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		<title>By: Stones Cry Out - If they keep silent&#8230; &#187; Things Heard: e46v1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stones Cry Out - If they keep silent&#8230; &#187; Things Heard: e46v1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 13:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Undersea &#8230; also note Benedict on Islam. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Pseudo-Polymath &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Tuesday Highlights</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/12/19/under-the-sea/#comment-27267</link>
		<dc:creator>Pseudo-Polymath &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Tuesday Highlights</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 12:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Undersea &#8230; also note Benedict on Islam. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Internet cables to Mid-East and India cut - again &#171; Ravalli County News</title>
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		<dc:creator>Internet cables to Mid-East and India cut - again &#171; Ravalli County News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 01:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;&#8230; 3 undersea cables carrying a huge amount of Internet traffic for the Middle East and ... [...]</description>
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		<title>By: RWE</title>
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		<dc:creator>RWE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jaymaster:  Ironically, the largest user of Iridium turned out to be the Department of Defense.

Of course, the military can have people trained to set up a system for comm when required.  And despite certain aspects of the system that worried us at the Pentagon relative to military use, it seems to be popular, at least among the special ops crowd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jaymaster:  Ironically, the largest user of Iridium turned out to be the Department of Defense.</p>
<p>Of course, the military can have people trained to set up a system for comm when required.  And despite certain aspects of the system that worried us at the Pentagon relative to military use, it seems to be popular, at least among the special ops crowd.</p>
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		<title>By: V.B. Bart</title>
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		<dc:creator>V.B. Bart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also remember the January, 2008 incident when a couple of the cables were severed.  There were some comments at that time saying that such cuts would force traffic from the Middle East and South Asia to reroute through European communication points, thus making it much easier for Western intelligence services to monitor. Does anyone else remember this, perhaps in more detail?  Also, would it be true?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also remember the January, 2008 incident when a couple of the cables were severed.  There were some comments at that time saying that such cuts would force traffic from the Middle East and South Asia to reroute through European communication points, thus making it much easier for Western intelligence services to monitor. Does anyone else remember this, perhaps in more detail?  Also, would it be true?</p>
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		<title>By: X3NA</title>
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		<dc:creator>X3NA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With oil headed for $25 a barrel the Somali Pirates gotta make a living somehow. What better way than to cut off their brother Arabs&#039; access to bittorrent. &quot;You don&#039; get to pirate your Swedish orgy movies &#039;til you pay the real pirates, ya landlubber scalawags! Argh!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With oil headed for $25 a barrel the Somali Pirates gotta make a living somehow. What better way than to cut off their brother Arabs&#8217; access to bittorrent. &#8220;You don&#8217; get to pirate your Swedish orgy movies &#8217;til you pay the real pirates, ya landlubber scalawags! Argh!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: jaymaster</title>
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		<dc:creator>jaymaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 05:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RWE,

Yes, it’s damn long.  But that’s what separates the men from the boys, so to speak!

And speaking of Iridium, that certainly ended up being a commercial failure.  But those birds are still up there, and I suspect they aren’t going to waste.  

I’m an avowed libertarian.  But I don’t mind the government subsidizing some stuff like this every now and then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RWE,</p>
<p>Yes, it’s damn long.  But that’s what separates the men from the boys, so to speak!</p>
<p>And speaking of Iridium, that certainly ended up being a commercial failure.  But those birds are still up there, and I suspect they aren’t going to waste.  </p>
<p>I’m an avowed libertarian.  But I don’t mind the government subsidizing some stuff like this every now and then.</p>
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		<title>By: John Moore</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/12/19/under-the-sea/#comment-26899</link>
		<dc:creator>John Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 04:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A big question I haven&#039;t seen answered is whether the cuts happened in a place where the cables are very close together. If so (and I&#039;d bet on it), accident is the best explanation. In that case, the cables are not really redundant - they share at least one single point of failure. But unless efforts are made to create redundancy, one would expect cables to usually follow the same route.

Anyone have solid info?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A big question I haven&#8217;t seen answered is whether the cuts happened in a place where the cables are very close together. If so (and I&#8217;d bet on it), accident is the best explanation. In that case, the cables are not really redundant &#8211; they share at least one single point of failure. But unless efforts are made to create redundancy, one would expect cables to usually follow the same route.</p>
<p>Anyone have solid info?</p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 03:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>possibly mafia?  if the cut was near sicily and the sicilian mafia was just decapitated?...

bah.  could be a whale fart.  but where&#039;s the entertainment in that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>possibly mafia?  if the cut was near sicily and the sicilian mafia was just decapitated?&#8230;</p>
<p>bah.  could be a whale fart.  but where&#8217;s the entertainment in that.</p>
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		<title>By: RWE</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/12/19/under-the-sea/#comment-26882</link>
		<dc:creator>RWE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 01:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jaymaster:   That is an interesting article about undersea cables; thanks for the link.  I will have to read the whole thing the next time I am confined to the house for days on end by a tropical storm.  Which happens.

In the article they were discussing the different attitudes of telephony people and computer data people, and they even mentioned the coming of the Iridium satellite system.  Ironically, this attitude problem is where the Iridium people really screwed up.  Motorola failed to recognize the significance of the Internet and made their system suitable for voice only, like a telephone system.  That was the big mistake, but they compounded it by making setting up to talk on the phone as complicated as those guns they used to assemble on The Man From UNCLE, charging a very high price for the both equipment and talk time, and then expecting the governments of Russia and China to do marketing for them.  The company gave up on Iridium and even planned to deorbit the satellites, but finally sold it all for a ridiculously low price, the equivalent of getting a Ford Excursion Mega-SUV by sending in 4 cereal boxtops and 25 cents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jaymaster:   That is an interesting article about undersea cables; thanks for the link.  I will have to read the whole thing the next time I am confined to the house for days on end by a tropical storm.  Which happens.</p>
<p>In the article they were discussing the different attitudes of telephony people and computer data people, and they even mentioned the coming of the Iridium satellite system.  Ironically, this attitude problem is where the Iridium people really screwed up.  Motorola failed to recognize the significance of the Internet and made their system suitable for voice only, like a telephone system.  That was the big mistake, but they compounded it by making setting up to talk on the phone as complicated as those guns they used to assemble on The Man From UNCLE, charging a very high price for the both equipment and talk time, and then expecting the governments of Russia and China to do marketing for them.  The company gave up on Iridium and even planned to deorbit the satellites, but finally sold it all for a ridiculously low price, the equivalent of getting a Ford Excursion Mega-SUV by sending in 4 cereal boxtops and 25 cents.</p>
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