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		<title>By: slade</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/12/20/the-march-of-folly/#comment-27428</link>
		<dc:creator>slade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 00:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rattler - I had a hunch that my meaning was clear but the blog medium is dicey.  Have a good holiday.  We&#039;re all gonna need it for 2009.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rattler &#8211; I had a hunch that my meaning was clear but the blog medium is dicey.  Have a good holiday.  We&#8217;re all gonna need it for 2009.</p>
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		<title>By: RattlerGator</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/12/20/the-march-of-folly/#comment-27412</link>
		<dc:creator>RattlerGator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 20:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>slade, I presumed you meant species but thanks for the clarification.</description>
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		<title>By: Old School</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/12/20/the-march-of-folly/#comment-27410</link>
		<dc:creator>Old School</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 20:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is organization design and systems again being blamed for the meltdown.  A system can&#039;t be accountable for things.  What can be held accountable are people.  The speculators who walked away from their contractual obligations.  The banker who did not have to lend money on the bare minimum standards allowed by regulations, but did so anyway. The legislator who wrote the regulations.  Individuals who wrote a contract and signed their name to it.  We have the accountable documents and contracts.  The question now is do leaders do something about it or are they just corks in the ocean?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is organization design and systems again being blamed for the meltdown.  A system can&#8217;t be accountable for things.  What can be held accountable are people.  The speculators who walked away from their contractual obligations.  The banker who did not have to lend money on the bare minimum standards allowed by regulations, but did so anyway. The legislator who wrote the regulations.  Individuals who wrote a contract and signed their name to it.  We have the accountable documents and contracts.  The question now is do leaders do something about it or are they just corks in the ocean?</p>
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		<title>By: Mario Sanchez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mario Sanchez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 15:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pascal,
I&#039;m not an Objectivist, although I am a small-L libertarian, so I can&#039;t address how much this is a failure of Randianism.

However, I take objection to this being labeled a failure of de-regulation. The issue in not the quantity of regulation any more than the number of lines of code define a good or bad peice of software. The number of regulations and mandates on the financial system did not shrink during the past 10-20 years. Instead, bad regulation was introduced and good regulation removed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pascal,<br />
I&#8217;m not an Objectivist, although I am a small-L libertarian, so I can&#8217;t address how much this is a failure of Randianism.</p>
<p>However, I take objection to this being labeled a failure of de-regulation. The issue in not the quantity of regulation any more than the number of lines of code define a good or bad peice of software. The number of regulations and mandates on the financial system did not shrink during the past 10-20 years. Instead, bad regulation was introduced and good regulation removed.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 13:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Korea is hardly a generation into prosperity. That would account for the difference in the societies.

Bubbles are pernicious beasts especially when they go on as long as this one did. People get convinced that what they saw was real.

Back in the tech bubble times, an acquaintance purchased Nortel stock at around $95. A great deal, it was $145 only a month ago. It promptly went down to $2 or something. The company is almost gone, the only sizable thing it has is a $3 billion pension fund to keep up.

Another friend called me last year and said he made more money on his house than he did working.

Ahh, if only money grew on trees every day.

Derek</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Korea is hardly a generation into prosperity. That would account for the difference in the societies.</p>
<p>Bubbles are pernicious beasts especially when they go on as long as this one did. People get convinced that what they saw was real.</p>
<p>Back in the tech bubble times, an acquaintance purchased Nortel stock at around $95. A great deal, it was $145 only a month ago. It promptly went down to $2 or something. The company is almost gone, the only sizable thing it has is a $3 billion pension fund to keep up.</p>
<p>Another friend called me last year and said he made more money on his house than he did working.</p>
<p>Ahh, if only money grew on trees every day.</p>
<p>Derek</p>
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		<title>By: RattlerGator</title>
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		<dc:creator>RattlerGator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 00:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For whatever its worth, slade, species is what I presumed you meant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For whatever its worth, slade, species is what I presumed you meant.</p>
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		<title>By: slade</title>
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		<dc:creator>slade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 12:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rattler -

I meant &quot;a &lt;b&gt;species&lt;/b&gt; divided by biology&quot; but the black race in this country has unique issues as you noted.  That wasn&#039;t were I was going.  I was more concerned about rectifying the lovey dovey ideal of the family with the reality of what I consider a serious level of sexual dysfunction in the modern world.  It&#039;s shuttled off the main screen as &quot;deviant&quot; behavior but I wonder about that - $10B business is serious money.  At any rate the decline of the family is more than single women seeking alpha males as they backslide into &quot;sub-replacement breeders.&quot;  Extending that paradigm to include &quot;matriarchal&quot; policies that feminize geopolitical interaction to the detriment of national security is a bridge too far.  Element of truth?  Yes.  But it&#039;s not the central player.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rattler -</p>
<p>I meant &#8220;a <b>species</b> divided by biology&#8221; but the black race in this country has unique issues as you noted.  That wasn&#8217;t were I was going.  I was more concerned about rectifying the lovey dovey ideal of the family with the reality of what I consider a serious level of sexual dysfunction in the modern world.  It&#8217;s shuttled off the main screen as &#8220;deviant&#8221; behavior but I wonder about that &#8211; $10B business is serious money.  At any rate the decline of the family is more than single women seeking alpha males as they backslide into &#8220;sub-replacement breeders.&#8221;  Extending that paradigm to include &#8220;matriarchal&#8221; policies that feminize geopolitical interaction to the detriment of national security is a bridge too far.  Element of truth?  Yes.  But it&#8217;s not the central player.</p>
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		<title>By: RattlerGator</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting perspective on L.A., Unsk.

Slade: &quot;On another note, it is interesting how gender, at a mythical or representational level, sparks the more existential, but subdued, reality of a race divided by biology.&quot;

Hmmmmmmmmm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting perspective on L.A., Unsk.</p>
<p>Slade: &#8220;On another note, it is interesting how gender, at a mythical or representational level, sparks the more existential, but subdued, reality of a race divided by biology.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hmmmmmmmmm.</p>
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		<title>By: Unsk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Unsk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 08:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marcus A., 
In LA County, the foreclosure capital of the US, the cause of the mortgage meltdown was definitely not overbuilding.  From 1990 to 2006, LA County issued permits for housing units that would house  at most 400,000 people, (without accounting for  housing demolished) but the County grew officially by 800,000, and unofficially by at least 2 million people. ( Most were illegal aliens who are very difficult to count.)

In fact according to I believe the Urban Land Institute, the mortgage crisis was most severe in those metropolitan areas that had the most restrictive housing, zoning and planning policies. 

Let me explain the situation in LA County. There is very little land zoned for development that has not been developed already. The vast majority of development is second and third generation development, where a house or units are torn down for either a larger house or a lot more units. The County and LA City have down zoned most residential property so growth is limited to just a few areas, often near public transit facilities, ( that don&#039;t work well). 

The result is a huge lack of supply of housing  for the demand, and so  as a consequence, a  huge rise in housing prices and rents occurred over the last 15 years.  This lack of supply created a speculative bubble. Many low income areas that were previously thought to be very undesirable became fairly expensive places to live. 

In addition to the lack of supply, the more and more restrictive and demanding building and planning  codes, environmental laws limiting manufacturing of building products, the longer and longer periods of time required for development,  the increased risk in development, and the international building boom and resultant shortage of many building materials led to a huge rise in construction costs. Approximately 250% from 1998 to 2006. Prices were really crazy in 2005. Bids were absurd. A contractor I know who was willing to construct a nice house in 1998 for $117 sf, was asking for almost a thousand dollars a square foot in 2005 for similar construction.

Furthermore to get the big  multi unit complexes built, developers often had to indulge  the politicians  ( most likely Democrats) fantasies. One very popular fantasy was that there was all of a sudden this huge market of young professionals willing and able to pay $600-750,000   for gritty, grungy, deconstructivist tiny urban loft condominiums and apartments in scary urban areas that  were truly unsuitable for family living. 

The democrats pushed this fantasy for two  reasons:  First, they could look &#039;progressive&quot; and hip for endorsing such hip solutions . 
Secondly, they could avoid the ire of the single family communities and environmentalists that hate growth and particularly more traffic. 

So now, LA has the worst of all worlds. Thousands of condo&#039;s few people want at anything near the price they were built for. A devastated condo market, a devastated lower income housing market, and a market where still most people cannot afford to buy and also increasingly can&#039;t afford to rent.

LA , the harbinger of many trends, went in exactly the opposite direction  that most of the country the last few decades. 30 years ago it was primarily a city of  homeowners. Now it is primarily a city of renters. 

Many economist think that the housing market needs to return to historical affordability standards to repair the mortgage meltdown crisis. From what I know, I don&#039;t see how replacement or new housing  cost is going to allow a return to historical affordability. Costs even in these desperate times are way to high.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marcus A.,<br />
In LA County, the foreclosure capital of the US, the cause of the mortgage meltdown was definitely not overbuilding.  From 1990 to 2006, LA County issued permits for housing units that would house  at most 400,000 people, (without accounting for  housing demolished) but the County grew officially by 800,000, and unofficially by at least 2 million people. ( Most were illegal aliens who are very difficult to count.)</p>
<p>In fact according to I believe the Urban Land Institute, the mortgage crisis was most severe in those metropolitan areas that had the most restrictive housing, zoning and planning policies. </p>
<p>Let me explain the situation in LA County. There is very little land zoned for development that has not been developed already. The vast majority of development is second and third generation development, where a house or units are torn down for either a larger house or a lot more units. The County and LA City have down zoned most residential property so growth is limited to just a few areas, often near public transit facilities, ( that don&#8217;t work well). </p>
<p>The result is a huge lack of supply of housing  for the demand, and so  as a consequence, a  huge rise in housing prices and rents occurred over the last 15 years.  This lack of supply created a speculative bubble. Many low income areas that were previously thought to be very undesirable became fairly expensive places to live. </p>
<p>In addition to the lack of supply, the more and more restrictive and demanding building and planning  codes, environmental laws limiting manufacturing of building products, the longer and longer periods of time required for development,  the increased risk in development, and the international building boom and resultant shortage of many building materials led to a huge rise in construction costs. Approximately 250% from 1998 to 2006. Prices were really crazy in 2005. Bids were absurd. A contractor I know who was willing to construct a nice house in 1998 for $117 sf, was asking for almost a thousand dollars a square foot in 2005 for similar construction.</p>
<p>Furthermore to get the big  multi unit complexes built, developers often had to indulge  the politicians  ( most likely Democrats) fantasies. One very popular fantasy was that there was all of a sudden this huge market of young professionals willing and able to pay $600-750,000   for gritty, grungy, deconstructivist tiny urban loft condominiums and apartments in scary urban areas that  were truly unsuitable for family living. </p>
<p>The democrats pushed this fantasy for two  reasons:  First, they could look &#8216;progressive&#8221; and hip for endorsing such hip solutions .<br />
Secondly, they could avoid the ire of the single family communities and environmentalists that hate growth and particularly more traffic. </p>
<p>So now, LA has the worst of all worlds. Thousands of condo&#8217;s few people want at anything near the price they were built for. A devastated condo market, a devastated lower income housing market, and a market where still most people cannot afford to buy and also increasingly can&#8217;t afford to rent.</p>
<p>LA , the harbinger of many trends, went in exactly the opposite direction  that most of the country the last few decades. 30 years ago it was primarily a city of  homeowners. Now it is primarily a city of renters. </p>
<p>Many economist think that the housing market needs to return to historical affordability standards to repair the mortgage meltdown crisis. From what I know, I don&#8217;t see how replacement or new housing  cost is going to allow a return to historical affordability. Costs even in these desperate times are way to high.</p>
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		<title>By: twobyfour</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 02:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@  #66
Alexis, true. In the modern context, the patriarchy and matriarchy are not as relevant, the paradigm shifted to a not-a-fish, nor-a-crowdad, chimeric metrosexarchy, an ideological and philanderical creature endowed with free-flowing estrogen and pinhead sized balls, a narcissit wuss to behold.

Luckily, it reproductive  abilities are severely restricted and it is slated for a dustbin of history. Only unpleasant thing is that our kids would have to deal with the manure this creature produced before dying out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@  #66<br />
Alexis, true. In the modern context, the patriarchy and matriarchy are not as relevant, the paradigm shifted to a not-a-fish, nor-a-crowdad, chimeric metrosexarchy, an ideological and philanderical creature endowed with free-flowing estrogen and pinhead sized balls, a narcissit wuss to behold.</p>
<p>Luckily, it reproductive  abilities are severely restricted and it is slated for a dustbin of history. Only unpleasant thing is that our kids would have to deal with the manure this creature produced before dying out.</p>
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