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		<title>By: Bob Murphy</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/09/08/the-rise-of-the-meme/#comment-11735</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 04:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Lifeofthemind
There were 220,000 Murphys in the US in the 1970 census and 27 Robert Murphys in the phone book in my native San Francisco when I left there in 1973.
And I dropped my middle name to make it just that little bit harder for people who don&#039;t know me to find me. I just like being where I am at the time without dragging around a whole lot of baggage.
Google is a glorious thing. Friends from various periods of my life find me easily by adding a few recognition factors to my name but cold callers simply can&#039;t do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lifeofthemind<br />
There were 220,000 Murphys in the US in the 1970 census and 27 Robert Murphys in the phone book in my native San Francisco when I left there in 1973.<br />
And I dropped my middle name to make it just that little bit harder for people who don&#8217;t know me to find me. I just like being where I am at the time without dragging around a whole lot of baggage.<br />
Google is a glorious thing. Friends from various periods of my life find me easily by adding a few recognition factors to my name but cold callers simply can&#8217;t do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Murphy</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/09/08/the-rise-of-the-meme/#comment-11733</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 04:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, funny about Roy going all &quot;toey&quot; (Australian idiom for wanting to fight), here. He has some intelligent stuff to say but then goes all funny.
As for the correspondent wondering about there not being many moonbats and other types of cretins here; I have seen quite a few of them elegantly dispatched by BC regulars. They just didn&#039;t have a sporting chance. Manifestly out of their leagues. There may be some other mechanism at work here that I am unaware of but these dynamics help to make the site self policing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, funny about Roy going all &#8220;toey&#8221; (Australian idiom for wanting to fight), here. He has some intelligent stuff to say but then goes all funny.<br />
As for the correspondent wondering about there not being many moonbats and other types of cretins here; I have seen quite a few of them elegantly dispatched by BC regulars. They just didn&#8217;t have a sporting chance. Manifestly out of their leagues. There may be some other mechanism at work here that I am unaware of but these dynamics help to make the site self policing.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Lofquist</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/09/08/the-rise-of-the-meme/#comment-11635</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Lofquist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Juveniles,

&quot;I assume you use a pseudonym like everyone else and your real name is something like Wesley Butkis. How many Bob Murphys are in the phone book?&quot;

Those, sir, are fighting words. I dare you to call someone a liar to their face.

&quot;Roy sounds like he’s old, cranky and in pain. I wonder if he’s also self-medicating&quot;

What can I say, Dear Nahncee? Personal ad hominen attacks without provocation do not a rational, mature person make.

Regards,
Roy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Juveniles,</p>
<p>&#8220;I assume you use a pseudonym like everyone else and your real name is something like Wesley Butkis. How many Bob Murphys are in the phone book?&#8221;</p>
<p>Those, sir, are fighting words. I dare you to call someone a liar to their face.</p>
<p>&#8220;Roy sounds like he’s old, cranky and in pain. I wonder if he’s also self-medicating&#8221;</p>
<p>What can I say, Dear Nahncee? Personal ad hominen attacks without provocation do not a rational, mature person make.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Roy</p>
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		<title>By: NahnCee</title>
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		<dc:creator>NahnCee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roy sounds like he&#039;s old, cranky and in pain.  I wonder if he&#039;s also self-medicating.  In any case, there are much more interesting things to pay attention to than a self-indulgent sick person semaphoring for attention.  And name-calling.

Old Fogey - change your name.  I was thinking this morning that hurling the epithet &quot;old!&quot; is now the same sort of insult as &quot;stupid!&quot; or &quot;fat!&quot; used to be.  And I wonder why and how being perceived as being &quot;old!&quot; has attained the same level of denunciation as &quot;pedophile!&quot;, for example.  In any case, naming yourself &quot;old&quot; just detracts immediately from your arguments and does give unnecessary ammunition to the frothing moonbats you&#039;re lamenting about on other sites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roy sounds like he&#8217;s old, cranky and in pain.  I wonder if he&#8217;s also self-medicating.  In any case, there are much more interesting things to pay attention to than a self-indulgent sick person semaphoring for attention.  And name-calling.</p>
<p>Old Fogey &#8211; change your name.  I was thinking this morning that hurling the epithet &#8220;old!&#8221; is now the same sort of insult as &#8220;stupid!&#8221; or &#8220;fat!&#8221; used to be.  And I wonder why and how being perceived as being &#8220;old!&#8221; has attained the same level of denunciation as &#8220;pedophile!&#8221;, for example.  In any case, naming yourself &#8220;old&#8221; just detracts immediately from your arguments and does give unnecessary ammunition to the frothing moonbats you&#8217;re lamenting about on other sites.</p>
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		<title>By: Lifeofthemind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lifeofthemind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wretchard has created a community where people of varying backgrounds can do what the net promises and rarely delivers by safely bringing a variety of talents and experiences to examine a problem and literally create knew knowledge. As a long time member of this community I treasure the ability to share and gain from those who come here. The abusive conduct of Roy is disturbing not only because it drags into this Club the atmosphere of the streets but because it is a direct and deliberate assault on just those rules that make this place work. It is easy to ignore someone who resorts to torrents of abuse and slander however the presence of someone who is attempting to change the very fabric of the blog to expose persons to cyber bullying and threats is much more serious. Roy is attempting to bait me into revealing personal information which I do not do precisely because he is the person that I choose never to sully my life with. He had no legitimate reason to begin this with me at all. He is seeking for purely personal reasons to exclude a voice from the conversation because he wishes to determine the outcome of the debate. The only voices before today that I suggested blocking from the site were the open cut and paste agents of the Kremlin for wasting bandwidth. Roy&#039;s attacks on the very fabric of this community are much more serious and I do ask Wretchard to consider what is in the best interests of his Club.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wretchard has created a community where people of varying backgrounds can do what the net promises and rarely delivers by safely bringing a variety of talents and experiences to examine a problem and literally create knew knowledge. As a long time member of this community I treasure the ability to share and gain from those who come here. The abusive conduct of Roy is disturbing not only because it drags into this Club the atmosphere of the streets but because it is a direct and deliberate assault on just those rules that make this place work. It is easy to ignore someone who resorts to torrents of abuse and slander however the presence of someone who is attempting to change the very fabric of the blog to expose persons to cyber bullying and threats is much more serious. Roy is attempting to bait me into revealing personal information which I do not do precisely because he is the person that I choose never to sully my life with. He had no legitimate reason to begin this with me at all. He is seeking for purely personal reasons to exclude a voice from the conversation because he wishes to determine the outcome of the debate. The only voices before today that I suggested blocking from the site were the open cut and paste agents of the Kremlin for wasting bandwidth. Roy&#8217;s attacks on the very fabric of this community are much more serious and I do ask Wretchard to consider what is in the best interests of his Club.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Lofquist</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/09/08/the-rise-of-the-meme/#comment-11591</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Lofquist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Oldefogey,

That was not a hissy-fit. What I would like to do is drag him out of his hole and thrash him. I&#039;m 65 and not in the best of shape but I&#039;ll give him the first punch free. Somehow I suspect he&#039;d use that opportunity to go elsewhere.

He is a pretentious bigot who hurls vile insults at people from behind the curtain of anonymity. I&#039;ve mixed it up with the best of them - men. I know all the common ones in six languages. Men - not juvenile coffee house philosophers who wax poetic about Socrates and compose haiku whilst rolling a joint.

What I have learned, from painful experience, is that you can call someone every name in the book except one - liar. That one&#039;s going to get you some loose teeth every time.

He is not a troll. He is something much worse - a deranged college dropout.

Regards,
Roy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Oldefogey,</p>
<p>That was not a hissy-fit. What I would like to do is drag him out of his hole and thrash him. I&#8217;m 65 and not in the best of shape but I&#8217;ll give him the first punch free. Somehow I suspect he&#8217;d use that opportunity to go elsewhere.</p>
<p>He is a pretentious bigot who hurls vile insults at people from behind the curtain of anonymity. I&#8217;ve mixed it up with the best of them &#8211; men. I know all the common ones in six languages. Men &#8211; not juvenile coffee house philosophers who wax poetic about Socrates and compose haiku whilst rolling a joint.</p>
<p>What I have learned, from painful experience, is that you can call someone every name in the book except one &#8211; liar. That one&#8217;s going to get you some loose teeth every time.</p>
<p>He is not a troll. He is something much worse &#8211; a deranged college dropout.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Roy</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 08:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting. I&#039;ve never stopped to think about comments on MSM sites. They are so mindless I&#039;ve only read a few.
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&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/JI03Aa02.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Spengler: How Friendless Obama Lost the Election&lt;/a&gt;

&quot;Combine a child&#039;s response to serial abandonment with the perspective of an outsider, and Obama became an alien species against which American politics had no natural defenses.

&lt;strong&gt;He is a Third World anthropologist profiling Americans, in but not of the American system. No country&#039;s politics depends more openly on friendships than America&#039;s, yet Obama has not a single real friend,&lt;/strong&gt; for he rose so fast that all his acquaintances become rungs on the ladder of his ascent.
One human relationship crowds the others out of his life, his marriage to Michelle, a strong, assertive and very angry woman.

If Novak&#039;s report is accurate, then Michelle&#039;s anger will have lost the election for Obama, as Achilles&#039; anger nearly killed the Greek cause in the Trojan War. But the responsibility rests not with Michelle, but with Obama.

&quot;Obama&#039;s failure of nerve at the cusp of his success is consistent with my profile of the candidate, in which I predicted that he would self-destruct. It&#039;s happening faster than I expected. As I wrote last February: &#039;It is conceivable that Barack Obama, if elected, will destroy himself before he destroys the country. Hatred is a toxic diet even for someone with as strong a stomach as Obama ... Both Obama and the American public should be very careful of what they wish for. As the horrible example of Obama&#039;s father shows, there is nothing worse for an embittered outsider manipulating the system from within than to achieve his goals.&#039; By all rights, the Democrats should win this election. They will lose, I predict, because of the flawed character of their candidate
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Obama succumbed to the character weakness I described in a February 26 profile of (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/JB26Aa01.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Obama&#039;s women reveal his secret&lt;/a&gt;). 
His peculiar dependency on an assertive and often rancorous spouse, I argued, made him vulnerable, and predicted that Obama 
&quot;will destroy himself before he destroys the country&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. I&#8217;ve never stopped to think about comments on MSM sites. They are so mindless I&#8217;ve only read a few.<br />
&#8212;<br />
<a href="http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/JI03Aa02.html" rel="nofollow">Spengler: How Friendless Obama Lost the Election</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Combine a child&#8217;s response to serial abandonment with the perspective of an outsider, and Obama became an alien species against which American politics had no natural defenses.</p>
<p><strong>He is a Third World anthropologist profiling Americans, in but not of the American system. No country&#8217;s politics depends more openly on friendships than America&#8217;s, yet Obama has not a single real friend,</strong> for he rose so fast that all his acquaintances become rungs on the ladder of his ascent.<br />
One human relationship crowds the others out of his life, his marriage to Michelle, a strong, assertive and very angry woman.</p>
<p>If Novak&#8217;s report is accurate, then Michelle&#8217;s anger will have lost the election for Obama, as Achilles&#8217; anger nearly killed the Greek cause in the Trojan War. But the responsibility rests not with Michelle, but with Obama.</p>
<p>&#8220;Obama&#8217;s failure of nerve at the cusp of his success is consistent with my profile of the candidate, in which I predicted that he would self-destruct. It&#8217;s happening faster than I expected. As I wrote last February: &#8216;It is conceivable that Barack Obama, if elected, will destroy himself before he destroys the country. Hatred is a toxic diet even for someone with as strong a stomach as Obama &#8230; Both Obama and the American public should be very careful of what they wish for. As the horrible example of Obama&#8217;s father shows, there is nothing worse for an embittered outsider manipulating the system from within than to achieve his goals.&#8217; By all rights, the Democrats should win this election. They will lose, I predict, because of the flawed character of their candidate<br />
&#8212;<br />
Obama succumbed to the character weakness I described in a February 26 profile of (<a href="http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/JB26Aa01.html" rel="nofollow">Obama&#8217;s women reveal his secret</a>).<br />
His peculiar dependency on an assertive and often rancorous spouse, I argued, made him vulnerable, and predicted that Obama<br />
&#8220;will destroy himself before he destroys the country&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: oldefogey</title>
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		<dc:creator>oldefogey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 06:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK - I&#039;m not only old but kind of dense.  How does Wretchard maintain a site that allows comments but doesn&#039;t get the wingnuts that pop up everwhere else?

Even Wretch&#039;s trolls are brighter and better behaved than most.

Take a serious columnist like Michael Barone and each column is followed by cursing drivel from commenters.  

Is there some sort of screening that isn&#039;t obvious when you make a comment?  

The little hissy-fit between Roy and Life stands out because they occur so seldom.  

I have been amazed about this for a long time  but it only seemed pertinent today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK &#8211; I&#8217;m not only old but kind of dense.  How does Wretchard maintain a site that allows comments but doesn&#8217;t get the wingnuts that pop up everwhere else?</p>
<p>Even Wretch&#8217;s trolls are brighter and better behaved than most.</p>
<p>Take a serious columnist like Michael Barone and each column is followed by cursing drivel from commenters.  </p>
<p>Is there some sort of screening that isn&#8217;t obvious when you make a comment?  </p>
<p>The little hissy-fit between Roy and Life stands out because they occur so seldom.  </p>
<p>I have been amazed about this for a long time  but it only seemed pertinent today.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 06:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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