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		<title>By: JFSanders</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/12/03/the-3-am-betting-pool/#comment-25266</link>
		<dc:creator>JFSanders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 00:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, what will be the &quot;Ferdinand moment&quot;? 

That is the question now. Not if we can avoid it or minimize it. Too bad. Wrapping your head around the global interactions of large and small nations is a monumental one. But it is imperative that our intelligence community is working on this night and day. As the saying goes, &quot;forewarned is forearmed&quot;. 

At this time the only primary actor making moves is Putin. He is pushing in S.America and in the middle east and also in eastern Europe. I believe that he is the trigger. It can also be said that America is making moves across the planet as well. 

I can with some certainty say that the fault line is between Pakistan and India. With the Chinese supporting Pakistan and Russia supporting India. Can America stay away from getting embroiled in a contest between those four? 

Will America get another &quot;Pearl Harbor&quot;? And if we do, does Wretchard&#039;s hypothesis play itself out? 

Jim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, what will be the &#8220;Ferdinand moment&#8221;? </p>
<p>That is the question now. Not if we can avoid it or minimize it. Too bad. Wrapping your head around the global interactions of large and small nations is a monumental one. But it is imperative that our intelligence community is working on this night and day. As the saying goes, &#8220;forewarned is forearmed&#8221;. </p>
<p>At this time the only primary actor making moves is Putin. He is pushing in S.America and in the middle east and also in eastern Europe. I believe that he is the trigger. It can also be said that America is making moves across the planet as well. </p>
<p>I can with some certainty say that the fault line is between Pakistan and India. With the Chinese supporting Pakistan and Russia supporting India. Can America stay away from getting embroiled in a contest between those four? </p>
<p>Will America get another &#8220;Pearl Harbor&#8221;? And if we do, does Wretchard&#8217;s hypothesis play itself out? </p>
<p>Jim</p>
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		<title>By: SDben5</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/12/03/the-3-am-betting-pool/#comment-25218</link>
		<dc:creator>SDben5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 03:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>3 am in Washington is ...

3 am in Washington and New York and Miami.</description>
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<p>3 am in Washington and New York and Miami.</p>
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		<title>By: Fletcher Christian</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/12/03/the-3-am-betting-pool/#comment-25203</link>
		<dc:creator>Fletcher Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 22:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not entirely unlikely that Mr. Obama will go to bed one night in the White House and &quot;wake up&quot; next morning (?) with a harp in his hands - or a pitchfork - along with a million or more other Americans. And what happens then? Maybe it will take something that drastic to cause the West, and specifically the USA, to do what has to be done, and give the million each a lordly honour guard.

Jim #29; it wil definitely be after January 20th. The enemy isn&#039;t stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not entirely unlikely that Mr. Obama will go to bed one night in the White House and &#8220;wake up&#8221; next morning (?) with a harp in his hands &#8211; or a pitchfork &#8211; along with a million or more other Americans. And what happens then? Maybe it will take something that drastic to cause the West, and specifically the USA, to do what has to be done, and give the million each a lordly honour guard.</p>
<p>Jim #29; it wil definitely be after January 20th. The enemy isn&#8217;t stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Razak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Razak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 03:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What will Obama do when the phone rings at 3am?  I agree with NahnCee but for different reasons.  In response to the call of course he’s going to counsel with his advisors.  In Obama’s leftist world most, if not all, of the conflict in the world is a direct result of America’s economic avarice and her incurable imperialism.  Obama most likely views Iran’s nuclear program as primarily defensive.  This is the standard leftist line outside the MSM.   Didn’t old Noam state that “Iran would be crazy NOT to develop nuclear weapons”?   Iran obtaining the bomb is as certain as gravity.  But I do not believe that Iran will use it against Israel directly.  I believe that Iran’s policy would be to use its nuclear weapons as a Sword of Damocles over Israel.  Iran’s goal will be to completely demoralize young Israelis.  After Iran “gets” the bomb we will witness a surge of low level terrorism against Israeli society that will be relentless in its pace.  Over time young Israelis will grow demoralized and tired of living in a garrison state and will begin to emigrate.  When enough young Israelis have left and the Israelis state is severely weaken, Israel will be finished off conventionally with the remaining Israelis slaughtered en masse.   But by that time the world couldn’t careless and will look the other way.  The Left will provide ample justifications (“pick one, any one”) to ignore the genocide. 
One other point I wish to make.  Obama not just a leftist, he’s an intelligent leftist.  It will be mistake of the epic proportions to believe that Obama is “an empty suit”.  He is the real deal. We need to know our “enemy” and not underestimate his capabilities.  Do not take solace in his initial cabinet.  He is simply using the tried and true leftist method of “Popular front” type alliances.  Obama realizes that his FIRST and MOST IMPORTANT goal is to consolidate his regime.  Forging temporary alliances with rivals and foes simply defuses opposition to the regime while it is being born.  Once he feels that his regime is firmly in control, he will replace those Department Secretaries with ones more ideologically compatible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What will Obama do when the phone rings at 3am?  I agree with NahnCee but for different reasons.  In response to the call of course he’s going to counsel with his advisors.  In Obama’s leftist world most, if not all, of the conflict in the world is a direct result of America’s economic avarice and her incurable imperialism.  Obama most likely views Iran’s nuclear program as primarily defensive.  This is the standard leftist line outside the MSM.   Didn’t old Noam state that “Iran would be crazy NOT to develop nuclear weapons”?   Iran obtaining the bomb is as certain as gravity.  But I do not believe that Iran will use it against Israel directly.  I believe that Iran’s policy would be to use its nuclear weapons as a Sword of Damocles over Israel.  Iran’s goal will be to completely demoralize young Israelis.  After Iran “gets” the bomb we will witness a surge of low level terrorism against Israeli society that will be relentless in its pace.  Over time young Israelis will grow demoralized and tired of living in a garrison state and will begin to emigrate.  When enough young Israelis have left and the Israelis state is severely weaken, Israel will be finished off conventionally with the remaining Israelis slaughtered en masse.   But by that time the world couldn’t careless and will look the other way.  The Left will provide ample justifications (“pick one, any one”) to ignore the genocide.<br />
One other point I wish to make.  Obama not just a leftist, he’s an intelligent leftist.  It will be mistake of the epic proportions to believe that Obama is “an empty suit”.  He is the real deal. We need to know our “enemy” and not underestimate his capabilities.  Do not take solace in his initial cabinet.  He is simply using the tried and true leftist method of “Popular front” type alliances.  Obama realizes that his FIRST and MOST IMPORTANT goal is to consolidate his regime.  Forging temporary alliances with rivals and foes simply defuses opposition to the regime while it is being born.  Once he feels that his regime is firmly in control, he will replace those Department Secretaries with ones more ideologically compatible.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim in Virginia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim in Virginia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 03:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more terror attack in India and Karachi gets nuked. 
How well has the ISI penetrated the Indian government and Indian (and Brit and Israeli) intelligence penetrated the ISI? 
What if the Pakistani reaction to another terror attack in Mumbai is to attempt a pre emptive strike on Indian nuke sites? 
Once things start to unravel, Wretchard&#039;s fear of a cascade is likely. The Israelis will hit the Iran nuke sites. Korea goes up, the Russians go into Ukraine, Turkey decides to clean out Kurdistan or the Kurds start a terror campign in Istanbul, Chavez invades Columbia. In chaos, everyone sees their chance and takes it.  
A joke fromthe 90&#039;s comes to mind: a Russian optimist is teaching his kids Englsh. A Russian pessimist is teaching them Chinese. A  Russian realist is teaching them to use a Kalyshnikov. 
The only question is whether the next 3 am call occurs before or after January 20.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more terror attack in India and Karachi gets nuked.<br />
How well has the ISI penetrated the Indian government and Indian (and Brit and Israeli) intelligence penetrated the ISI?<br />
What if the Pakistani reaction to another terror attack in Mumbai is to attempt a pre emptive strike on Indian nuke sites?<br />
Once things start to unravel, Wretchard&#8217;s fear of a cascade is likely. The Israelis will hit the Iran nuke sites. Korea goes up, the Russians go into Ukraine, Turkey decides to clean out Kurdistan or the Kurds start a terror campign in Istanbul, Chavez invades Columbia. In chaos, everyone sees their chance and takes it.<br />
A joke fromthe 90&#8242;s comes to mind: a Russian optimist is teaching his kids Englsh. A Russian pessimist is teaching them Chinese. A  Russian realist is teaching them to use a Kalyshnikov.<br />
The only question is whether the next 3 am call occurs before or after January 20.</p>
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		<title>By: Robohobo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robohobo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 02:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>3am call-

Nuclear rose blooms over tel Aviv. Tehran and other Arab capitals disappear in the same soon after.

Probably no later than March.</description>
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<p>Nuclear rose blooms over tel Aviv. Tehran and other Arab capitals disappear in the same soon after.</p>
<p>Probably no later than March.</p>
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		<title>By: programmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>programmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 23:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave and Agoraphoric Plumber:

Would you guys knock it off?  When you get that &quot;thousand yard&quot; stare, I keep hearing trumpets in the far distance and horses stomping in their stalls.  It&#039;s been a long time since I even thought tough thoughts, but you kind of remind me of this clip:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-cHVI_UBMs

Great movie, by the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave and Agoraphoric Plumber:</p>
<p>Would you guys knock it off?  When you get that &#8220;thousand yard&#8221; stare, I keep hearing trumpets in the far distance and horses stomping in their stalls.  It&#8217;s been a long time since I even thought tough thoughts, but you kind of remind me of this clip:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-cHVI_UBMs" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-cHVI_UBMs</a></p>
<p>Great movie, by the way.</p>
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		<title>By: NahnCee</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Be lovely when the first moonbat claims that Justice Thomas is being a racist in pursuing Obama&#039;s birth certificate.  Since Obama&#039;s base is probably as informed about the make-up of the Supreme Court as they are about everything else governmental.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be lovely when the first moonbat claims that Justice Thomas is being a racist in pursuing Obama&#8217;s birth certificate.  Since Obama&#8217;s base is probably as informed about the make-up of the Supreme Court as they are about everything else governmental.</p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sistani - yes.  I believe I read that Moqtada is the last living descendant of the al-Sadr clan, apparently a very famous, very ancient clerical family in Iraq.  Perhaps Sistani himself cannot outlaw him.  You&#039;d think we could engineer his assassination somehow, maybe by one of those nice Sunni sheik&#039;s sons - but I suppose it&#039;s to our credit, morally, that we are so bad at disinformation and assassinations generally.  Probably everyone would know immediately that it&#039;s us anyway.  Ah well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sistani &#8211; yes.  I believe I read that Moqtada is the last living descendant of the al-Sadr clan, apparently a very famous, very ancient clerical family in Iraq.  Perhaps Sistani himself cannot outlaw him.  You&#8217;d think we could engineer his assassination somehow, maybe by one of those nice Sunni sheik&#8217;s sons &#8211; but I suppose it&#8217;s to our credit, morally, that we are so bad at disinformation and assassinations generally.  Probably everyone would know immediately that it&#8217;s us anyway.  Ah well.</p>
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		<title>By: Agoraphobic Plumber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Agoraphobic Plumber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;That, my friend is NOT us. We have our quota of tough hombres. Our quota and some other folks quota as well.&quot;

I hope so.  But maybe the real trick isn&#039;t so much to have tough hombres as it is to have enough folks who are willing to TRY to be tough enough.

I don&#039;t know if I&#039;m a &quot;tough hombre&quot;, but I&#039;m really ready to try like hell, if that counts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;That, my friend is NOT us. We have our quota of tough hombres. Our quota and some other folks quota as well.&#8221;</p>
<p>I hope so.  But maybe the real trick isn&#8217;t so much to have tough hombres as it is to have enough folks who are willing to TRY to be tough enough.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if I&#8217;m a &#8220;tough hombre&#8221;, but I&#8217;m really ready to try like hell, if that counts.</p>
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