“Some reports call the fire extinguishing agent “Freon” but the actual agent SHOULD be (super-expensive)”Halon” which suppresses fire while allowing people to breathe (a bit).”

Halon is a “clean” agent, however when it comes in contact with flames or surfaces abov 300C it breaks down into halon acids and free agents, which are highly toxic to humans.

Halon is also an ozone depleting gas, and is being phased out, with other more dangerous fire suppressants being used. These suppressants generate Hydrogen Flouride at dangerous levels.

The fact that literally all ships would be lost in WW III was a forgone conclusion by Soviet naval experts, and an acceptable price for the destruction of the US Fleet.

US Carrier battlegroups were even targeted by SS-18 ICBMs, which might explain some of the performance of the Aegis air defense weapon systems.

Hmmm… honorable mention to the Brits. They have a fine, if tiny Navy. I’d serve on a Brit platform with pride and confidence any day of the week, based upon their competence at the individual and command level. (Have cross-decked with them once, so this is experience not conjecture speaking.)

I don’t know who or what this guy is (even after reading his many posts), but his ignorance of the history of WWII leaves one in awe.

The Russian’s had so impoverished the country through successive “reforms” between 1917 and the late 1930s, that she could scarcely feed herself, let alone field modern military equipment. Russia may have endured and keep Germany at bay until Hitler or his people gave up on dominating Russia, but Russia could have taken NO GERMAN TERRITORY without American arms and financial support. American installed entire factories in Russian to produce war material.

CF- Laughable communist propaganda.

As far as the Russian Navy, it’s a barely passable 1st world military machine with a 3rd world level command and control. The USN has never been just about the technology. It’s the individual US sailor who tops any other in any fleet. Our sailors are better trained as well as better equiped. And as far as comparison between the US Navy submarine fleet and the Russian, not even Russians will make that comparison amongst themselves. The US Navy submarine fleet is the class of the world, and while Russians make some terrific technology, and their sailors are patriotic and loyal as any others, they fail at competence and in execution. I guarantee you that when the sh*t hits the fan, any Russian sailor would rather be on the crew of an American sub than a Russian sub.

The manufacture, worldwide, of all the ozone-depleting halogens including Halon and Freon was virtually halted several years ago by international treaty. Interestingly, the Halon extinguishing agent has over ten times the ozone-depleting effect of the commercial refrigerants. Its market value continues to rise as the worldwide supply of Halon diminishes despite recycling.

_Systemantics_, the closer to the original edition the better.