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		<title>By: buddy larsen</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/09/10/tigerhawk-for-president/#comment-12011</link>
		<dc:creator>buddy larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 19:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, I came away with all Palinophilia in place if not augmented, and wondering more, a whole lot more, about what in the world makes a Charlie Gibson &quot;qualified&quot;.

Anyhoo, some personalities just won&#039;t mesh. In these two, there&#039;s a sunny energetic very brainy meta-truther being interrogated by someone much slower, much less (cough) &#039;agile&#039;, and yet keen to maintain his own pride of place. Very clunky chemistry --very much like two different languages in play.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, I came away with all Palinophilia in place if not augmented, and wondering more, a whole lot more, about what in the world makes a Charlie Gibson &#8220;qualified&#8221;.</p>
<p>Anyhoo, some personalities just won&#8217;t mesh. In these two, there&#8217;s a sunny energetic very brainy meta-truther being interrogated by someone much slower, much less (cough) &#8216;agile&#8217;, and yet keen to maintain his own pride of place. Very clunky chemistry &#8211;very much like two different languages in play.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 05:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did anyone notice that Gibson&#039;s Bush Doctrine question shows his ignorance of international law and that Sarah answered correctly twice.

http://kenanthony.bustablog.com/2008/09/sorry-charlie-you-got-it-wrong/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did anyone notice that Gibson&#8217;s Bush Doctrine question shows his ignorance of international law and that Sarah answered correctly twice.</p>
<p><a href="http://kenanthony.bustablog.com/2008/09/sorry-charlie-you-got-it-wrong/" rel="nofollow">http://kenanthony.bustablog.com/2008/09/sorry-charlie-you-got-it-wrong/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/09/10/tigerhawk-for-president/#comment-11845</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 02:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, America heard what Charlie Gibson thought some of the questions should be tonight.

Pretty unbelievable.  Almost all of his  questions were  of the condescending gotcha type , repeated several times over and over in a slightly different badgering sort of way to trip her up.  He tried  to  exude the air of the knowing Professor lecturing the dumb freshman. The Messiah would never be treated this way!

Gibson clearly misquoted Palin in her so-called &quot;God&#039;s Plan&quot; speech  and used an edited clip to reinforce his misrepresentation of the facts. 

He clearly reinforced the impression that the media is out to get her.

But Sarah came out swinging, particularly in response to his lying insistence of her &quot;exact words&quot;.  She did fine.  I did&#039;nt mind her answer on the &quot;Bush Doctrine&quot; or Pakistan, and didn&#039;t think she looked bad at any point.  

He looked like a jerk.  This interview  won&#039;t hurt her, but it may rally even more women to her side.  I can&#039;t see too many clear thinking women being happy with the way see was treated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, America heard what Charlie Gibson thought some of the questions should be tonight.</p>
<p>Pretty unbelievable.  Almost all of his  questions were  of the condescending gotcha type , repeated several times over and over in a slightly different badgering sort of way to trip her up.  He tried  to  exude the air of the knowing Professor lecturing the dumb freshman. The Messiah would never be treated this way!</p>
<p>Gibson clearly misquoted Palin in her so-called &#8220;God&#8217;s Plan&#8221; speech  and used an edited clip to reinforce his misrepresentation of the facts. </p>
<p>He clearly reinforced the impression that the media is out to get her.</p>
<p>But Sarah came out swinging, particularly in response to his lying insistence of her &#8220;exact words&#8221;.  She did fine.  I did&#8217;nt mind her answer on the &#8220;Bush Doctrine&#8221; or Pakistan, and didn&#8217;t think she looked bad at any point.  </p>
<p>He looked like a jerk.  This interview  won&#8217;t hurt her, but it may rally even more women to her side.  I can&#8217;t see too many clear thinking women being happy with the way see was treated.</p>
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		<title>By: Benj</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/09/10/tigerhawk-for-president/#comment-11809</link>
		<dc:creator>Benj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 19:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Murph - &quot;What makes you want to go looking for stuff like that?&quot; Didn&#039;t exactly search it out - but if you&#039;re aware of history (and history in the making) sometimes you can&#039;t avoid ugly facts of un-feeling. I&#039;m reminded - given the date - of that line from the Jihadists&#039; manual for the 9/11 hijackers:

&quot;If God grants [manna] any of you a slaughter [dhabaha], you should perform it as an offering on behalf of your father and mother, for they are owed by you. Do not disagree amongst yourselves, but listen and obey. If you slaughter, you should plunder those you slaughter, for that is one of the sanctioned customs of the Prophet...&quot;

You&#039;re not all wrong - by the way - re that father and son living in a &quot;mental projection.&quot; As it happens, I&#039;ve tried to fast-forward the pop into a brighter American day. OBama, of course, packs a lot more push that I ever will on that front. One of the reasons why I&#039;m so juiced about him is that his presence promises to make it easier for Afro-Am elders (and young&#039;uns) to sublate the past. Don&#039;t much care what you think of me, but, for the record, I don&#039;t lay the weight of the past on my kid. Doubt he&#039;ll be able to avoid it entirely though. Just hope I&#039;m there to help when the time comes for him to fully comprehend the painful truths of how race survived American history. I&#039;m going to prepare him early by talking up this country&#039;s heroes all through his childhood...

PS One reason why I respect the writer quotd above is that he directed me (and others) to Ousmane Sembene&#039;s &quot;Tribal Scars&quot; - a great 60s&#039; short story that zeroed in on black Africans&#039; complicity in the slave trade...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Murph &#8211; &#8220;What makes you want to go looking for stuff like that?&#8221; Didn&#8217;t exactly search it out &#8211; but if you&#8217;re aware of history (and history in the making) sometimes you can&#8217;t avoid ugly facts of un-feeling. I&#8217;m reminded &#8211; given the date &#8211; of that line from the Jihadists&#8217; manual for the 9/11 hijackers:</p>
<p>&#8220;If God grants [manna] any of you a slaughter [dhabaha], you should perform it as an offering on behalf of your father and mother, for they are owed by you. Do not disagree amongst yourselves, but listen and obey. If you slaughter, you should plunder those you slaughter, for that is one of the sanctioned customs of the Prophet&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re not all wrong &#8211; by the way &#8211; re that father and son living in a &#8220;mental projection.&#8221; As it happens, I&#8217;ve tried to fast-forward the pop into a brighter American day. OBama, of course, packs a lot more push that I ever will on that front. One of the reasons why I&#8217;m so juiced about him is that his presence promises to make it easier for Afro-Am elders (and young&#8217;uns) to sublate the past. Don&#8217;t much care what you think of me, but, for the record, I don&#8217;t lay the weight of the past on my kid. Doubt he&#8217;ll be able to avoid it entirely though. Just hope I&#8217;m there to help when the time comes for him to fully comprehend the painful truths of how race survived American history. I&#8217;m going to prepare him early by talking up this country&#8217;s heroes all through his childhood&#8230;</p>
<p>PS One reason why I respect the writer quotd above is that he directed me (and others) to Ousmane Sembene&#8217;s &#8220;Tribal Scars&#8221; &#8211; a great 60s&#8217; short story that zeroed in on black Africans&#8217; complicity in the slave trade&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/09/10/tigerhawk-for-president/#comment-11807</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 18:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama&#039;s lipstick on a pig comment, just like his coy middle finger salute during a response to a Hillary jab during an earlier  speech, displays this knowing snarkiness about Obama.  In Obama&#039;s deranged,  amoral and insulated world of the academic left, it&#039;s cool to  dis  the ways of middle America and particularly the right, in foul and shocking terms. He purposely and coyly made the pig remark to connect with his deranged supporters. And they got it right away.   His supporters thought the remark  was cool and wildly cheered it, particularly since it had a certain  plausible deniability about it. 

But the Messiah forgot and will forget in the future again and again, that he needs the vote  and support of middle America to win the Presidency and govern as President.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama&#8217;s lipstick on a pig comment, just like his coy middle finger salute during a response to a Hillary jab during an earlier  speech, displays this knowing snarkiness about Obama.  In Obama&#8217;s deranged,  amoral and insulated world of the academic left, it&#8217;s cool to  dis  the ways of middle America and particularly the right, in foul and shocking terms. He purposely and coyly made the pig remark to connect with his deranged supporters. And they got it right away.   His supporters thought the remark  was cool and wildly cheered it, particularly since it had a certain  plausible deniability about it. </p>
<p>But the Messiah forgot and will forget in the future again and again, that he needs the vote  and support of middle America to win the Presidency and govern as President.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re father and son in the story, like you, live in a dream world, a mental projection, Benj.
What mental defilement makes you want to go looking for stuff like that?
Poor bastard.
And then you must try to rope other people in for validation of your madness.
Life is short, Benj, and illusion is a waste of precious time.

The struggle of what one likes
and what one dislikes
is the disease of the mind.
Sosan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re father and son in the story, like you, live in a dream world, a mental projection, Benj.<br />
What mental defilement makes you want to go looking for stuff like that?<br />
Poor bastard.<br />
And then you must try to rope other people in for validation of your madness.<br />
Life is short, Benj, and illusion is a waste of precious time.</p>
<p>The struggle of what one likes<br />
and what one dislikes<br />
is the disease of the mind.<br />
Sosan</p>
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		<title>By: Benj</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 15:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Murph: &quot;There is no legacy [of white supremacy] to overcome.&quot; Know you were typing fast but the next sentence gives up the ghost. &quot;Just how many people do you think died in the Civil War?&quot; One thing that makes America a truly exceptional country is our history of having fought an immense civil war to end slavery. (Didn&#039;t happen anywhere else.) But race survived the war and Reconstruction. What followed was the strange career of Jim Crow and then decades of struggle against entrenched white power structures. Did you see those black elders - I&#039;m thinking of John Lewis in particular - as they got teary when Obama was nominated (by acclamation) at the Democratic convention? Is it possible they know something about American history that went right past you?

RE Reason and emotion - who feels it knows it? Not always but try this on - it&#039;s by an Afro-American writer recalling his experience on the island of Goree off the coast of Senegal which was used as a way-station for slavers for hundreds of years..

&quot;My son and I went up there in Goree… … and when we went to the slave castle and we sat up there in this dungeon with the door closed and everything, tears started coming out of our eyes. The two of us sitting there, father and son, not saying a word, just sitting there crying. Why? I don’t know. It’s just that feeling is too strong, it’s too strong…. You just sit there and suddenly, psychologically you begin to feel it on you. It’s something. You don’t want that but you start feeling it. I remember we came out of there crying and when we came out in the open, it was a group of French tourists walking towards us, and Ras says to me, what they want? What do these White people want? That thing grips you. When you come into that, when you actually come close to slavery itself – —I don’t mean stories of it, but when you actually get close to it, it will do something to you. No doubt about it. They got a hole in the wall, the door of no return and if you couldn’t make it they would just kick you aside into the ocean. A lot of the people had never seen the ocean, you know, because they were from inland. They had seen lakes. They might jump out there and think they could swim it, might think it was a lake, but that was the Atlantic Ocean and the sharks be circling down in there. Now when you conceive that and conceive that there were people upstairs over the prison, who lived there, who had a little hatch, a trap door in their floor where they could look through there and check on the slaves, you understand what I’m saying? You’ve got to be a cold mamajamma to do that. People down there [makes screaming sounds] screaming and what not, and you can pick up the door, you have your dinner and sh– upstairs and you could pick up the door and look down and see what was happening with that, well, you can’t have no feeling with that. Feeling has to be abolished. That’s why I’m saying they make that separation between the intellectual process and emotion. But I say, if you can’t feel you can’t think. That’s my feeling about that. That’s why we ask philosophers every morning, how you feel?&quot;


Re my parenting - Hoped to slip the issue of race (as much as possible). Have a visceral distaste for, say, kids&#039; books/media that aim to &quot;teach&quot; tolerance - Always figured the best thing about living for the City was that children played their way past received notions to the truths of equality (and individuality). But race matters turn out to be a little harder to sail past than I thought. That&#039;s (American) life, though things Change...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Murph: &#8220;There is no legacy [of white supremacy] to overcome.&#8221; Know you were typing fast but the next sentence gives up the ghost. &#8220;Just how many people do you think died in the Civil War?&#8221; One thing that makes America a truly exceptional country is our history of having fought an immense civil war to end slavery. (Didn&#8217;t happen anywhere else.) But race survived the war and Reconstruction. What followed was the strange career of Jim Crow and then decades of struggle against entrenched white power structures. Did you see those black elders &#8211; I&#8217;m thinking of John Lewis in particular &#8211; as they got teary when Obama was nominated (by acclamation) at the Democratic convention? Is it possible they know something about American history that went right past you?</p>
<p>RE Reason and emotion &#8211; who feels it knows it? Not always but try this on &#8211; it&#8217;s by an Afro-American writer recalling his experience on the island of Goree off the coast of Senegal which was used as a way-station for slavers for hundreds of years..</p>
<p>&#8220;My son and I went up there in Goree… … and when we went to the slave castle and we sat up there in this dungeon with the door closed and everything, tears started coming out of our eyes. The two of us sitting there, father and son, not saying a word, just sitting there crying. Why? I don’t know. It’s just that feeling is too strong, it’s too strong…. You just sit there and suddenly, psychologically you begin to feel it on you. It’s something. You don’t want that but you start feeling it. I remember we came out of there crying and when we came out in the open, it was a group of French tourists walking towards us, and Ras says to me, what they want? What do these White people want? That thing grips you. When you come into that, when you actually come close to slavery itself – —I don’t mean stories of it, but when you actually get close to it, it will do something to you. No doubt about it. They got a hole in the wall, the door of no return and if you couldn’t make it they would just kick you aside into the ocean. A lot of the people had never seen the ocean, you know, because they were from inland. They had seen lakes. They might jump out there and think they could swim it, might think it was a lake, but that was the Atlantic Ocean and the sharks be circling down in there. Now when you conceive that and conceive that there were people upstairs over the prison, who lived there, who had a little hatch, a trap door in their floor where they could look through there and check on the slaves, you understand what I’m saying? You’ve got to be a cold mamajamma to do that. People down there [makes screaming sounds] screaming and what not, and you can pick up the door, you have your dinner and sh– upstairs and you could pick up the door and look down and see what was happening with that, well, you can’t have no feeling with that. Feeling has to be abolished. That’s why I’m saying they make that separation between the intellectual process and emotion. But I say, if you can’t feel you can’t think. That’s my feeling about that. That’s why we ask philosophers every morning, how you feel?&#8221;</p>
<p>Re my parenting &#8211; Hoped to slip the issue of race (as much as possible). Have a visceral distaste for, say, kids&#8217; books/media that aim to &#8220;teach&#8221; tolerance &#8211; Always figured the best thing about living for the City was that children played their way past received notions to the truths of equality (and individuality). But race matters turn out to be a little harder to sail past than I thought. That&#8217;s (American) life, though things Change&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not trying to dogpile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not trying to dogpile.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;All caveats in place, Wretch spoke of Bush’s graduating from Harvard w/o contempt. Yet this time around, he’s all disdain for his old institution…&quot;

I don&#039;t know if you are being deliberately obtuse or what. Try this, from your posts I&#039;d say you are neither illiterate nor mentally retarded. But I still think you are a douche. Any inconsistency there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;All caveats in place, Wretch spoke of Bush’s graduating from Harvard w/o contempt. Yet this time around, he’s all disdain for his old institution…&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if you are being deliberately obtuse or what. Try this, from your posts I&#8217;d say you are neither illiterate nor mentally retarded. But I still think you are a douche. Any inconsistency there?</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard the playback of his pig talk. He put on a Southside accent. If you are hip to it what he was saying in code was: Palin is a white pig and McCain is a dead white fish. Nasty stuff for a possible POTUS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard the playback of his pig talk. He put on a Southside accent. If you are hip to it what he was saying in code was: Palin is a white pig and McCain is a dead white fish. Nasty stuff for a possible POTUS.</p>
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