Comments on: The Grand Inquisitors http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/01/21/the-grand-inquisitors/ Just another Pajamasmedia.com weblog Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:40:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Wadeusaf http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/01/21/the-grand-inquisitors/#comment-31076 Wadeusaf Sat, 24 Jan 2009 15:56:50 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/?p=1938#comment-31076 Okay, of three versions of Fatah, all are terrorists. My bad. Okay, of three versions of Fatah, all are terrorists. My bad.

]]> By: Jay http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/01/21/the-grand-inquisitors/#comment-30680 Jay Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:04:59 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/?p=1938#comment-30680 Almost all of the Japanese military war criminals were never tried by the US or any other country victimized by the Japanese war machine. I saw a program about that some years ago but no explanation was given. I was invited two years ago to present a lecture at the Beijing and Nanjing law schools. When I was taken to the museum in central Nanjing I was surprised to see that the exhibit about what the Japanese did to the people of Nanjing and other Chinese was low key. When I returned to Beijing and asked my ex Ph.D. student about that he told me that the Chinese government is ashamed of the weakness of the Chinese government before WW2 and during the war. So they blame themselves but still despise the Japanese. In my somewhat limited travels in Asia and my not so limited discussions with Asian graduate students I believe that the only friends that the Japanese have is the US! I was a child during WW2. We used the verb "jap" to mean a despicable act against someone. The word has disappeared from the our language. By the way the Japanese government and milirary still refuse to admit their crimes during WW2. The only Chinese that do not dislike the Japanese are the Taiwanese. The so called "native Taiwanese" (not the folks who flew China with Chang) were respected by their Japanese overlords. The old building of the National Taiwanese University was financed by the Japanese and are of Japanese "style". There are Japanese tea houses and geisha houses in Taipei and other cities in Taiwan. I believe that the reason our "press" when doing WW2 history ignores Manila and hypes the A bombing but not the fire bombing of Tokyo is that it fits with their leftis narrative. After all we did dabble with imperialism in the Phillpins after the Spanish-American War. But there was no public support for what we did there. Almost all of the Japanese military war criminals were never tried by the US or any other country victimized by the Japanese war machine. I saw a program about that some years ago but no explanation was given.
I was invited two years ago to present a lecture at the Beijing and Nanjing law schools. When I was taken to the museum in central Nanjing I was surprised to see that the exhibit about what the Japanese did to the people of Nanjing and other Chinese was low key. When I returned to Beijing and asked my ex Ph.D. student about that he told me that the Chinese government is ashamed of the weakness of the Chinese government before WW2 and during the war. So they blame themselves but still despise the Japanese.
In my somewhat limited travels in Asia and my not so limited discussions with Asian graduate students I believe that the only friends that the Japanese have is the US!
I was a child during WW2. We used the verb “jap” to mean a despicable act against someone. The word has disappeared from the our language.
By the way the Japanese government and milirary still refuse to admit their crimes during WW2. The only Chinese that do not dislike the Japanese are the Taiwanese. The so called “native Taiwanese” (not the folks who flew China with Chang) were respected by their Japanese overlords. The old building of the National Taiwanese University was financed by the Japanese and are of Japanese “style”. There are Japanese tea houses and geisha houses in Taipei and other cities in Taiwan.
I believe that the reason our “press” when doing WW2 history ignores Manila and hypes the A bombing but not the fire bombing of Tokyo is that it fits with their leftis narrative. After all we did dabble with imperialism in the Phillpins after the Spanish-American War. But there was no public support for what we did there.

]]> By: Wadeusaf http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/01/21/the-grand-inquisitors/#comment-30661 Wadeusaf Thu, 22 Jan 2009 13:23:32 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/?p=1938#comment-30661 Fatah has not, to my knowledge, been given the terror group label. Hamas and the PLO have. The training was prior to the elections and the equipment was part of the spoils Hamas demanded in tossing out the old militia and installing their own in a question of loyalties and the manner of the top dog. Uncivil servants collecting spoils, and denying any claim up to the present interpretation of the world according to...whomever. Sort a like the code pink wing...among others in the democrat camp only (so far) without guns to keep it civil. Fatah has not, to my knowledge, been given the terror group label. Hamas and the PLO have. The training was prior to the elections and the equipment was part of the spoils Hamas demanded in tossing out the old militia and installing their own in a question of loyalties and the manner of the top dog. Uncivil servants collecting spoils, and denying any claim up to the present interpretation of the world according to…whomever. Sort a like the code pink wing…among others in the democrat camp only (so far) without guns to keep it civil.

]]> By: Augean Stables » The Palestinians’ Worst Enemy: The Poisoned Gift of European Anti-Semitism http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/01/21/the-grand-inquisitors/#comment-30626 Augean Stables » The Palestinians’ Worst Enemy: The Poisoned Gift of European Anti-Semitism Thu, 22 Jan 2009 06:30:51 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/?p=1938#comment-30626 [...] For those progressives with enough remaining integrity to look at the current madness over Israel and wonder what’s wrong, I invite them to the following meditation. The behavior of Hamas described below in Belmont Club’s discussion, the deeds of that very same Hamas whose flags German’s successfully petitioned their courts for permission to wave at their anti-war demonstrations, is the karmic product of sixty years of proxy hatreds, now reaching new temperatures. Under a terrifying assault by neighbors driven mad by their own leaders’ mad policies, the Gazans find themselves literally crucified by a reign of terror. January 21st, 2009 3:31 am The Grand Inquisitors [...] [...] For those progressives with enough remaining integrity to look at the current madness over Israel and wonder what’s wrong, I invite them to the following meditation. The behavior of Hamas described below in Belmont Club’s discussion, the deeds of that very same Hamas whose flags German’s successfully petitioned their courts for permission to wave at their anti-war demonstrations, is the karmic product of sixty years of proxy hatreds, now reaching new temperatures. Under a terrifying assault by neighbors driven mad by their own leaders’ mad policies, the Gazans find themselves literally crucified by a reign of terror. January 21st, 2009 3:31 am The Grand Inquisitors [...]

]]> By: Benj http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/01/21/the-grand-inquisitors/#comment-30599 Benj Thu, 22 Jan 2009 05:03:10 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/?p=1938#comment-30599 Thanks for that Wade - I'm going to look into that - my hunch is that Bush's instincts might not have cohered perfected with Abrams' in this instance - Lord knows everybody in that Admin was not always on the same page...- My understanding is that Hamas proposed a coalition gov with Abbas as Pres? But that Israel and the U.S. told ABbas no can go. Not sure that was the wisest move - though one can understand reluctance to deal with Islamist brutes. Still - we've been betting the house on some tribal/Islamist horrors in Iraq. And that was right thing to do there...Hmmm. Thanks for that Wade – I’m going to look into that – my hunch is that Bush’s instincts might not have cohered perfected with Abrams’ in this instance – Lord knows everybody in that Admin was not always on the same page…- My understanding is that Hamas proposed a coalition gov with Abbas as Pres? But that Israel and the U.S. told ABbas no can go. Not sure that was the wisest move – though one can understand reluctance to deal with Islamist brutes. Still – we’ve been betting the house on some tribal/Islamist horrors in Iraq. And that was right thing to do there…Hmmm.

]]> By: Wadeusaf http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/01/21/the-grand-inquisitors/#comment-30594 Wadeusaf Thu, 22 Jan 2009 04:41:11 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/?p=1938#comment-30594 I think they are correct, Benj, I recall reading such stuff, although I do believe th idea was to train up a security force that could and would be able to do something more than look pretty like they did under Arafat. Hammas got where it is due to a family feud over Arafat's spoils. Too many Fatah factions made Hammas election a shoe in. Fatah was fat and couldn't knock out Hammas when it had authority. Too bad. The torture rooms, if reports are true are indicative of a sick turn. Perhaps the Gazans will find the strength to fight against Hamas, like the folks in Al Anbar did. Perhaps due to proximity there is just no way to pull it off short of a long and costly siege. Things are going to get UGLY in Gaza, or would that be Uglier. If Hamas comes out on top Egypt will pay a heavy price. They should have given Israel a bigger wink and a longer nod. And told the EU to mind its own. That would have been typical ME politics. I think they are correct, Benj, I recall reading such stuff, although I do believe th idea was to train up a security force that could and would be able to do something more than look pretty like they did under Arafat.

Hammas got where it is due to a family feud over Arafat’s spoils. Too many Fatah factions made Hammas election a shoe in. Fatah was fat and couldn’t knock out Hammas when it had authority. Too bad.

The torture rooms, if reports are true are indicative of a sick turn. Perhaps the Gazans will find the strength to fight against Hamas, like the folks in Al Anbar did. Perhaps due to proximity there is just no way to pull it off short of a long and costly siege. Things are going to get UGLY in Gaza, or would that be Uglier. If Hamas comes out on top Egypt will pay a heavy price. They should have given Israel a bigger wink and a longer nod. And told the EU to mind its own. That would have been typical ME politics.

]]> By: Annoy Mouse http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/01/21/the-grand-inquisitors/#comment-30588 Annoy Mouse Thu, 22 Jan 2009 04:26:27 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/?p=1938#comment-30588 I'll wait for the fireworks! ;-) I’ll wait for the fireworks! ;-)

]]> By: what is occupation http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/01/21/the-grand-inquisitors/#comment-30541 what is occupation Wed, 21 Jan 2009 23:58:50 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/?p=1938#comment-30541 44. Annoy Mouse: WIO? “It’s time to go back to my original sig…. Pork Rinds For Allah…..” Oh man that was you? You seem so much more temperate in your latest incarnation. lol... for every season is a reason... Then the issue was I was pissed and wanted to provoke.. then I got the idea to educate people about "what is occupation" and how everyone in the world is an occupier in some form... And learning about Arab history and THEIR conquest of the middle east and how the Berbers, Coptics, Kurds and YES Jews were historically rooted in places that the arabs just arrived on the scene in 630ce... (that's recent to us..) but now that it's illegal in holland to say bad things of the qu'ran, and it's ok to wave hamas flags in germany (but dont have an israeli one) I think it's time to go back to the lenny bruce approach of informing people.... 44. Annoy Mouse:
WIO?
“It’s time to go back to my original sig…. Pork Rinds For Allah…..”

Oh man that was you? You seem so much more temperate in your latest incarnation.

lol… for every season is a reason…

Then the issue was I was pissed and wanted to provoke.. then I got the idea to educate people about “what is occupation” and how everyone in the world is an occupier in some form…

And learning about Arab history and THEIR conquest of the middle east and how the Berbers, Coptics, Kurds and YES Jews were historically rooted in places that the arabs just arrived on the scene in 630ce… (that’s recent to us..)

but now that it’s illegal in holland to say bad things of the qu’ran, and it’s ok to wave hamas flags in germany (but dont have an israeli one) I think it’s time to go back to the lenny bruce approach of informing people….

]]> By: Annoy Mouse http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/01/21/the-grand-inquisitors/#comment-30540 Annoy Mouse Wed, 21 Jan 2009 23:52:07 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/?p=1938#comment-30540 WIO? "It’s time to go back to my original sig…. Pork Rinds For Allah….." Oh man that was you? You seem so much more temperate in your latest incarnation. As far as pork is concerned, the Muslims seem to have a work around for breaking every rule there is. Temporary marriages in cat houses? One religious edict could undo many dollars in pro-measure. WIO?
“It’s time to go back to my original sig…. Pork Rinds For Allah…..”

Oh man that was you? You seem so much more temperate in your latest incarnation.

As far as pork is concerned, the Muslims seem to have a work around for breaking every rule there is. Temporary marriages in cat houses? One religious edict could undo many dollars in pro-measure.

]]> By: Richard Moorton http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/01/21/the-grand-inquisitors/#comment-30523 Richard Moorton Wed, 21 Jan 2009 22:06:24 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/?p=1938#comment-30523 NahnCee makes a very important point. The Palestinians voted Hamas into power, knowing exactly what they were. Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind. I do not rejoice in the carnage. But what else could Israel do? The fact that they hurt Hamas so badly and killed so few civilians, under the circumstances, is a tribute to both Israeli military skill and, yes, humanity. Best, Richard NahnCee makes a very important point. The Palestinians voted Hamas into power, knowing exactly what they were. Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.

I do not rejoice in the carnage. But what else could Israel do? The fact that they hurt Hamas so badly and killed so few civilians, under the circumstances, is a tribute to both Israeli military skill and, yes, humanity.

Best,

Richard

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