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		<title>By: Lifeofthemind</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/11/21/inhuman-terrain/#comment-23510</link>
		<dc:creator>Lifeofthemind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@RAH,
General Sir Charles James Napier, about 1849 -
&lt;em&gt;&quot;You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@RAH,<br />
General Sir Charles James Napier, about 1849 -<br />
<em>&#8220;You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours.&#8221;</em></p>
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		<title>By: RAH</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/11/21/inhuman-terrain/#comment-23400</link>
		<dc:creator>RAH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was a British  General that said that when an Indian burned a woman alive that he would allow the man his cultural activities and then he would act on his own cultural imperiatives and killed the Indian man.

So the Afghan acted on his culturl imperative and then Ayala acted on American imperiatives which is to punish and kill a a man who would burn a woman alive for no good reason.

I personally would not judge Ayala of murder it was justified homicide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a British  General that said that when an Indian burned a woman alive that he would allow the man his cultural activities and then he would act on his own cultural imperiatives and killed the Indian man.</p>
<p>So the Afghan acted on his culturl imperative and then Ayala acted on American imperiatives which is to punish and kill a a man who would burn a woman alive for no good reason.</p>
<p>I personally would not judge Ayala of murder it was justified homicide.</p>
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		<title>By: Nortius Maximus</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/11/21/inhuman-terrain/#comment-23214</link>
		<dc:creator>Nortius Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 08:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#19: &quot;I’m still trying to make up my mind whether I should hate or love the expression human terrain.&quot;

The vivid mental image that I get when I hear that expression is the future war cutscenes from the first two Terminator movies, with the Skynet ground mech caterpillar treads crushing dry H. sap skulls and such...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#19: &#8220;I’m still trying to make up my mind whether I should hate or love the expression human terrain.&#8221;</p>
<p>The vivid mental image that I get when I hear that expression is the future war cutscenes from the first two Terminator movies, with the Skynet ground mech caterpillar treads crushing dry H. sap skulls and such&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: cjm</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/11/21/inhuman-terrain/#comment-23196</link>
		<dc:creator>cjm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 05:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;eye for an eye&quot; was an improvement over &quot;life for an eye&quot;.  it was actually a moderating principle compared to traditional vendettas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;eye for an eye&#8221; was an improvement over &#8220;life for an eye&#8221;.  it was actually a moderating principle compared to traditional vendettas.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim san</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/11/21/inhuman-terrain/#comment-23195</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 05:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of the comments seem to assume that their are &quot;social scientists&quot; in the Human Terrain Teams (HTT) and that these teams are actually doing good and useful work.  Both assumptions are false.  I have seen many HTT&#039;s and they are staffed more with ex SF types than academics.  Paula Lloyd was an exception and she was not a social scientist either - she came from US AID but at least had significant time in the Kandahar Province before going over to the HTT&#039;s.  The HTT&#039;s are on the FOBs and subjected to Big Army force protection rules so the only way they go off base is embedded inside huge military forces with no ability to interact with the local population.  I have walked in on screaming matches between staff officers and the HTT concerning what, exactly, is it that they are supposed to be doing and for whom they are supposed to work.  The HTT position is always &quot;we can&#039;t tell you anything because we can&#039;t get off the base to find anything out ourselves and can&#039;t get on the websites we need to see because they are blocked by the G6 and therefore could be doing a better job for you in CONUS where at least the Jihadist websites are accessible.&quot;  And for every guy in the HTT program the US taxpayer is shelling out 1/2 a million per year to companies like the design/build firm PAE.  Good work if you can get it - surf the computer (DoD approved sites only,) work out at the gym, brush off a major or captain now and then who is asking for crap you don&#039;t have - that is good living for some.   

This program is a giant boondoggle for the guys being paid at the very top rung of the contractor ladder on one hand and the big firms like PAE who have absolutely no experience in anything remotely associated with the HTT program on the other.  The HTT&#039;s could be a valuable tool if they lived outside the wire and started developing their own networks like ... say the ANSO Eastern Region Coordinator, a former London banker who got bored, came on with ANSO, and now knows more about the eastern region, Pakistan tribal areas, and the Taliban than any HTT member anywhere in the world.  Mind you he started as a banker who had nothing more going for him than native curiosity and the ability to organize data and write well.  Now he is a one man HTT with embedded language ability and he is making 25% of an HTT member and living on maybe 0.5% of the life support costs being spent on HTT types.  That is serious money by the way - we spend crazy money in life support which does not go into the local economy, is unnecessary, and much too lavish in the opinion of this former Marine.  I don&#039;t think it imperative for the fobbits to have 7 different flavors of Baskin and Robbins and I don&#039;t care how long their tours are.  A cursory glance tells me most of them don&#039;t need the extra calories anyway.

The one thing the ANSO rep has in common with all the others who understand Afghanistan is that he has been here months on end year in and year out.  This is not rocket science and it doesn&#039;t take &quot;academics&quot; it takes people willing to spend the requisite time in country to learn the human terrain.  Books don&#039;t do it, multimillion dollar contracts don&#039;t do it, large design and build firms like PAE cannot do it and I ask once again when will we see common sense prevail in our approach to Afghanistan?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of the comments seem to assume that their are &#8220;social scientists&#8221; in the Human Terrain Teams (HTT) and that these teams are actually doing good and useful work.  Both assumptions are false.  I have seen many HTT&#8217;s and they are staffed more with ex SF types than academics.  Paula Lloyd was an exception and she was not a social scientist either &#8211; she came from US AID but at least had significant time in the Kandahar Province before going over to the HTT&#8217;s.  The HTT&#8217;s are on the FOBs and subjected to Big Army force protection rules so the only way they go off base is embedded inside huge military forces with no ability to interact with the local population.  I have walked in on screaming matches between staff officers and the HTT concerning what, exactly, is it that they are supposed to be doing and for whom they are supposed to work.  The HTT position is always &#8220;we can&#8217;t tell you anything because we can&#8217;t get off the base to find anything out ourselves and can&#8217;t get on the websites we need to see because they are blocked by the G6 and therefore could be doing a better job for you in CONUS where at least the Jihadist websites are accessible.&#8221;  And for every guy in the HTT program the US taxpayer is shelling out 1/2 a million per year to companies like the design/build firm PAE.  Good work if you can get it &#8211; surf the computer (DoD approved sites only,) work out at the gym, brush off a major or captain now and then who is asking for crap you don&#8217;t have &#8211; that is good living for some.   </p>
<p>This program is a giant boondoggle for the guys being paid at the very top rung of the contractor ladder on one hand and the big firms like PAE who have absolutely no experience in anything remotely associated with the HTT program on the other.  The HTT&#8217;s could be a valuable tool if they lived outside the wire and started developing their own networks like &#8230; say the ANSO Eastern Region Coordinator, a former London banker who got bored, came on with ANSO, and now knows more about the eastern region, Pakistan tribal areas, and the Taliban than any HTT member anywhere in the world.  Mind you he started as a banker who had nothing more going for him than native curiosity and the ability to organize data and write well.  Now he is a one man HTT with embedded language ability and he is making 25% of an HTT member and living on maybe 0.5% of the life support costs being spent on HTT types.  That is serious money by the way &#8211; we spend crazy money in life support which does not go into the local economy, is unnecessary, and much too lavish in the opinion of this former Marine.  I don&#8217;t think it imperative for the fobbits to have 7 different flavors of Baskin and Robbins and I don&#8217;t care how long their tours are.  A cursory glance tells me most of them don&#8217;t need the extra calories anyway.</p>
<p>The one thing the ANSO rep has in common with all the others who understand Afghanistan is that he has been here months on end year in and year out.  This is not rocket science and it doesn&#8217;t take &#8220;academics&#8221; it takes people willing to spend the requisite time in country to learn the human terrain.  Books don&#8217;t do it, multimillion dollar contracts don&#8217;t do it, large design and build firms like PAE cannot do it and I ask once again when will we see common sense prevail in our approach to Afghanistan?</p>
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		<title>By: 3Case</title>
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		<dc:creator>3Case</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 04:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;“An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind?”&lt;/i&gt;

As best I can figure, an eye for an eye leaves the World one-eyed, which, I would think, would leave it much more cognizant of the need to avoid commission of eye-destructing activities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>“An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind?”</i></p>
<p>As best I can figure, an eye for an eye leaves the World one-eyed, which, I would think, would leave it much more cognizant of the need to avoid commission of eye-destructing activities.</p>
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		<title>By: Sleeper</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/11/21/inhuman-terrain/#comment-23190</link>
		<dc:creator>Sleeper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 04:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s this very good article from 2006 about Human Terrain System, based on interviews with David Kilcullen and an anthropologist and Pentagon consultant named Montgomery McFate. It caught my attention that both of them are children of left-wing parents.
http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2006/12/18/061218fa_fact2</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s this very good article from 2006 about Human Terrain System, based on interviews with David Kilcullen and an anthropologist and Pentagon consultant named Montgomery McFate. It caught my attention that both of them are children of left-wing parents.<br />
<a href="http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2006/12/18/061218fa_fact2" rel="nofollow">http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2006/12/18/061218fa_fact2</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike Sylwester</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Sylwester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 14:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still trying to make up my mind whether I should hate or love the expression &lt;i&gt;human terrain&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still trying to make up my mind whether I should hate or love the expression <i>human terrain</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: RWE</title>
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		<dc:creator>RWE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cannoneer:  But that approach would mean that we would have to plan to be there for 100 YEARS!  We would have to focus on winning that war and overall strategy in the larger conflict rather than getting out!  WhatsaMatterYou?

Nortius:  Back a few days before the start of Operation Iraqi Freedom, troops at a guard post at border crossing between Iraq proper and the Kurdish sector saw the following:  A Kurdish woman carried a container of gasoline to the Iraqi sector to sell it in order to buy food for her children.  An Iraqi soldier took the container, dumped it over her, and set her on fire.

I am afraid that if I had been the officer at that guard post OIF would have started right then and there.  I would have shot the SOB who burned the woman and then led all available troops to overrun the Iraqi post and not stopped chasing the bastards until we were in e’ffing downtown Baghdad. 

And I am, admittedly, what you would call a REMF.  If you consider flight lines and launch pads The Rear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cannoneer:  But that approach would mean that we would have to plan to be there for 100 YEARS!  We would have to focus on winning that war and overall strategy in the larger conflict rather than getting out!  WhatsaMatterYou?</p>
<p>Nortius:  Back a few days before the start of Operation Iraqi Freedom, troops at a guard post at border crossing between Iraq proper and the Kurdish sector saw the following:  A Kurdish woman carried a container of gasoline to the Iraqi sector to sell it in order to buy food for her children.  An Iraqi soldier took the container, dumped it over her, and set her on fire.</p>
<p>I am afraid that if I had been the officer at that guard post OIF would have started right then and there.  I would have shot the SOB who burned the woman and then led all available troops to overrun the Iraqi post and not stopped chasing the bastards until we were in e’ffing downtown Baghdad. </p>
<p>And I am, admittedly, what you would call a REMF.  If you consider flight lines and launch pads The Rear.</p>
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		<title>By: Nortius Maximus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nortius Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 07:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too bad Ayala didn&#039;t have another gallon of gas handy (...I can&#039;t be the only person thinking that).

Sorry, I do try. But this one trips too many of my &quot;civilization&quot; circuit breakers. 

This Abdul character didn&#039;t like being quizzed by an uppity woman, and his response was to set her on fire? Not acceptable. Full stop.

&quot;An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind?&quot;

How about &quot;Don&#039;t START nothin&#039;, won&#039;t BE nothin&#039;.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too bad Ayala didn&#8217;t have another gallon of gas handy (&#8230;I can&#8217;t be the only person thinking that).</p>
<p>Sorry, I do try. But this one trips too many of my &#8220;civilization&#8221; circuit breakers. </p>
<p>This Abdul character didn&#8217;t like being quizzed by an uppity woman, and his response was to set her on fire? Not acceptable. Full stop.</p>
<p>&#8220;An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind?&#8221;</p>
<p>How about &#8220;Don&#8217;t START nothin&#8217;, won&#8217;t BE nothin&#8217;.&#8221;</p>
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