One day, an auto with 5 individuals, stop at the farm and after asking directions and receiving the gifts of water and food which are customary in your part of the country, they pull weapons and take over the farm. Afterwards, they command the family to work the farm, and when two of the children rebel they are put to death. In the meantime one manages to escape and tells everyone in
town what has happened. The police are called to the scene, and a curious exchange then takes place. The thugs respond to the police presence with the statement that they represent the family’s wishes, and present the police with a document signed by all of the members of the family still in the farm that so states. Furthermore, they will not allow the police to speak to the family
members freely, for the same reason; that is, the police would be violating the family’s right to their privacy, and their property.

Simultaneously, the thugs put the word out that they are open for business, they are willing to give very good prices in farm products. Furthermore, they have a lake in the back of the Farm which is beautiful, and they offer to go in partnership with any investor which is willing to develop the property. The thugs will contribute the labor (the family members), and will bill the partnership in dollars for their work, while paying the family members in “thugs money”, a currency they have invented which has no value outside the farm and very little inside.

Each family member is supplied with a ration card (which can be taken away from them), which lists what food and supplies they will receive. The family is made aware that they can, and will be held responsible for the behavior of each other. The small children in the meantime are taught to tell on their parents
if they say anything against the thugs.

To your surprise you see that some people that are not from your town are interested in what the thugs are selling, and start to buy produce and other farm items from them, some even invest with the thugs to develop the lake. When the development is completed, you see that tourists start visiting-the
farm. The money made in the sale of the farm products etc are used by the thugs to obtain better equipment to keep the family in check.

I know this is far fetch, but it is only so, because I am framing it in the context of a city and a farm. I am sure that in this context, there is no doubt in your mind that you are helping the tugs if you provide them with the funds they need to continue their kidnapping of the family. Well, this
is in reality what has been happening in Cuba for more than 40 years, at the level of a nation, and the world (Canada, England, Italy, Spain and other nations) have been providing the “Beast”, with the money he needs to continue oppressing the people he “claims” to represent.

You can always count on Americans to do the right thing – after they’ve tried everything else. Winston Churchill

And I concluded that same comment with the following:

“Mind you, I’m not diminishing the threat here. As an expressly political religion, Islam is another form of centralized, absolutist authority which may acquire the capacity to organize and inflict the more spectacular sorts of violence which have, thusfar, remained the sole province of the state.”

Means, intent, and all that.

That is because it is not good enough at anything to accomplish that.

Don’t mistake competency with intent or malevolence. They would if they could. They ain’t good enough at modern industrialized anything. They could not build the jet airliners and did not even make the box cutter knives.

And I agree with Fletcher relative to the end of humanity. Of course, that observation also applies to Coummunism.

Not to poke fun, because you make solid points in an eloquent fashion, but the shorter version of your last post might be reduced to (paraphrasing somebody quite famous who once said something quite true):

In the end, alternatives to free market capitalism and free societies all suck.

Thus, we should resist them at every turn.

I can’t argue with that.

Consider me properly ashamed (hangs head in disgrace for one second, two seconds . . .)

OK, enough of that. Onto more shameless profiteering and conspicuous consumption! I just can’t help myself . . .

Slightly longer argument; both social systems are undesirable. However, Communism is unstable as demonstrated by the Soviet Union – and Islamic societies are not, as evidenced by the fact that the Dar-al-Islam is still under mediaeval barbarism after 1350 years.

If you don’t stick your head above the parapet, both societies are survivable, in the short term. However, Communism at least has room for science and technology and Islam has not. And this matters, because in the long run science and technology are the only way that the human race has to survive.

To illustrate; imagine a world under the global Caliphate, suddenly threatened by one of the milder sorts of extinction event. Something like another Chicxulub or the start of another ice age, or perhaps Yellowstone letting rip. What happens then? Answer; we all die. Or at least enough of us that eventually the normal processes of evolution kill what’s left of us off; remember that we have already used up all the resources that are easy to obtain.

For Islam to win means, sooner or later, the extinction of humanity. And it will be our fault – ours, in the civilised West that didn’t believe it could lose. And we can lose, by being outnumbered if in no other way.

“Earth is the cradle of humanity; but one cannot live in the cradle forever”. Islam would have us be chained into the cradle.