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		<title>By: Philip</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/11/30/better-than-nothing/#comment-28120</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 22:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike S. I Think its my mom you are wondering about. In some other comments. I searched the web for her name and found your post. She moved to Sweden 1985 and married my father.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike S. I Think its my mom you are wondering about. In some other comments. I searched the web for her name and found your post. She moved to Sweden 1985 and married my father.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivan</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/11/30/better-than-nothing/#comment-24696</link>
		<dc:creator>Ivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 02:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Insufficiently sensitive, I&#039;m on the same page as you. My point is that there whatever advantage accrues to the terrorists is incidental to their main goal which is to drink blood and make a splash. They were not looking for a Reichstag fire so that they could take over Pakistan. The Muslim terrorists have no discipline, no rational plan to achieve their goals except to work for chaos. Their masters lack the evil genius of a Hitler or Stalin. Hence the hodge-podge of justifications. They were able to kill so many due to luck, their demonic hatred of infidels, the lethality of modern weapons and most of all the unpreparedness of the Indians. One saw the same phenomena in Iraq, the Al-Queda types couldn&#039;t staunch their bloodlust long enough to stabilise their hold on the local Muslims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Insufficiently sensitive, I&#8217;m on the same page as you. My point is that there whatever advantage accrues to the terrorists is incidental to their main goal which is to drink blood and make a splash. They were not looking for a Reichstag fire so that they could take over Pakistan. The Muslim terrorists have no discipline, no rational plan to achieve their goals except to work for chaos. Their masters lack the evil genius of a Hitler or Stalin. Hence the hodge-podge of justifications. They were able to kill so many due to luck, their demonic hatred of infidels, the lethality of modern weapons and most of all the unpreparedness of the Indians. One saw the same phenomena in Iraq, the Al-Queda types couldn&#8217;t staunch their bloodlust long enough to stabilise their hold on the local Muslims.</p>
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		<title>By: Lifeofthemind</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/11/30/better-than-nothing/#comment-24596</link>
		<dc:creator>Lifeofthemind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@drjohn,
It should be possible to make an argument that a given result works but is still inadvisable due to other criteriea outside the boundary conditions of the original problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@drjohn,<br />
It should be possible to make an argument that a given result works but is still inadvisable due to other criteriea outside the boundary conditions of the original problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Lifeofthemind</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/11/30/better-than-nothing/#comment-24595</link>
		<dc:creator>Lifeofthemind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@drjohn,
I am not calling for a &quot;final solution&quot; but I am pointing out that you have not made the logical argument that they do not work. If you want your position to be useful or at least worth considering please explicate your core point and then explain how it would result in a different practical outcome. What do you propose that we do besides issue more CCW permits?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@drjohn,<br />
I am not calling for a &#8220;final solution&#8221; but I am pointing out that you have not made the logical argument that they do not work. If you want your position to be useful or at least worth considering please explicate your core point and then explain how it would result in a different practical outcome. What do you propose that we do besides issue more CCW permits?</p>
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		<title>By: drjohn</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/11/30/better-than-nothing/#comment-24592</link>
		<dc:creator>drjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wash my hands often. And I carry a pistol wherever possible. Same principle applied to different cases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wash my hands often. And I carry a pistol wherever possible. Same principle applied to different cases.</p>
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		<title>By: drjohn</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/11/30/better-than-nothing/#comment-24588</link>
		<dc:creator>drjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Try this metaphor, folks. Islamic violence, all violence, is like a virus, say rinovirus. Final solutions, such as Pauling&#039;s recommendation of massive doses of Vitamin C, do not work. Neither will nuking Pakistan. Final solutions are too costly and do not work. You just can&#039;t get rid of all the (fill in the blank). You can protect yourself to the degree that you reduce the severity or incident of distress. Don&#039;t lick the handles of carts at Walmart; you will get fewer head colds. Do wash your hands more often, and so forth.

Violence is inherent in human beings; Islam encourages the worst in some (most?) people, as did National Socialism, but worse. The enormous increase in wealth in this world allows the technological enabling of those infected by the virus of violence, for whatever reason, to act out. 

For example, the American Indians would certainly have wiping out all the buffalo if they could have, or killed all with different nose shapes, languages, however &#039;others&#039; were defined. They, however, being neolithic savages, lacked the wealth and ensuing technology to fulfill their bloody fantasies. 

Most Americans have no idea how out of the main stream your notions of diversity, equality, and tolerance are. Hutus kill Tuzis; Shona kill Metabele. And everybody dislikes Baravarians. No excuse is required.  Genocide is the norm. The U.S. an aberration, maybe a miracle.

Islam now has wealth to buy the technology they could never devise themselves, and they will, repeat will, use that technology to kill all &#039;others.&#039; 

We must live with that fact. No Final Solution exists. Extend the virus metaphor to methods of containing, coexisting with Islam. 

The demand for paradise on earth leads to horror, the peace of the graveyard. Evil, like any virus, must be contained and restrained, of course; but accept the fact that it is part of the human  condition and do not be seduced by final solutions. Again, they are expensive and, most importantly, they don&#039;t work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try this metaphor, folks. Islamic violence, all violence, is like a virus, say rinovirus. Final solutions, such as Pauling&#8217;s recommendation of massive doses of Vitamin C, do not work. Neither will nuking Pakistan. Final solutions are too costly and do not work. You just can&#8217;t get rid of all the (fill in the blank). You can protect yourself to the degree that you reduce the severity or incident of distress. Don&#8217;t lick the handles of carts at Walmart; you will get fewer head colds. Do wash your hands more often, and so forth.</p>
<p>Violence is inherent in human beings; Islam encourages the worst in some (most?) people, as did National Socialism, but worse. The enormous increase in wealth in this world allows the technological enabling of those infected by the virus of violence, for whatever reason, to act out. </p>
<p>For example, the American Indians would certainly have wiping out all the buffalo if they could have, or killed all with different nose shapes, languages, however &#8216;others&#8217; were defined. They, however, being neolithic savages, lacked the wealth and ensuing technology to fulfill their bloody fantasies. </p>
<p>Most Americans have no idea how out of the main stream your notions of diversity, equality, and tolerance are. Hutus kill Tuzis; Shona kill Metabele. And everybody dislikes Baravarians. No excuse is required.  Genocide is the norm. The U.S. an aberration, maybe a miracle.</p>
<p>Islam now has wealth to buy the technology they could never devise themselves, and they will, repeat will, use that technology to kill all &#8216;others.&#8217; </p>
<p>We must live with that fact. No Final Solution exists. Extend the virus metaphor to methods of containing, coexisting with Islam. </p>
<p>The demand for paradise on earth leads to horror, the peace of the graveyard. Evil, like any virus, must be contained and restrained, of course; but accept the fact that it is part of the human  condition and do not be seduced by final solutions. Again, they are expensive and, most importantly, they don&#8217;t work.</p>
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		<title>By: Wadeusaf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wadeusaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The current president of Pakistan is Baluchi. China has finished phase two of an ambitious three part deep water port in Baluchistan.

It is not a mater of loping off a part of Pak, but it may be a matter of survival for Pak, if the choice becomes radical surgery or die.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The current president of Pakistan is Baluchi. China has finished phase two of an ambitious three part deep water port in Baluchistan.</p>
<p>It is not a mater of loping off a part of Pak, but it may be a matter of survival for Pak, if the choice becomes radical surgery or die.</p>
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		<title>By: exhelodrvr</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/11/30/better-than-nothing/#comment-24581</link>
		<dc:creator>exhelodrvr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fletcher,
&quot;One way to make a safe corridor would be to render a swathe of Pakistan about 50 miles wide, leading from the coast all the way to Afghanistan, uninhabitable by anyone not wearing a MOPP suit&quot;

Then you can&#039;t bring in supplies over that route.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fletcher,<br />
&#8220;One way to make a safe corridor would be to render a swathe of Pakistan about 50 miles wide, leading from the coast all the way to Afghanistan, uninhabitable by anyone not wearing a MOPP suit&#8221;</p>
<p>Then you can&#8217;t bring in supplies over that route.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ruby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WadeUSAF: &lt;b&gt;Ruby: Pakistan is the result of a two state solution.&lt;/b&gt;

So was Jordan after Partition in 1948.  Its never good enough.  Now the Bush Administration wants the Palestinians to have another state within the quarter of the British Mandate land that was assigned to the Jews.  And after that happens, the Arab citizens inside Israel will clamor for a &quot;two state solution&quot; and shave off another piece with the blessing of the US.  Now apply this procedure to India.  Lather, rinse, repeat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WadeUSAF: <b>Ruby: Pakistan is the result of a two state solution.</b></p>
<p>So was Jordan after Partition in 1948.  Its never good enough.  Now the Bush Administration wants the Palestinians to have another state within the quarter of the British Mandate land that was assigned to the Jews.  And after that happens, the Arab citizens inside Israel will clamor for a &#8220;two state solution&#8221; and shave off another piece with the blessing of the US.  Now apply this procedure to India.  Lather, rinse, repeat.</p>
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		<title>By: Insufficiently Sensitive</title>
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		<dc:creator>Insufficiently Sensitive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 13:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The jihadis don’t have any master plan except one: kill as many infidels as they can. Any advantage they obtain is incidental. &lt;/i&gt;

No master plan???  Bollocks.  Killing infidels is a tactic, worth sacrificing ten jihadis - and the random shooting into crowds cares nothing if some of the faithful are blown away too.  The very real advantage they obtain is wholly strategic: the imposition of terror on entire populations, including their elites, who become one degree more paralyzed at each event.  Anyone remember how many of America&#039;s heroic First Amendment-defending media organs reproduced the images of the Mohammed cartoons?  Lest we forget, about two.  Terrorism works.

The drip-drip-drip of MSM stories coverning such events - oh, with such dramatic photos of distressed survivors weeping in each others&#039; arms, clouds of smoke, and one-sentence clip-quotes from grim helpless leaders and bystanders (and such terrorists as can be quoted) - is part of the process, too.

The Seattle Times is a splendid example of the raw material used by for inspiration by the intrepid makers of the video we see at the top of this article.  If you&#039;re interested in how the Mumbai operation developed tactically, the Times of very low value compared to Internet sources such as the Belmont Club.  Dramatic content, sure.  Random &#039;eyewitness&#039; quotes, half of an entire page, like blind men groping an elephant.  The hysterical editors tell us that &lt;i&gt;as many as 16 groups hit at least 10 sites&lt;/i&gt;, although their news page had figured out that the lads numbered but 10.  Neither editorials nor news pages make a peep about the torture of hostages, Jewish nor gentile.  But they make the ritual knowitall attack on the Indians, for failure to anticipate the attack.  And they assure us that &lt;i&gt;contrary to earlier reports, it appeared that Westerners were not the gunman&#039;s main targets&lt;/i&gt;, carefully excising news of the search by said gunmen for specifically American or British passports among their captives.

No wonder that video hits home - caricature or not, it contains enough perspective on MSM motives to shame the purveyors of news to the masses, if they&#039;re capable of shame.

Certainly the overdramatized and underinformative news media do their bit to spread and advertise the terror and its perpetrators.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The jihadis don’t have any master plan except one: kill as many infidels as they can. Any advantage they obtain is incidental. </i></p>
<p>No master plan???  Bollocks.  Killing infidels is a tactic, worth sacrificing ten jihadis &#8211; and the random shooting into crowds cares nothing if some of the faithful are blown away too.  The very real advantage they obtain is wholly strategic: the imposition of terror on entire populations, including their elites, who become one degree more paralyzed at each event.  Anyone remember how many of America&#8217;s heroic First Amendment-defending media organs reproduced the images of the Mohammed cartoons?  Lest we forget, about two.  Terrorism works.</p>
<p>The drip-drip-drip of MSM stories coverning such events &#8211; oh, with such dramatic photos of distressed survivors weeping in each others&#8217; arms, clouds of smoke, and one-sentence clip-quotes from grim helpless leaders and bystanders (and such terrorists as can be quoted) &#8211; is part of the process, too.</p>
<p>The Seattle Times is a splendid example of the raw material used by for inspiration by the intrepid makers of the video we see at the top of this article.  If you&#8217;re interested in how the Mumbai operation developed tactically, the Times of very low value compared to Internet sources such as the Belmont Club.  Dramatic content, sure.  Random &#8216;eyewitness&#8217; quotes, half of an entire page, like blind men groping an elephant.  The hysterical editors tell us that <i>as many as 16 groups hit at least 10 sites</i>, although their news page had figured out that the lads numbered but 10.  Neither editorials nor news pages make a peep about the torture of hostages, Jewish nor gentile.  But they make the ritual knowitall attack on the Indians, for failure to anticipate the attack.  And they assure us that <i>contrary to earlier reports, it appeared that Westerners were not the gunman&#8217;s main targets</i>, carefully excising news of the search by said gunmen for specifically American or British passports among their captives.</p>
<p>No wonder that video hits home &#8211; caricature or not, it contains enough perspective on MSM motives to shame the purveyors of news to the masses, if they&#8217;re capable of shame.</p>
<p>Certainly the overdramatized and underinformative news media do their bit to spread and advertise the terror and its perpetrators.</p>
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