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		<title>By: Bob Murphy</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/09/16/hope/#comment-12793</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 22:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Nahncee, you counting on the mullahs to apply checks and balances???:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nahncee, you counting on the mullahs to apply checks and balances???:)</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/09/16/hope/#comment-12661</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope that historian have as much clarity on this issue as you do.  Strategically, the Iraq war should have major benefits to the USA throughout the Middle East for years to come.  This is but one of those benefits.  Bush has yet to (and may never) receive credit for a strategic choice that is just now begining to alter the Middle East in America&#039;s strategic favor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope that historian have as much clarity on this issue as you do.  Strategically, the Iraq war should have major benefits to the USA throughout the Middle East for years to come.  This is but one of those benefits.  Bush has yet to (and may never) receive credit for a strategic choice that is just now begining to alter the Middle East in America&#8217;s strategic favor.</p>
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		<title>By: Nine-of-Diamonds</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/09/16/hope/#comment-12629</link>
		<dc:creator>Nine-of-Diamonds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ whiskey:

Fascinating that Benj &amp; the other apologists can&#039;t get one major point through their thick heads:  If a major nuclear conflict starts, it&#039;s going to be the Blue States that will suffer the most. With a few exceptions like Orange County, built-up urban areas have high concentrations of Democratic voter blocs - blacks, hispanics, Jews, gays, secular professionals, government employees, union men. When that innocent-looking shipping container arrives from Iran it will be most convenient and effective to unleash it on the destination port city (NY? Philadelphia?) An attack on dispersed infrastructure targets in the &quot;Red States&quot; won&#039;t produce the desired death toll. The indulgence that Blue Staters display towards those who&#039;d destroy them would be comical if it weren&#039;t so frightening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ whiskey:</p>
<p>Fascinating that Benj &amp; the other apologists can&#8217;t get one major point through their thick heads:  If a major nuclear conflict starts, it&#8217;s going to be the Blue States that will suffer the most. With a few exceptions like Orange County, built-up urban areas have high concentrations of Democratic voter blocs &#8211; blacks, hispanics, Jews, gays, secular professionals, government employees, union men. When that innocent-looking shipping container arrives from Iran it will be most convenient and effective to unleash it on the destination port city (NY? Philadelphia?) An attack on dispersed infrastructure targets in the &#8220;Red States&#8221; won&#8217;t produce the desired death toll. The indulgence that Blue Staters display towards those who&#8217;d destroy them would be comical if it weren&#8217;t so frightening.</p>
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		<title>By: Benj</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/09/16/hope/#comment-12572</link>
		<dc:creator>Benj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 13:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben said: &quot;Ayers and Dohrn were Kooks. Back in the day, they might even have been as stone crazy as Ken. Certainly more dangerous...&quot;

Whiskey said: &quot;Benj approves of [Ayers &amp; Dohrn]&quot; 

Whiskey lies. (Dutch Courage?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben said: &#8220;Ayers and Dohrn were Kooks. Back in the day, they might even have been as stone crazy as Ken. Certainly more dangerous&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Whiskey said: &#8220;Benj approves of [Ayers &amp; Dohrn]&#8221; </p>
<p>Whiskey lies. (Dutch Courage?)</p>
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		<title>By: NahnCee</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/09/16/hope/#comment-12568</link>
		<dc:creator>NahnCee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 13:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We will know within a few weeks of them getting nukes that they have them with that idiot Iranian president.
What point would there be for him to have them if he didn’t make immediate use of them operationally or for psychological warfare?&quot;

You think the mullah&#039;s would let him have control of the Persian version of the football?  America has a system where at least two authorized people have to be present and participating to fire off a nuke.  I&#039;d be stunned and amazed if Ahmadinnerjacket could fire off whatever passes for their nuclear toy all by his little lonesome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We will know within a few weeks of them getting nukes that they have them with that idiot Iranian president.<br />
What point would there be for him to have them if he didn’t make immediate use of them operationally or for psychological warfare?&#8221;</p>
<p>You think the mullah&#8217;s would let him have control of the Persian version of the football?  America has a system where at least two authorized people have to be present and participating to fire off a nuke.  I&#8217;d be stunned and amazed if Ahmadinnerjacket could fire off whatever passes for their nuclear toy all by his little lonesome.</p>
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		<title>By: coyotl</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/09/16/hope/#comment-12566</link>
		<dc:creator>coyotl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 13:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lifeofthe Minds is on the right track, and you seem to be hiding from many of the political developments in Iraq, Wretchard.  The pro-Iranian, pro-Hezbollah, Shiite Islamist government has been arresting our &quot;allies&quot; in the Anbar Awakening:

&quot;Iraq Takes Aim at U.S.-Tied Sunni Groups’ Leaders 
By RICHARD A. OPPEL Jr.
BAGHDAD — The Shiite-dominated government in Iraq is driving out many leaders of Sunni citizen patrols, the groups of former insurgents who joined the American payroll and have been a major pillar in the decline in violence around the nation. 

In restive Diyala Province, United States and Iraqi military officials say there were orders to arrest hundreds of members of what is known as the Awakening movement as part of large security operations by the Iraqi military. At least five senior members have been arrested there in recent weeks, leaders of the groups say. &quot;

(Since URLs get moderated, readers can look it up themselves)

The Shiite thug-government has been raiding voting centers in advance of regional elections, all in order to intimidate the opposition:

&quot;Iraqi elections official fears fair vote in jeopardy 
Updated 8/15/2008 1:31 

By Charles Levinson and Ali A. Nabhan, USA TODAY
BAGHDAD — Iraqi security forces loyal to the Shiite-led government are raiding voter registration centers and taking other steps to discourage participation in upcoming elections, says the head of Iraq&#039;s voting regulatory agency.&quot;

And alert Belmont readers must know that Iraqi PM Maliki spent 3 days in June conversing with his good friend, the Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei before Maliki came out for Obama&#039;s withdrawal plan.

Why should we support, or arm such dubious allies?  Why do you Wretchard, believe that the pro-Hezbollah Shiite thug-government is a &quot;liberal&quot; ally?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lifeofthe Minds is on the right track, and you seem to be hiding from many of the political developments in Iraq, Wretchard.  The pro-Iranian, pro-Hezbollah, Shiite Islamist government has been arresting our &#8220;allies&#8221; in the Anbar Awakening:</p>
<p>&#8220;Iraq Takes Aim at U.S.-Tied Sunni Groups’ Leaders<br />
By RICHARD A. OPPEL Jr.<br />
BAGHDAD — The Shiite-dominated government in Iraq is driving out many leaders of Sunni citizen patrols, the groups of former insurgents who joined the American payroll and have been a major pillar in the decline in violence around the nation. </p>
<p>In restive Diyala Province, United States and Iraqi military officials say there were orders to arrest hundreds of members of what is known as the Awakening movement as part of large security operations by the Iraqi military. At least five senior members have been arrested there in recent weeks, leaders of the groups say. &#8221;</p>
<p>(Since URLs get moderated, readers can look it up themselves)</p>
<p>The Shiite thug-government has been raiding voting centers in advance of regional elections, all in order to intimidate the opposition:</p>
<p>&#8220;Iraqi elections official fears fair vote in jeopardy<br />
Updated 8/15/2008 1:31 </p>
<p>By Charles Levinson and Ali A. Nabhan, USA TODAY<br />
BAGHDAD — Iraqi security forces loyal to the Shiite-led government are raiding voter registration centers and taking other steps to discourage participation in upcoming elections, says the head of Iraq&#8217;s voting regulatory agency.&#8221;</p>
<p>And alert Belmont readers must know that Iraqi PM Maliki spent 3 days in June conversing with his good friend, the Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei before Maliki came out for Obama&#8217;s withdrawal plan.</p>
<p>Why should we support, or arm such dubious allies?  Why do you Wretchard, believe that the pro-Hezbollah Shiite thug-government is a &#8220;liberal&#8221; ally?</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Murphy</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/09/16/hope/#comment-12542</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 08:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We will know within a few weeks of them getting nukes that they have them with that idiot Iranian president.
What point would there be for him to have them if he didn&#039;t make immediate use of them operationally or for psychological warfare?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We will know within a few weeks of them getting nukes that they have them with that idiot Iranian president.<br />
What point would there be for him to have them if he didn&#8217;t make immediate use of them operationally or for psychological warfare?</p>
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		<title>By: whiskey</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/09/16/hope/#comment-12534</link>
		<dc:creator>whiskey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 06:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ayers and Dorhn did kill people. Because they had wealthy, powerful, politically connected to the Chicago machine fathers, they got off. They were and are, however, terrorists.

That Benj approves of them speaks for itself.

That Obama chose to begin his political career with Ayers also speaks for itself -- Obama does not love America. He hates it.

WRT Iraq, can they do anything meaningful Wretchard to Iran?

No. Iran&#039;s nukes (I&#039;m sure they already have them) means that regime is frozen in place, like North Korea&#039;s. It can last a few centuries more. Iran effectively can get away with anything, and everything, with nukes. It has them, it&#039;s enemies do not. No one can retaliate against them either. Iran could pull off another 9/11 and the US could do nothing, because of the nukes. Any more than it could retaliate against Pakistan.

Of course those nukes make them a big fat target for retaliation, eventually, when US cities die in a nuclear terrorist attack, but they don&#039;t think so, gambling on inherent US weakness due to PC. After all, after 9/11 did not Bush visit a Mosque in what was viewed in Iran as surrender? Has not Britain surrendered to Sharia after terrorism?

Iraq&#039;s next step is nuclear weapons (along with everyone else). Only then will they be on a level playing field with Iran. I&#039;m sure they&#039;ll start a program soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ayers and Dorhn did kill people. Because they had wealthy, powerful, politically connected to the Chicago machine fathers, they got off. They were and are, however, terrorists.</p>
<p>That Benj approves of them speaks for itself.</p>
<p>That Obama chose to begin his political career with Ayers also speaks for itself &#8212; Obama does not love America. He hates it.</p>
<p>WRT Iraq, can they do anything meaningful Wretchard to Iran?</p>
<p>No. Iran&#8217;s nukes (I&#8217;m sure they already have them) means that regime is frozen in place, like North Korea&#8217;s. It can last a few centuries more. Iran effectively can get away with anything, and everything, with nukes. It has them, it&#8217;s enemies do not. No one can retaliate against them either. Iran could pull off another 9/11 and the US could do nothing, because of the nukes. Any more than it could retaliate against Pakistan.</p>
<p>Of course those nukes make them a big fat target for retaliation, eventually, when US cities die in a nuclear terrorist attack, but they don&#8217;t think so, gambling on inherent US weakness due to PC. After all, after 9/11 did not Bush visit a Mosque in what was viewed in Iran as surrender? Has not Britain surrendered to Sharia after terrorism?</p>
<p>Iraq&#8217;s next step is nuclear weapons (along with everyone else). Only then will they be on a level playing field with Iran. I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;ll start a program soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Murphy</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/09/16/hope/#comment-12533</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 06:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Besides tenure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Besides tenure.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Murphy</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/09/16/hope/#comment-12532</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 06:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It gives me the irrits that Ayers and Dohrn, in the end, gamed the system that they so despised, but it does not surprise me.
Wannabes and gadflies.
Damn, she had a nice set of legs. And sure used that to advantage. Had a mesmerizing effect on a lot of guys. Wonder what she runs on now.:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It gives me the irrits that Ayers and Dohrn, in the end, gamed the system that they so despised, but it does not surprise me.<br />
Wannabes and gadflies.<br />
Damn, she had a nice set of legs. And sure used that to advantage. Had a mesmerizing effect on a lot of guys. Wonder what she runs on now.:)</p>
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