Oh, bother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 21:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So far I&#039;m liking Novanglus&#039;s idea best, especially the JDAM part (I like to watch explosions). Tuduri has some good suggestions too. But please, let&#039;s not forget our allies in the Netherlands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So far I&#8217;m liking Novanglus&#8217;s idea best, especially the JDAM part (I like to watch explosions). Tuduri has some good suggestions too. But please, let&#8217;s not forget our allies in the Netherlands.</p>
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		<title>By: Tuduri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tuduri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Send them to New England,Washington DC and hmmmmm, Chicago!

But, really,#19&#039;s,Novanglus&#039;s idea of tagging, following and bombing them would be a nice episode of 24. 

Tuduri</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Send them to New England,Washington DC and hmmmmm, Chicago!</p>
<p>But, really,#19&#8242;s,Novanglus&#8217;s idea of tagging, following and bombing them would be a nice episode of 24. </p>
<p>Tuduri</p>
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		<title>By: Tcobb</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/01/22/not-in-my-backyard/#comment-30913</link>
		<dc:creator>Tcobb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The political elites of our time indulge in voyeuristic morality.  It is easy to take a high moral stance when the personal cost for doing so is zero.  But when it entails an actual impact on their lifestyle or political viability the outward veneer will be discarded in an instant.  And this extends to the &quot;celebrities&quot; of our time, many of them actors--by definition people who pretend to be people who they aren&#039;t.

I am not a fan of his later works, but Kurt Vonnegut&#039;s Mother Night had many gems of wisdom embedded in it, my favorite being &quot;We are who we pretend to be--so be very, very careful who you pretend to be.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The political elites of our time indulge in voyeuristic morality.  It is easy to take a high moral stance when the personal cost for doing so is zero.  But when it entails an actual impact on their lifestyle or political viability the outward veneer will be discarded in an instant.  And this extends to the &#8220;celebrities&#8221; of our time, many of them actors&#8211;by definition people who pretend to be people who they aren&#8217;t.</p>
<p>I am not a fan of his later works, but Kurt Vonnegut&#8217;s Mother Night had many gems of wisdom embedded in it, my favorite being &#8220;We are who we pretend to be&#8211;so be very, very careful who you pretend to be.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Stones Cry Out - If they keep silent&#8230; &#187; Things Heard: e51v5</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/01/22/not-in-my-backyard/#comment-30909</link>
		<dc:creator>Stones Cry Out - If they keep silent&#8230; &#187; Things Heard: e51v5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 19:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Where will they go? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Pseudo-Polymath &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Friday Highlights</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/01/22/not-in-my-backyard/#comment-30908</link>
		<dc:creator>Pseudo-Polymath &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Friday Highlights</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 19:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Where will they go? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Roderick Reilly</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/01/22/not-in-my-backyard/#comment-30904</link>
		<dc:creator>Roderick Reilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 19:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s take a page out of Castro&#039;s book, and do a Mariel Boatlift on them. Send every frickin&#039; one of the detainees by illicit boat to whatever hidden coves European waters have, and give each of them a stack of Euros and a Eurailpass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s take a page out of Castro&#8217;s book, and do a Mariel Boatlift on them. Send every frickin&#8217; one of the detainees by illicit boat to whatever hidden coves European waters have, and give each of them a stack of Euros and a Eurailpass.</p>
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		<title>By: Cosmeau Bugleweed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cosmeau Bugleweed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 18:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#2 outta my league:

You may be joking but: 

The Supreme Court of Canada has just dropped a unanimous decision to the effect that the disciplinary records and employment history of the police may be demanded by the defence lawyers in any criminal trial.

The police are effectively on trial as well. 

Perhaps the complaint files and disciplinary records of the defence lawyers also might be made public, the files on the judge with the Judicial Council, as well. 

Since the police now have to get naked, why not everybody else? 

But we know why, do we not.

(I apologize if this appears slightly off-topic but it seems to me to be a parallel issue, since your new president looks to be headed down the Canadian socialist highway to hell.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#2 outta my league:</p>
<p>You may be joking but: </p>
<p>The Supreme Court of Canada has just dropped a unanimous decision to the effect that the disciplinary records and employment history of the police may be demanded by the defence lawyers in any criminal trial.</p>
<p>The police are effectively on trial as well. </p>
<p>Perhaps the complaint files and disciplinary records of the defence lawyers also might be made public, the files on the judge with the Judicial Council, as well. </p>
<p>Since the police now have to get naked, why not everybody else? </p>
<p>But we know why, do we not.</p>
<p>(I apologize if this appears slightly off-topic but it seems to me to be a parallel issue, since your new president looks to be headed down the Canadian socialist highway to hell.)</p>
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		<title>By: outa my league</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/01/22/not-in-my-backyard/#comment-30898</link>
		<dc:creator>outa my league</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 18:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Johnny Sutton has just learned that they were all shot in the butt.

Indictments of US soldiers to follow, stay tuned.

Bush (clarifying his Legacy) says, I didn&#039;t know that, or I would have turned &#039;em over to Johnny long ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johnny Sutton has just learned that they were all shot in the butt.</p>
<p>Indictments of US soldiers to follow, stay tuned.</p>
<p>Bush (clarifying his Legacy) says, I didn&#8217;t know that, or I would have turned &#8216;em over to Johnny long ago.</p>
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