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		<title>By: Sons of Dir Awakening &#171; Civilian Irregular Information Defense Group</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/09/24/grim/#comment-13941</link>
		<dc:creator>Sons of Dir Awakening &#171; Civilian Irregular Information Defense Group</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 21:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Habu</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/09/24/grim/#comment-13743</link>
		<dc:creator>Habu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 17:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kindly point out some of my &quot;bluster&quot; I&#039;ll attempt to keep in mind that too much bluster isn&#039;t the PC thing in today&#039;s world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kindly point out some of my &#8220;bluster&#8221; I&#8217;ll attempt to keep in mind that too much bluster isn&#8217;t the PC thing in today&#8217;s world.</p>
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		<title>By: Habu</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/09/24/grim/#comment-13739</link>
		<dc:creator>Habu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 17:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wade-o ..

&quot;I for one don’t care for the way you state your opinion.&quot;

Well gee, if you&#039;ll just tell me what to write and how to write it then I can make you happy...but that guy over there behind that tree, well he doesn&#039;t like your style. What should I do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wade-o ..</p>
<p>&#8220;I for one don’t care for the way you state your opinion.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well gee, if you&#8217;ll just tell me what to write and how to write it then I can make you happy&#8230;but that guy over there behind that tree, well he doesn&#8217;t like your style. What should I do?</p>
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		<title>By: Habu</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/09/24/grim/#comment-13737</link>
		<dc:creator>Habu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 17:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yeah, whoever mentioned Smedley Butler. Well, I reckon he had some perspective. Usually two time Medal of Honor winners are at least credited with bravery.

That he wrote &quot;War is a racket&quot; has more than a ring of truth to it.


Dave..I guess Flecther Christian helped you out on your incorrect misstatement..thanks Flecther.


Cannoneer ....I don&#039;t drink or smoke or chew. I enjoy weightlifting, horseback riding on my Montana property in Townsend, just east of Helena and shooting right out my back door. I would like to learn to fly a tail dragger before I die. Thanks for asking.
It&#039;s great fly fishing country but I&#039;ve never been much for fishing..enjoy skeet shooting though
And finally I&#039;ll stick by my armies are for killing people position. Historically it&#039;s really very accurate and historically it&#039;s been very effective. The candy cane hearts and minds approach hasn&#039;t been around long enough to judge it&#039;s historical effectiveness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah, whoever mentioned Smedley Butler. Well, I reckon he had some perspective. Usually two time Medal of Honor winners are at least credited with bravery.</p>
<p>That he wrote &#8220;War is a racket&#8221; has more than a ring of truth to it.</p>
<p>Dave..I guess Flecther Christian helped you out on your incorrect misstatement..thanks Flecther.</p>
<p>Cannoneer &#8230;.I don&#8217;t drink or smoke or chew. I enjoy weightlifting, horseback riding on my Montana property in Townsend, just east of Helena and shooting right out my back door. I would like to learn to fly a tail dragger before I die. Thanks for asking.<br />
It&#8217;s great fly fishing country but I&#8217;ve never been much for fishing..enjoy skeet shooting though<br />
And finally I&#8217;ll stick by my armies are for killing people position. Historically it&#8217;s really very accurate and historically it&#8217;s been very effective. The candy cane hearts and minds approach hasn&#8217;t been around long enough to judge it&#8217;s historical effectiveness.</p>
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		<title>By: Wadeusaf</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/09/24/grim/#comment-13735</link>
		<dc:creator>Wadeusaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 17:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Habu,

 I for one don&#039;t care for the way you state your opinion. Too bad too, you actually have one or two items that might even be worth the debate. 

 Perhaps you ought to try blogging at one of those fine military sites where your opinion and style are appreciated for the bluster. You see, Old Blue and Old Salt are right on, you are displaying an unfounded arrogance which leads me to believe it is unearned (duh) as well as being unbecoming a formerly professional spook such as yourself. 

 You shoulda stayed gone bu. Life goes on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Habu,</p>
<p> I for one don&#8217;t care for the way you state your opinion. Too bad too, you actually have one or two items that might even be worth the debate. </p>
<p> Perhaps you ought to try blogging at one of those fine military sites where your opinion and style are appreciated for the bluster. You see, Old Blue and Old Salt are right on, you are displaying an unfounded arrogance which leads me to believe it is unearned (duh) as well as being unbecoming a formerly professional spook such as yourself. </p>
<p> You shoulda stayed gone bu. Life goes on.</p>
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		<title>By: Habu</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/09/24/grim/#comment-13731</link>
		<dc:creator>Habu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 17:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cannon,
Didn&#039;t mean to ignore your questions:

Did you fly SR-71’s out of Peshawar, really? 

Did you fight in Angola? Rhodesia?

Did you help overthrow Allende?

Did you help get Whitlam sacked?

Now before I disclose how I managed to be in all these places and do these things I want the collective intelligence of the blog to think about what tasks would allow one to do this...when I give you the answer, you&#039;ll do the palm to forehead head slap and go geez....here are some hints. In some of the tasks total stealth was necessary. In others that was not possible so you had to be prepared to fire a weapon (which I did not carry due to my cover, which I can not disclose, but it&#039;s not vital for the anwser anyway)so you simply got a weapon from friendlies.

Ok , there it is. Covert,multi-tasked,global in scope.  What did I do for part of my CIA service?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cannon,<br />
Didn&#8217;t mean to ignore your questions:</p>
<p>Did you fly SR-71’s out of Peshawar, really? </p>
<p>Did you fight in Angola? Rhodesia?</p>
<p>Did you help overthrow Allende?</p>
<p>Did you help get Whitlam sacked?</p>
<p>Now before I disclose how I managed to be in all these places and do these things I want the collective intelligence of the blog to think about what tasks would allow one to do this&#8230;when I give you the answer, you&#8217;ll do the palm to forehead head slap and go geez&#8230;.here are some hints. In some of the tasks total stealth was necessary. In others that was not possible so you had to be prepared to fire a weapon (which I did not carry due to my cover, which I can not disclose, but it&#8217;s not vital for the anwser anyway)so you simply got a weapon from friendlies.</p>
<p>Ok , there it is. Covert,multi-tasked,global in scope.  What did I do for part of my CIA service?</p>
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		<title>By: Habu</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/09/24/grim/#comment-13724</link>
		<dc:creator>Habu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 16:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blue,

First you&#039;ve made some factual errors. I never claimed I flew out of anywhere. I was a ground pounder in the Marines and worked for the Directorate of Science and Technology and the Operations Directorates during my CIA years. So that covers that territory.

Secondly since I happen to work for the Office of Special Projects OD&amp;E, DDs&amp;T at CIA I actually saw the SR-71&#039;s launch from Packistan. You wouldn&#039;t know this. How old , in years are you?

In the matter of overthrowing the government of Gaugh Whitlam how absurd for you to believe one person does that,much less someone down the totem pole. But there are all levels of involvement in a team effort and I was involved in that team effort in Australia. So now you&#039;re down two scores and I haven&#039;t even opened up.

I&#039;ve been on these blogs long enough to have the same claims you&#039;re making made dozens of times. I just  figure it&#039;s a jealousy thing since even most of the military types never got close to any of the stuff I did and it just eats them up to think they aren&#039;t the top shit they believe they are. I wasn&#039;t top anything either but mid level at CIA is ok in my book. And it was fun. made beaucoup dollars off the records, tax free. Thank you parents for me since you weren&#039;t paying taxes back then.

When you make comments like, &quot;Marine grunts don’t wind up flying jets out of Peshawar AND toppling Australian governments AND operating covertly on the ground in a myriad of African countries. And, sir, if you did, you screwed it up pretty badly.&quot;. Well it shows ignorance and jealousy. Are you saying a person just couldn&#039;t do all that? Hmm.
I&#039;ve addressed the two of the above. The third, Africa. Let me ask you, were you ,in your career ever tasked for more than one operation? If not you weren&#039;t worth much.
You have no idea of the taskings one gets at CIA, Why? Because you weren&#039;t inside and as a consequence don&#039;t have any idea what you&#039;re talking about.
Finally I&#039;m not selling anything and don&#039;t really care how f*cked your inside the box brain is. The basic fact of my post was that you lack perspective. Now we find out you also lack knowledge. Bet &#039;ya had to look up Gaugh Whitlam didn&#039;t ya?  Next try looking up Pine Gap. 

BTW , You remember Vietnam but you sidestepped your age. An eight year old can make the claim you made, &quot;I remember Vietnam&quot;
 
You&#039;re a funny dude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blue,</p>
<p>First you&#8217;ve made some factual errors. I never claimed I flew out of anywhere. I was a ground pounder in the Marines and worked for the Directorate of Science and Technology and the Operations Directorates during my CIA years. So that covers that territory.</p>
<p>Secondly since I happen to work for the Office of Special Projects OD&amp;E, DDs&amp;T at CIA I actually saw the SR-71&#8242;s launch from Packistan. You wouldn&#8217;t know this. How old , in years are you?</p>
<p>In the matter of overthrowing the government of Gaugh Whitlam how absurd for you to believe one person does that,much less someone down the totem pole. But there are all levels of involvement in a team effort and I was involved in that team effort in Australia. So now you&#8217;re down two scores and I haven&#8217;t even opened up.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been on these blogs long enough to have the same claims you&#8217;re making made dozens of times. I just  figure it&#8217;s a jealousy thing since even most of the military types never got close to any of the stuff I did and it just eats them up to think they aren&#8217;t the top shit they believe they are. I wasn&#8217;t top anything either but mid level at CIA is ok in my book. And it was fun. made beaucoup dollars off the records, tax free. Thank you parents for me since you weren&#8217;t paying taxes back then.</p>
<p>When you make comments like, &#8220;Marine grunts don’t wind up flying jets out of Peshawar AND toppling Australian governments AND operating covertly on the ground in a myriad of African countries. And, sir, if you did, you screwed it up pretty badly.&#8221;. Well it shows ignorance and jealousy. Are you saying a person just couldn&#8217;t do all that? Hmm.<br />
I&#8217;ve addressed the two of the above. The third, Africa. Let me ask you, were you ,in your career ever tasked for more than one operation? If not you weren&#8217;t worth much.<br />
You have no idea of the taskings one gets at CIA, Why? Because you weren&#8217;t inside and as a consequence don&#8217;t have any idea what you&#8217;re talking about.<br />
Finally I&#8217;m not selling anything and don&#8217;t really care how f*cked your inside the box brain is. The basic fact of my post was that you lack perspective. Now we find out you also lack knowledge. Bet &#8216;ya had to look up Gaugh Whitlam didn&#8217;t ya?  Next try looking up Pine Gap. </p>
<p>BTW , You remember Vietnam but you sidestepped your age. An eight year old can make the claim you made, &#8220;I remember Vietnam&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re a funny dude.</p>
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		<title>By: Cannoneer No. 4</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/09/24/grim/#comment-13722</link>
		<dc:creator>Cannoneer No. 4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 16:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.blackfive.net/main/2008/09/a-letter-from-a.html#more&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A letter from Afghanistan, from a hero&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.blackfive.net/main/2008/09/a-letter-from-a.html#more" rel="nofollow">A letter from Afghanistan, from a hero</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mad Fiddler</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/09/24/grim/#comment-13721</link>
		<dc:creator>Mad Fiddler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 15:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep in mind that the Vietnamese people sustained their efforts to cast off foreign domination for a number of generations. China had been a repeated foe over centuries; France held &quot;French Indo-China&quot; in the early 20th Century, temporarily replaced by Japan for the duration of WWII, then back to France until Dien Bien Phu, then the USA until the pullout of 1974.

Part of America&#039;s challenge is maintaining an attention span longer than the running time of an Obama campaign commercial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep in mind that the Vietnamese people sustained their efforts to cast off foreign domination for a number of generations. China had been a repeated foe over centuries; France held &#8220;French Indo-China&#8221; in the early 20th Century, temporarily replaced by Japan for the duration of WWII, then back to France until Dien Bien Phu, then the USA until the pullout of 1974.</p>
<p>Part of America&#8217;s challenge is maintaining an attention span longer than the running time of an Obama campaign commercial.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/09/24/grim/#comment-13719</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 15:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Old Blue: Some of us got fair to middling good at VN counterinsurgency.   Those CAP teams were the premier example.   Some Sneaky Petes were not too bad either.  

When I left there for the last time (Dec 1970), the NLF had virtually ceased to exist. Yeah, the commies themselves managed to blow a good thing, but doggone it, I am gonna to claim an assist in their demise.   

Ultimately, it was a highly conventional force that finally overran the RVN. In discussing the admitted shortcomings of the US military during that time, please take pains to see to it that you do not inadvertently promote the leftist myth of 
a guerilla victory stemming from superior ideology.

BTW: I figure that those who fantasize about winning by turning portions of the planet into an uninhabitable wasteland actually harbor desires to see their own place destroyed.   Just like Herr Schickelgruber.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Old Blue: Some of us got fair to middling good at VN counterinsurgency.   Those CAP teams were the premier example.   Some Sneaky Petes were not too bad either.  </p>
<p>When I left there for the last time (Dec 1970), the NLF had virtually ceased to exist. Yeah, the commies themselves managed to blow a good thing, but doggone it, I am gonna to claim an assist in their demise.   </p>
<p>Ultimately, it was a highly conventional force that finally overran the RVN. In discussing the admitted shortcomings of the US military during that time, please take pains to see to it that you do not inadvertently promote the leftist myth of<br />
a guerilla victory stemming from superior ideology.</p>
<p>BTW: I figure that those who fantasize about winning by turning portions of the planet into an uninhabitable wasteland actually harbor desires to see their own place destroyed.   Just like Herr Schickelgruber.</p>
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