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		<title>By: El_Heffe</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/01/10/imagine/#comment-29767</link>
		<dc:creator>El_Heffe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About rights from God...

Mankind&#039;s inalienable rights can be neither surrendered nor transfered nor taken away, but they can be violated (ie if a man is enslaved his right to liberty has been violated but not removed, he retains an ongoing right to liberty despite his enslavment).

Violated rights constitute an injustice. God sees to it that sooner or later all injustices are made good. Thus one violates another&#039;s rights at one&#039;s own peril.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About rights from God&#8230;</p>
<p>Mankind&#8217;s inalienable rights can be neither surrendered nor transfered nor taken away, but they can be violated (ie if a man is enslaved his right to liberty has been violated but not removed, he retains an ongoing right to liberty despite his enslavment).</p>
<p>Violated rights constitute an injustice. God sees to it that sooner or later all injustices are made good. Thus one violates another&#8217;s rights at one&#8217;s own peril.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Murphy</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/01/10/imagine/#comment-29602</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Nahncee. I couldn&#039;t help myself.</description>
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		<title>By: Bob Murphy</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/01/10/imagine/#comment-29601</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>36. Dennis
&quot;Who will defend those who are trapped within the tribalist world?&quot;
If not us (the US and the rest of the Anglosphere)then no one that I know of.
And our advocacy need not be through kinetic warfare only.
We need a Radio Free Europe type entity broadcasting into Iran, the Arab countries and elsewhere in the 3rd world to offset the Al Jazeeras and other mad mouthpieces.
We need to support those people everywhere who want modernity and freedom from intimidation by corrupt governments and screwball fundamentalists and marxist social engineers.
The White Man&#039;s Burden :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>36. Dennis<br />
&#8220;Who will defend those who are trapped within the tribalist world?&#8221;<br />
If not us (the US and the rest of the Anglosphere)then no one that I know of.<br />
And our advocacy need not be through kinetic warfare only.<br />
We need a Radio Free Europe type entity broadcasting into Iran, the Arab countries and elsewhere in the 3rd world to offset the Al Jazeeras and other mad mouthpieces.<br />
We need to support those people everywhere who want modernity and freedom from intimidation by corrupt governments and screwball fundamentalists and marxist social engineers.<br />
The White Man&#8217;s Burden <img src='http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob Murphy:

Exactly.  The category of freedom has to be exceptional.  That&#039;s why it is secured within the realm of G-d, to remove it conceptually away from the danger of redefinition, the language games of the intelligencia.  I don&#039;t know if you have noticed already, but the contest of meaning is the principal weapon of the power hungry.

And by the way, freedom does not mean rights, but it does lead to a formulation of an array of rights that serves to frame and defend the state of freedom.

While the Left and the tribalists are flinging the epithet of &quot;Great Satan&quot;, they silence dissenters within their ranks, both with soft and hard means.  Are you aware of the lynching within the Palestinian community?  Who will defend those who are trapped within the tribalist world?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob Murphy:</p>
<p>Exactly.  The category of freedom has to be exceptional.  That&#8217;s why it is secured within the realm of G-d, to remove it conceptually away from the danger of redefinition, the language games of the intelligencia.  I don&#8217;t know if you have noticed already, but the contest of meaning is the principal weapon of the power hungry.</p>
<p>And by the way, freedom does not mean rights, but it does lead to a formulation of an array of rights that serves to frame and defend the state of freedom.</p>
<p>While the Left and the tribalists are flinging the epithet of &#8220;Great Satan&#8221;, they silence dissenters within their ranks, both with soft and hard means.  Are you aware of the lynching within the Palestinian community?  Who will defend those who are trapped within the tribalist world?</p>
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		<title>By: Fresh Bilge &#187; Clash, Crash, or Trash?</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/01/10/imagine/#comment-29537</link>
		<dc:creator>Fresh Bilge &#187; Clash, Crash, or Trash?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] an exceptionally interesting comment thread at this Belmont Club post on the thesis of Samuel Huntington. Is there really a &#8220;clash of civilizations?&#8221; Does the thesis grant too much credit to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] an exceptionally interesting comment thread at this Belmont Club post on the thesis of Samuel Huntington. Is there really a &#8220;clash of civilizations?&#8221; Does the thesis grant too much credit to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Fletcher Christian</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/01/10/imagine/#comment-29535</link>
		<dc:creator>Fletcher Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The future of human civilisation is technological - and therefore has some components usually called Western although some technological societies are strange indeed to Anglos; witness Japan. If not, then it doesn&#039;t have a future at all.

And the future of civilisation is out in the wild black yonder, or nowhere. Everything we need to run civilisation is running out - easily available energy, vital strategic metals, everything. Out there, everything is available in astronomical amounts - literally.

Fast forward to 2200 AD; Earth will be a backwater of no importance, and perhaps baseline humans won&#039;t be of any importance either. Either that, or we won&#039;t have a civilisation at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The future of human civilisation is technological &#8211; and therefore has some components usually called Western although some technological societies are strange indeed to Anglos; witness Japan. If not, then it doesn&#8217;t have a future at all.</p>
<p>And the future of civilisation is out in the wild black yonder, or nowhere. Everything we need to run civilisation is running out &#8211; easily available energy, vital strategic metals, everything. Out there, everything is available in astronomical amounts &#8211; literally.</p>
<p>Fast forward to 2200 AD; Earth will be a backwater of no importance, and perhaps baseline humans won&#8217;t be of any importance either. Either that, or we won&#8217;t have a civilisation at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are so intractable.</description>
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		<title>By: Bob Murphy</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/01/10/imagine/#comment-29528</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>28. Dennis

You&#039;re cracking me up with that notion of &quot;Judaism&#039;s central tenant is a gift of freedom from G-d...&quot;
So their exceptionalism then has the same basis as American exceptionalism where freedom (rights) are given by G-d and not the gift of some damn government as with most countries in the world, the concomitant being, of course that they are thus intrinsic and not to be messed with by mere mortals or social engineers.

No wonder the Left and the tribals hate both Israel and the Great Satan.:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>28. Dennis</p>
<p>You&#8217;re cracking me up with that notion of &#8220;Judaism&#8217;s central tenant is a gift of freedom from G-d&#8230;&#8221;<br />
So their exceptionalism then has the same basis as American exceptionalism where freedom (rights) are given by G-d and not the gift of some damn government as with most countries in the world, the concomitant being, of course that they are thus intrinsic and not to be messed with by mere mortals or social engineers.</p>
<p>No wonder the Left and the tribals hate both Israel and the Great Satan.:)</p>
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		<title>By: Wadeusaf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wadeusaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 21:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a&gt; An Intimate Conversation with Michelle and Barack Obama,&lt;/a&gt; was taped for a book about American marriages and was never published until recently when ABC&#039;s Tom McCarthy found it in LeMonds printed in French. --Mercy Boucups.

I cannot believe that spengler believes the clash of culture/civilizations has not been a part of the growth and struggle of man for quite some time. Historically tracing mans footsteps out of Africa and then tracing the bump of the first migration given by the second migration given to the third migration and the feedback of the first migration having reached an end point and sounding out the trail to the last migration and so forth and so on. Feed back loops and noise, motivation is mainly to get away from everyone else, whether it is Daniel Boone running from the neighbors chimney smoke or Paul Bunyon running away from shame, everybody has a story about seeking nirvana and finding something altogether else.

 So the balance is how to live with yourself while remaining respectable in the eyes of your neighbors, given that they have the same fears that you&#039;ll find out what they don&#039;t want you to know about them too. And it is the women folk who always chatter on with each other and mess everything up, so the mongol hoard had to ride into China proper and later took on india and yada, yada, yada. Just like Paris stole some greecian delight and got chased  back to Cambridge, erm Troy. Feedback loops and noise. 

 Eventually some storytellers will figure out stories that enough of us can live with to leave the other guy alone for a while, even if we can see the whites of their undies and smell the vapors of their noodle roni. Till then it would be a shame to be left with only the doors...,

&quot;Keep your eyes on the road
Your hands upon the wheel.&quot;

Yeah, the back of the roadhouse,
They&#039;ve got some bungalows.

They dance for the people
Who like to go down slow.

Let it roll, baby, roll.
Let it roll, all night long.

Roll, roll, roll, roll-a
Thrill my soul.

Ashen-Lady.
Give up your vows.
Save our city.

Well, I woke up this morning
And I got myself a beer.

The future&#039;s uncertain
And the end is always near.

Let it roll, baby, roll.
Let it roll, baby, roll.
Let it roll, baby, roll.
Let it roll, all night long.&quot;

But can we be content with...,

Tales Of Brave Ulysses
by Eric Clapton and Martin Sharp

You thought the leaden winter would bring you down forever,
But you rode upon a steamer to the violence of the sun.

And the colors of the sea blind your eyes with trembling mermaids,
And you touch the distant beaches with tales of brave Ulysses:
How his naked ears were tortured by the sirens sweetly singing,
For the sparkling waves are calling you to kiss their white laced lips.

And you see a girl&#039;s brown body dancing through the turquoise,
And her footprints make you follow where the sky loves the sea.
And when your fingers find her, she drowns you in her body,
Carving deep blue ripples in the tissues of your mind.

The tiny purple fishes run laughing through your fingers,
And you want to take her with you to the hard land of the winter.

Her name is Aphrodite and she rides a crimson shell,
And you know you cannot leave her for you touched the distant sands
With tales of brave Ulysses; how his naked ears were tortured
By the sirens sweetly singing.

The tiny purple fishes run lauging through your fingers,
And you want to take her with you to the hard land of the winter.

Stratocasters, heyeah, not a bad way to build a civilization either, played by the right band.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a> An Intimate Conversation with Michelle and Barack Obama,</a> was taped for a book about American marriages and was never published until recently when ABC&#8217;s Tom McCarthy found it in LeMonds printed in French. &#8211;Mercy Boucups.</p>
<p>I cannot believe that spengler believes the clash of culture/civilizations has not been a part of the growth and struggle of man for quite some time. Historically tracing mans footsteps out of Africa and then tracing the bump of the first migration given by the second migration given to the third migration and the feedback of the first migration having reached an end point and sounding out the trail to the last migration and so forth and so on. Feed back loops and noise, motivation is mainly to get away from everyone else, whether it is Daniel Boone running from the neighbors chimney smoke or Paul Bunyon running away from shame, everybody has a story about seeking nirvana and finding something altogether else.</p>
<p> So the balance is how to live with yourself while remaining respectable in the eyes of your neighbors, given that they have the same fears that you&#8217;ll find out what they don&#8217;t want you to know about them too. And it is the women folk who always chatter on with each other and mess everything up, so the mongol hoard had to ride into China proper and later took on india and yada, yada, yada. Just like Paris stole some greecian delight and got chased  back to Cambridge, erm Troy. Feedback loops and noise. </p>
<p> Eventually some storytellers will figure out stories that enough of us can live with to leave the other guy alone for a while, even if we can see the whites of their undies and smell the vapors of their noodle roni. Till then it would be a shame to be left with only the doors&#8230;,</p>
<p>&#8220;Keep your eyes on the road<br />
Your hands upon the wheel.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, the back of the roadhouse,<br />
They&#8217;ve got some bungalows.</p>
<p>They dance for the people<br />
Who like to go down slow.</p>
<p>Let it roll, baby, roll.<br />
Let it roll, all night long.</p>
<p>Roll, roll, roll, roll-a<br />
Thrill my soul.</p>
<p>Ashen-Lady.<br />
Give up your vows.<br />
Save our city.</p>
<p>Well, I woke up this morning<br />
And I got myself a beer.</p>
<p>The future&#8217;s uncertain<br />
And the end is always near.</p>
<p>Let it roll, baby, roll.<br />
Let it roll, baby, roll.<br />
Let it roll, baby, roll.<br />
Let it roll, all night long.&#8221;</p>
<p>But can we be content with&#8230;,</p>
<p>Tales Of Brave Ulysses<br />
by Eric Clapton and Martin Sharp</p>
<p>You thought the leaden winter would bring you down forever,<br />
But you rode upon a steamer to the violence of the sun.</p>
<p>And the colors of the sea blind your eyes with trembling mermaids,<br />
And you touch the distant beaches with tales of brave Ulysses:<br />
How his naked ears were tortured by the sirens sweetly singing,<br />
For the sparkling waves are calling you to kiss their white laced lips.</p>
<p>And you see a girl&#8217;s brown body dancing through the turquoise,<br />
And her footprints make you follow where the sky loves the sea.<br />
And when your fingers find her, she drowns you in her body,<br />
Carving deep blue ripples in the tissues of your mind.</p>
<p>The tiny purple fishes run laughing through your fingers,<br />
And you want to take her with you to the hard land of the winter.</p>
<p>Her name is Aphrodite and she rides a crimson shell,<br />
And you know you cannot leave her for you touched the distant sands<br />
With tales of brave Ulysses; how his naked ears were tortured<br />
By the sirens sweetly singing.</p>
<p>The tiny purple fishes run lauging through your fingers,<br />
And you want to take her with you to the hard land of the winter.</p>
<p>Stratocasters, heyeah, not a bad way to build a civilization either, played by the right band.</p>
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		<title>By: NahnCee</title>
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		<dc:creator>NahnCee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 20:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When we do get to the point of heading out to the stars, it will be the equivalent of the Pilgrims setting sail to the New World because they just couldn&#039;t stand all the stupid rules any more.

Which means that about 200 years after that initial blast-off into space, Mars or the moon or wherever the neo-pilgrims land should be successful enough to be the new overlords of Earth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When we do get to the point of heading out to the stars, it will be the equivalent of the Pilgrims setting sail to the New World because they just couldn&#8217;t stand all the stupid rules any more.</p>
<p>Which means that about 200 years after that initial blast-off into space, Mars or the moon or wherever the neo-pilgrims land should be successful enough to be the new overlords of Earth.</p>
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