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		<title>By: veracious</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/01/08/the-big-chill/#comment-29248</link>
		<dc:creator>veracious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 22:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>W,

&lt;i&gt;softly and carrying a big stick’ &lt;/i&gt;

I more suspect, the stick is used so _rarely_ used, that it&#039;s easy to disregard, esp. if the rewards are big.  Regards...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>W,</p>
<p><i>softly and carrying a big stick’ </i></p>
<p>I more suspect, the stick is used so _rarely_ used, that it&#8217;s easy to disregard, esp. if the rewards are big.  Regards&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: barry</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/01/08/the-big-chill/#comment-29201</link>
		<dc:creator>barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 16:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let the Euros freeze.</description>
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		<title>By: Steve J. Nelson</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/01/08/the-big-chill/#comment-29001</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve J. Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wretchard: &lt;i&gt;To break out of this cycle before everything hits the ground will probably require technological innovation or a chance in the cost structure. Maybe when the Russians and the Middle East run out of cheap oil things will change.&lt;/i&gt;

Based on my conversations with a former Chevron executive in Moscow, there is no way Russia is going to run out of oil anytime soon, though whether it is &quot;cheap&quot; or not would depend on the appetite of foreign investors to lend billions to Rosneft and Gazprom for exploration in the frigid Yamal Peninsula (think the North Slope of Alaska) and for additional exploration in Eastern Siberia. The ex-Chevron exec though said there is plenty of oil left in the traditional Western Siberian fields as long as Russia remains open to Westerners coming in to develop it. 

Hopefully, just as Russia developed the Stabilization Fund (which it is rapidly burning through) as a hedge against a 1998-style collapse in commodity prices, it can also learn from this current collapse that resource nationalism and at least winking and nodding at Iranian and Venezuelan attempts to artificially inflate the worldwide price of oil have their price too. 

Just because Russia is justified in pressing for a higher price now that the contract has expired (and the other commenters never addressed the issue of Ukrainian oligarchs, perhaps with the connivance of politicians like Timoshenko, outright STEALING gas from the pipe) doesn&#039;t mean Russia is entirely blameless in all of this. It&#039;s just that the West needs to wake up and realize that Ukraine is a failed state with perpetually warring clans masquerading as a government and that the second a wildly unpopular regime in Kyev forces NATO membership down the throats of an unwilling population, the eastern half of the country and the Crimea will secede and form a defacto &lt;i&gt;anschluss&lt;/i&gt; with Mother Russia. The idiots pushing for NATO membership, such as John McCain and his lobbyist/advisor Randy Scheunemann, never seemed to care about this scenario. Perhaps it would allow them to justify the &quot;moral clarity&quot; and New Cold War they&#039;ve been dreaming of for sometime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wretchard: <i>To break out of this cycle before everything hits the ground will probably require technological innovation or a chance in the cost structure. Maybe when the Russians and the Middle East run out of cheap oil things will change.</i></p>
<p>Based on my conversations with a former Chevron executive in Moscow, there is no way Russia is going to run out of oil anytime soon, though whether it is &#8220;cheap&#8221; or not would depend on the appetite of foreign investors to lend billions to Rosneft and Gazprom for exploration in the frigid Yamal Peninsula (think the North Slope of Alaska) and for additional exploration in Eastern Siberia. The ex-Chevron exec though said there is plenty of oil left in the traditional Western Siberian fields as long as Russia remains open to Westerners coming in to develop it. </p>
<p>Hopefully, just as Russia developed the Stabilization Fund (which it is rapidly burning through) as a hedge against a 1998-style collapse in commodity prices, it can also learn from this current collapse that resource nationalism and at least winking and nodding at Iranian and Venezuelan attempts to artificially inflate the worldwide price of oil have their price too. </p>
<p>Just because Russia is justified in pressing for a higher price now that the contract has expired (and the other commenters never addressed the issue of Ukrainian oligarchs, perhaps with the connivance of politicians like Timoshenko, outright STEALING gas from the pipe) doesn&#8217;t mean Russia is entirely blameless in all of this. It&#8217;s just that the West needs to wake up and realize that Ukraine is a failed state with perpetually warring clans masquerading as a government and that the second a wildly unpopular regime in Kyev forces NATO membership down the throats of an unwilling population, the eastern half of the country and the Crimea will secede and form a defacto <i>anschluss</i> with Mother Russia. The idiots pushing for NATO membership, such as John McCain and his lobbyist/advisor Randy Scheunemann, never seemed to care about this scenario. Perhaps it would allow them to justify the &#8220;moral clarity&#8221; and New Cold War they&#8217;ve been dreaming of for sometime.</p>
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		<title>By: weSwinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>weSwinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s beautiful the way the euro-trash with their solipsistic prancing and posing and posturing have tied themselves to a treacherous monopoly provider of heating fuel, fastidiously cut themselves off from economic alternatives, and then have hissy fits when said treacherous monopolist cuts them off and demands higher prices during a cold snap.

Just pay up, a******s!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s beautiful the way the euro-trash with their solipsistic prancing and posing and posturing have tied themselves to a treacherous monopoly provider of heating fuel, fastidiously cut themselves off from economic alternatives, and then have hissy fits when said treacherous monopolist cuts them off and demands higher prices during a cold snap.</p>
<p>Just pay up, a******s!</p>
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		<title>By: Roderick Reilly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roderick Reilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 18:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;24. Tom Holsinger:
 

Wretchard said:

“How exactly NATO would help was not explained.”

NATO will send diplomats.&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;

I disagree. I think they will get tough and send people in uniforms with binoculars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8221;"&#8221;"&#8221;"&#8221;"24. Tom Holsinger:</p>
<p>Wretchard said:</p>
<p>“How exactly NATO would help was not explained.”</p>
<p>NATO will send diplomats.&#8221;"&#8221;"&#8221;"&#8221;"&#8221;</p>
<p>I disagree. I think they will get tough and send people in uniforms with binoculars.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Holsinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Holsinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 15:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wretchard said:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;How exactly NATO would help was not explained.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

NATO will send diplomats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wretchard said:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;How exactly NATO would help was not explained.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>NATO will send diplomats.</p>
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		<title>By: FEriksen</title>
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		<dc:creator>FEriksen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 12:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#22:

That was actually a very interesting perspective that I myself had not thought of at all, but, when presented like that, actually makes perfect sense.

I thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#22:</p>
<p>That was actually a very interesting perspective that I myself had not thought of at all, but, when presented like that, actually makes perfect sense.</p>
<p>I thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Casca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Casca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 08:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, 

From what I&#039;ve heard, you&#039;re wrong, but I haven&#039;t actually read the contract myself.  Supposedly, the contract is current and the price Ukraine is supposed to pay on their contract isn&#039;t negotiable until the end of 2009 at the earliest.

Russia claims the contract terms expired because &quot;an inter-government accord&quot; wasn&#039;t &quot;renewed&quot; this year.  Unfortunately, as I&#039;ve been lead to believe, only Putin, and not the contract, requires this accord to be passed each year.

In other words, Russia says the contract has expired while the contract says it has not.  Russia doesn&#039;t even want the money.  They want the pipeline.  They&#039;re jacking up the price so that Ukraine sells the pipeline to Russia.  When/if Ukraine nationalizes the pipeline back, Russia will have their casus belli.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, </p>
<p>From what I&#8217;ve heard, you&#8217;re wrong, but I haven&#8217;t actually read the contract myself.  Supposedly, the contract is current and the price Ukraine is supposed to pay on their contract isn&#8217;t negotiable until the end of 2009 at the earliest.</p>
<p>Russia claims the contract terms expired because &#8220;an inter-government accord&#8221; wasn&#8217;t &#8220;renewed&#8221; this year.  Unfortunately, as I&#8217;ve been lead to believe, only Putin, and not the contract, requires this accord to be passed each year.</p>
<p>In other words, Russia says the contract has expired while the contract says it has not.  Russia doesn&#8217;t even want the money.  They want the pipeline.  They&#8217;re jacking up the price so that Ukraine sells the pipeline to Russia.  When/if Ukraine nationalizes the pipeline back, Russia will have their casus belli.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 05:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A crisis over gas was inevitable because the oil price has collapsed and there is nothing Russia can do to prop it up; but gas can provide the revenue stream Russia needs under the right circumstances.

Methinks Ukraine is just a convent reason for dispute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A crisis over gas was inevitable because the oil price has collapsed and there is nothing Russia can do to prop it up; but gas can provide the revenue stream Russia needs under the right circumstances.</p>
<p>Methinks Ukraine is just a convent reason for dispute.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 03:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>19. Mark Maps:
I wish they would make their case better in the public arena, Mark. Maybe they have and I just missed it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>19. Mark Maps:<br />
I wish they would make their case better in the public arena, Mark. Maybe they have and I just missed it.</p>
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