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		<title>By: Ms. Know</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/11/06/political-intelligence-gathering/#comment-22185</link>
		<dc:creator>Ms. Know</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t want a leader to get tips from other countries, particulary ones that don&#039;t like us.  So if the left-wing illuminati took their advice, we&#039;re screwed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t want a leader to get tips from other countries, particulary ones that don&#8217;t like us.  So if the left-wing illuminati took their advice, we&#8217;re screwed.</p>
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		<title>By: Steynian 281 &#171; Free Canuckistan!</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/11/06/political-intelligence-gathering/#comment-21037</link>
		<dc:creator>Steynian 281 &#171; Free Canuckistan!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 22:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] COMPUTERWORLD, sourcing its story primarily from Newsweek, reports that the campaign computer systems of both [...]</description>
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		<title>By: bigR</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/11/06/political-intelligence-gathering/#comment-21026</link>
		<dc:creator>bigR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 21:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A rogue bank can auto-generate a huge random set of one time fake credit card accounts with a huge base of US addresses.  Then go to a candidates send in money site and dump a huge amount of donations.  Can be easily done with a simple script to input the one time only accounts. Candidate gets the multiple small denomination wire transfer in say 2 days and he is $200 million richer.  Candidate says thanks. Then all one time accounts are wiped clean as they are per-paid.
Happens all the time in IRS refunds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A rogue bank can auto-generate a huge random set of one time fake credit card accounts with a huge base of US addresses.  Then go to a candidates send in money site and dump a huge amount of donations.  Can be easily done with a simple script to input the one time only accounts. Candidate gets the multiple small denomination wire transfer in say 2 days and he is $200 million richer.  Candidate says thanks. Then all one time accounts are wiped clean as they are per-paid.<br />
Happens all the time in IRS refunds.</p>
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		<title>By: bvw</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/11/06/political-intelligence-gathering/#comment-20901</link>
		<dc:creator>bvw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Old Salt to say that &quot;&lt;i&gt;The nature of intelligence gathering is to behave like a vacuum, gathering in mass rather than discreetly.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;  is a way of combining a general truth, with a specific bid for action.  The general truth is that the nature of a person&#039;s, and organization, and a culture&#039;s intelligence is to behave like a vacuum, gathering in mass.   The specific bid for action is, by inference in context of the discussion, that such is the way a state&#039;s spying should be done.

I strongly disagree.  Very strongly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Old Salt to say that &#8220;<i>The nature of intelligence gathering is to behave like a vacuum, gathering in mass rather than discreetly.</i>&#8221;  is a way of combining a general truth, with a specific bid for action.  The general truth is that the nature of a person&#8217;s, and organization, and a culture&#8217;s intelligence is to behave like a vacuum, gathering in mass.   The specific bid for action is, by inference in context of the discussion, that such is the way a state&#8217;s spying should be done.</p>
<p>I strongly disagree.  Very strongly.</p>
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		<title>By: OldSalt</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/11/06/political-intelligence-gathering/#comment-20869</link>
		<dc:creator>OldSalt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 07:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;The campaign database would be important because it can provide a “human map” of access to Obama, a database of social networking within the White House circle. The Russians or the Chinese will be looking for access to intel, influence, etc...&quot; @Wretchard&lt;/i&gt;

Bingo.  The nature of intelligence gathering is to behave like a vacuum, gathering in mass rather than discreetly.  The goal is to present as comprehensive and accurate a picture of the target as possible (whatever that may happen to be at any given time).  The only limitation is in the ability to process, store, analyze, and comprehend the pieces to construct a whole.  The answer to who did it and what were they after is &quot;a large, sophisticated intelligence net&quot;, and &quot;everything and anything&quot;.   One email between two principles established a relationship.  Every single email from Obama or one of his aids tells a lot even if only the header (i.e. from, to, date/time, and IP address) was available.  It&#039;s the same goal that NSA has, and why signal gathering and analysis on a volume scale is so successful.  1000 intrusions to small, inconsequential databases and data stores of federal, state, and local entities can be as valuable and the one big hit at Los Alamos, or other secure installations, given that the resources and IT apps and infrastructure is available to process the data.

From a Counter Intel perspective, the invasion tells a lot about the invader, maybe more than the invader might learn from the specific intrusion.  It means that the source has vast resources invested in ELINT, HAS the resources to process and make sense of that volume of data, and has the will to penetrate official US systems &quot;dirty&quot;, leaving footprints all over the furniture on the way out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;The campaign database would be important because it can provide a “human map” of access to Obama, a database of social networking within the White House circle. The Russians or the Chinese will be looking for access to intel, influence, etc&#8230;&#8221; @Wretchard</i></p>
<p>Bingo.  The nature of intelligence gathering is to behave like a vacuum, gathering in mass rather than discreetly.  The goal is to present as comprehensive and accurate a picture of the target as possible (whatever that may happen to be at any given time).  The only limitation is in the ability to process, store, analyze, and comprehend the pieces to construct a whole.  The answer to who did it and what were they after is &#8220;a large, sophisticated intelligence net&#8221;, and &#8220;everything and anything&#8221;.   One email between two principles established a relationship.  Every single email from Obama or one of his aids tells a lot even if only the header (i.e. from, to, date/time, and IP address) was available.  It&#8217;s the same goal that NSA has, and why signal gathering and analysis on a volume scale is so successful.  1000 intrusions to small, inconsequential databases and data stores of federal, state, and local entities can be as valuable and the one big hit at Los Alamos, or other secure installations, given that the resources and IT apps and infrastructure is available to process the data.</p>
<p>From a Counter Intel perspective, the invasion tells a lot about the invader, maybe more than the invader might learn from the specific intrusion.  It means that the source has vast resources invested in ELINT, HAS the resources to process and make sense of that volume of data, and has the will to penetrate official US systems &#8220;dirty&#8221;, leaving footprints all over the furniture on the way out.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus Aurelius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcus Aurelius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 06:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Errr, &quot;actually, not my given name&quot;. Must remember not to comment on blogs after three-four cans of LaCrosse Lager.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Errr, &#8220;actually, not my given name&#8221;. Must remember not to comment on blogs after three-four cans of LaCrosse Lager.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus Aurelius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcus Aurelius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 05:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GOTV operations I have been a part of consist of calling people and briefly surveying the views on key and issues where the parties differ. If the answers Voter X gives you mesh with your party into the voter database they go.

People like me then take a list of identified friendly (however, even though their answers say they agree some are too stupid to know they are supposed to vote for our party) voters and sit next to the poll workers. When voters on my list come to vote I cross them off of the list and at about 4:00-5:00 I take that list to a phone bank and those people not crossed off the list get a reminder to vote call. People in the know claim a good GOTV operation means a 5% difference (working on recall here) in results.

I am not there to corrupt the system, harass or challenge voter validity, I am there to make sure friendly voters vote.

I am still not convinced the GOTV database (i.e. Houdini, fyi, Houdini was born in the town near my residence which for the first time in 91 years is going to be represented by a dem) is of much worth to foreign enemies, most of those people are schmoes who picked up the phone at 1:38 pm on a Sunday afternoon and answered three-four questions. However, your supposition, about human network mapping Wretchard, would apply much more to contributor databases and especially VOLUNTEER databases.

As you all can probably tell &quot;Marcus Aurelius&quot; (actually my given name) is in a couple campaign volunteer databases, and as a little treat one spring I was allowed to drive (very very cool) in a Presidential Motorcade when President Bush visited our city sometime ago, I suppose national enemies might be able to use that data to compromise motorcade security.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GOTV operations I have been a part of consist of calling people and briefly surveying the views on key and issues where the parties differ. If the answers Voter X gives you mesh with your party into the voter database they go.</p>
<p>People like me then take a list of identified friendly (however, even though their answers say they agree some are too stupid to know they are supposed to vote for our party) voters and sit next to the poll workers. When voters on my list come to vote I cross them off of the list and at about 4:00-5:00 I take that list to a phone bank and those people not crossed off the list get a reminder to vote call. People in the know claim a good GOTV operation means a 5% difference (working on recall here) in results.</p>
<p>I am not there to corrupt the system, harass or challenge voter validity, I am there to make sure friendly voters vote.</p>
<p>I am still not convinced the GOTV database (i.e. Houdini, fyi, Houdini was born in the town near my residence which for the first time in 91 years is going to be represented by a dem) is of much worth to foreign enemies, most of those people are schmoes who picked up the phone at 1:38 pm on a Sunday afternoon and answered three-four questions. However, your supposition, about human network mapping Wretchard, would apply much more to contributor databases and especially VOLUNTEER databases.</p>
<p>As you all can probably tell &#8220;Marcus Aurelius&#8221; (actually my given name) is in a couple campaign volunteer databases, and as a little treat one spring I was allowed to drive (very very cool) in a Presidential Motorcade when President Bush visited our city sometime ago, I suppose national enemies might be able to use that data to compromise motorcade security.</p>
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		<title>By: Semi Cartman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Semi Cartman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 04:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, this &#039;Houdini&#039; nonsense is &lt;i&gt;very&lt;/i&gt; disturbing. I was an election judge at a precinct across the township from my home since 1998. The last primary was the end of the line for me. The polling place was staffed with democrat pollwatchers all day, viewing names on ballot applications and using blackberries, laptops, and cellphones to reference them and communicate outside. All &#039;legal&#039;. The weird thing was all the voters coming in who I&#039;d never seen before. Whole families. Quite a few were grumbling. &quot;I better just get it over with or they won&#039;t leave me alone&quot;. All were registered in the precinct. Kept up all day, with the most complaints in the afternoon-evening. It was strange that when the votes were tallied after closing, the Obamas outnumbered all others put together. In a Republican precinct, in a &#039;safe&#039; congressional district(now dem,since then) Too weird for me. I want nothing to do with that stuff, especially as an unwitting tool.
 But, so that&#039;s how they do it eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, this &#8216;Houdini&#8217; nonsense is <i>very</i> disturbing. I was an election judge at a precinct across the township from my home since 1998. The last primary was the end of the line for me. The polling place was staffed with democrat pollwatchers all day, viewing names on ballot applications and using blackberries, laptops, and cellphones to reference them and communicate outside. All &#8216;legal&#8217;. The weird thing was all the voters coming in who I&#8217;d never seen before. Whole families. Quite a few were grumbling. &#8220;I better just get it over with or they won&#8217;t leave me alone&#8221;. All were registered in the precinct. Kept up all day, with the most complaints in the afternoon-evening. It was strange that when the votes were tallied after closing, the Obamas outnumbered all others put together. In a Republican precinct, in a &#8216;safe&#8217; congressional district(now dem,since then) Too weird for me. I want nothing to do with that stuff, especially as an unwitting tool.<br />
 But, so that&#8217;s how they do it eh?</p>
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		<title>By: Semi Cartman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Semi Cartman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 03:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The simplest explanation is that it was the Chinese or the Russians. Both have very large and well known cyberwarfare arms, including posting brigades...&lt;/i&gt;
The simplest explanation to be sure, also the most benign, since it would imply routine snoopery, a quick way to collect information that could, with some effort, be assembled via other avenues. I&#039;m not even an amateur, so my analyses of stories like this will tend to the Columboesque, but if I were Obama or his delegate, and I was involved (let&#039;s say)in record breaking malfeasance, what information loss would I be more afraid of? Social information, which I could fix, or financial, which is just cold hard records, impossible for me to call back. The premise &#039;Obama-afraid&#039; isn&#039;t even in the story. oh well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The simplest explanation is that it was the Chinese or the Russians. Both have very large and well known cyberwarfare arms, including posting brigades&#8230;</i><br />
The simplest explanation to be sure, also the most benign, since it would imply routine snoopery, a quick way to collect information that could, with some effort, be assembled via other avenues. I&#8217;m not even an amateur, so my analyses of stories like this will tend to the Columboesque, but if I were Obama or his delegate, and I was involved (let&#8217;s say)in record breaking malfeasance, what information loss would I be more afraid of? Social information, which I could fix, or financial, which is just cold hard records, impossible for me to call back. The premise &#8216;Obama-afraid&#8217; isn&#8217;t even in the story. oh well.</p>
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		<title>By: wretchard</title>
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		<dc:creator>wretchard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 03:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;What if the hacking was simply an investigation of a suspected criminal enterprise. What if the enterprise were the obama campaign, and the investigating agency was the FBI? &lt;/i&gt;

The simplest explanation is that it was the Chinese or the Russians. Both have very large and well known cyberwarfare arms, including posting brigades. You will recall the large number of &quot;posters&quot; on this site during the Georgian War, and the large number of &quot;Obama&quot; respondents when I ran an informal poll during a debate.

The campaign database would be important because it can provide a &quot;human map&quot; of access to Obama, a database of social networking within the White House circle. The Russians or the Chinese will be looking for access to intel, influence, etc. They will work on who knows who guided by the knowledge of which persons are political more influential than others. Then they&#039;ll look for people with big gambling debts, in danger of bankruptcy or who have deviances that would be a political liability. A map of connections is not something that you or I may know. Insiders know it, but if the Chinese or the Russians can construct a social networking map from what they get, they&#039;ll be virtual doyens of Georgetown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What if the hacking was simply an investigation of a suspected criminal enterprise. What if the enterprise were the obama campaign, and the investigating agency was the FBI? </i></p>
<p>The simplest explanation is that it was the Chinese or the Russians. Both have very large and well known cyberwarfare arms, including posting brigades. You will recall the large number of &#8220;posters&#8221; on this site during the Georgian War, and the large number of &#8220;Obama&#8221; respondents when I ran an informal poll during a debate.</p>
<p>The campaign database would be important because it can provide a &#8220;human map&#8221; of access to Obama, a database of social networking within the White House circle. The Russians or the Chinese will be looking for access to intel, influence, etc. They will work on who knows who guided by the knowledge of which persons are political more influential than others. Then they&#8217;ll look for people with big gambling debts, in danger of bankruptcy or who have deviances that would be a political liability. A map of connections is not something that you or I may know. Insiders know it, but if the Chinese or the Russians can construct a social networking map from what they get, they&#8217;ll be virtual doyens of Georgetown.</p>
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