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		<title>By: Benj</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/09/05/look-back-in-nostalgia/#comment-11805</link>
		<dc:creator>Benj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Redhunter captured by the game - &quot;Anne Kilkenny&#039;s letter has been debunked.&quot; Here&#039;s factcheck&#039;s own line on that... 

&quot;Correction: In our original story, we incorrectly said that a few of the claims we examine here were included in the e-mail by Kilkenny. Only one of the claims – about the librarian&#039;s firing – was similar to an item in that e-mail. We regret the error.&quot; 

Just so we&#039;re all clear - Fact check actually quotes Kilkenny neutrally in their own account of the library incident and that account does not claim K.&#039;s account of the library incident is false, though it also offers up Palin&#039;s defense avec (confused?) talk re her &quot;rhetorical&quot; questions. I&#039;ll assume Tom missed Factcheck&#039;s correction, though, in fact, it was unnecessary to anyone who had read the letter closely. I myself sent emails out to folks who passed on those bogus lists of banned books. (BTW - Never made any claims myself on that front, nor did Kilkenny.) Hope Tom would/will bust those on his side who are spreading untruths. Got a LOT ops on that score lately as Mac campaign has been full tilt lying mode lately...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Redhunter captured by the game &#8211; &#8220;Anne Kilkenny&#8217;s letter has been debunked.&#8221; Here&#8217;s factcheck&#8217;s own line on that&#8230; </p>
<p>&#8220;Correction: In our original story, we incorrectly said that a few of the claims we examine here were included in the e-mail by Kilkenny. Only one of the claims – about the librarian&#8217;s firing – was similar to an item in that e-mail. We regret the error.&#8221; </p>
<p>Just so we&#8217;re all clear &#8211; Fact check actually quotes Kilkenny neutrally in their own account of the library incident and that account does not claim K.&#8217;s account of the library incident is false, though it also offers up Palin&#8217;s defense avec (confused?) talk re her &#8220;rhetorical&#8221; questions. I&#8217;ll assume Tom missed Factcheck&#8217;s correction, though, in fact, it was unnecessary to anyone who had read the letter closely. I myself sent emails out to folks who passed on those bogus lists of banned books. (BTW &#8211; Never made any claims myself on that front, nor did Kilkenny.) Hope Tom would/will bust those on his side who are spreading untruths. Got a LOT ops on that score lately as Mac campaign has been full tilt lying mode lately&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tom the Redhunter</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/09/05/look-back-in-nostalgia/#comment-11544</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom the Redhunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 02:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;HAve you read the now-famous Kilkenny letter?&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

yes and it&#039;s a joke. You are soooo gullible.  I&#039;ve been somewhat involved in local politics for 25 years and have seen a hundred &quot;Anne Kilkenny&quot; letters.  It&#039;s been debunked

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_palin.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;HAve you read the now-famous Kilkenny letter?&#8221;</em></p>
<p>yes and it&#8217;s a joke. You are soooo gullible.  I&#8217;ve been somewhat involved in local politics for 25 years and have seen a hundred &#8220;Anne Kilkenny&#8221; letters.  It&#8217;s been debunked</p>
<p><a href="http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_palin.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_palin.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Wadeusaf</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/09/05/look-back-in-nostalgia/#comment-11530</link>
		<dc:creator>Wadeusaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some once said extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, or something to that effect. but if folks as in the e-mailer are going to  spout off, can we not at least agree to follow a line to be sure it isn&#039;t a line of udder bs. 

That is what it is about. But with &quot;OH&quot; using dubious sources for his holy font, &quot;the what for&quot; to anoint his ascension, having a nose for bs leads to clarity. Besides which the job is vice president, not head cheerleader. For that you need teeth, a category in which Joe has a decided disadvantage, being long in the tooth also implies fewer of them. 

 Of course that is also why older folks are choosy about what they sink their teeth into. No matter how it squares up, your man is trying to bite off more than he can  chew, much less swallow. And there lies the only&quot;morally problematic&quot; aspect I see. 

I hope you have plenty of tums on hand. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some once said extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, or something to that effect. but if folks as in the e-mailer are going to  spout off, can we not at least agree to follow a line to be sure it isn&#8217;t a line of udder bs. </p>
<p>That is what it is about. But with &#8220;OH&#8221; using dubious sources for his holy font, &#8220;the what for&#8221; to anoint his ascension, having a nose for bs leads to clarity. Besides which the job is vice president, not head cheerleader. For that you need teeth, a category in which Joe has a decided disadvantage, being long in the tooth also implies fewer of them. </p>
<p> Of course that is also why older folks are choosy about what they sink their teeth into. No matter how it squares up, your man is trying to bite off more than he can  chew, much less swallow. And there lies the only&#8221;morally problematic&#8221; aspect I see. </p>
<p>I hope you have plenty of tums on hand. <img src='http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Benj</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/09/05/look-back-in-nostalgia/#comment-11504</link>
		<dc:creator>Benj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey - In re Palin&#039;s own account -  for &quot;rhetorical&quot; - she might have meant &quot;hypothetical&quot;? - but maybe the mistake there is telling. &quot;Ideological&quot; might have been the better term. Sure you&#039;re you&#039;re not barreling over a bridge to...? My guess is Storm&#039;s apology for the lady is probably closer to where it was at. He accepts her censorious side cos it didn&#039;t inpinge on private rights/property. That&#039;s all true but it don&#039;t seem very Jeffersonian to me...Just so we&#039;re all clear - watched a vid from February 08 on c-span. I thought the woman seemed pretty wining...She&#039;s &quot;smart&quot;, as that Berkeley emailer underscored. No Dan Quayle (Or Barb Boxer!). Which makes her willingness to allow herself to become a Rovian caricature - Pitbull w/ lipstick even more morally problematic?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey &#8211; In re Palin&#8217;s own account &#8211;  for &#8220;rhetorical&#8221; &#8211; she might have meant &#8220;hypothetical&#8221;? &#8211; but maybe the mistake there is telling. &#8220;Ideological&#8221; might have been the better term. Sure you&#8217;re you&#8217;re not barreling over a bridge to&#8230;? My guess is Storm&#8217;s apology for the lady is probably closer to where it was at. He accepts her censorious side cos it didn&#8217;t inpinge on private rights/property. That&#8217;s all true but it don&#8217;t seem very Jeffersonian to me&#8230;Just so we&#8217;re all clear &#8211; watched a vid from February 08 on c-span. I thought the woman seemed pretty wining&#8230;She&#8217;s &#8220;smart&#8221;, as that Berkeley emailer underscored. No Dan Quayle (Or Barb Boxer!). Which makes her willingness to allow herself to become a Rovian caricature &#8211; Pitbull w/ lipstick even more morally problematic?</p>
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		<title>By: Wadeusaf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wadeusaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 06:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it flawed to believe someone will not exaggerate or exacerbate a situation, because they tell you up front they are prone to such exaggeration or exacerbation?

Taken with a grain of salt, please, no sugar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it flawed to believe someone will not exaggerate or exacerbate a situation, because they tell you up front they are prone to such exaggeration or exacerbation?</p>
<p>Taken with a grain of salt, please, no sugar.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/09/05/look-back-in-nostalgia/#comment-11434</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 23:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The always embarassing Joe:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQVo2uHuaeg&amp;eurl=http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/09/biden_palins_apparent_extreme.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;
YouTube - Biden on Debating Gov. Palin&lt;/a&gt;

&quot;&lt;i&gt;Deadly Errious&lt;/i&gt;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The always embarassing Joe:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQVo2uHuaeg&amp;eurl=http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/09/biden_palins_apparent_extreme.html" rel="nofollow"><br />
YouTube &#8211; Biden on Debating Gov. Palin</a></p>
<p>&#8220;<i>Deadly Errious</i>&#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 21:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These attitudes, and more, define the tenor of the party leadership, and sent a message to the grassroots and media that it was 
&lt;strong&gt;&quot;Bros Before Hoes,&quot; &lt;/strong&gt;
to quote a popular Obama-supporter T-shirt.

On the day McCain announced her selection as his running mate, Palin thanked Clinton and Ferraro for blazing her trail. 

A day later, Ferraro noted her shock at Palin&#039;s comment. 
&lt;em&gt;You see, none of her peers, no one, had ever publicly thanked her in the 24 years since her historic run for the White House.&lt;/em&gt; 
&lt;strong&gt;Ferraro has since refused to divulge for whom she&#039;s voting. &lt;/strong&gt;
Many more now are realizing that it does indeed take a woman - who happens to be a Republican named Sarah Palin.
ht - al-Bob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These attitudes, and more, define the tenor of the party leadership, and sent a message to the grassroots and media that it was<br />
<strong>&#8220;Bros Before Hoes,&#8221; </strong><br />
to quote a popular Obama-supporter T-shirt.</p>
<p>On the day McCain announced her selection as his running mate, Palin thanked Clinton and Ferraro for blazing her trail. </p>
<p>A day later, Ferraro noted her shock at Palin&#8217;s comment.<br />
<em>You see, none of her peers, no one, had ever publicly thanked her in the 24 years since her historic run for the White House.</em><br />
<strong>Ferraro has since refused to divulge for whom she&#8217;s voting. </strong><br />
Many more now are realizing that it does indeed take a woman &#8211; who happens to be a Republican named Sarah Palin.<br />
ht &#8211; al-Bob</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/09/05/look-back-in-nostalgia/#comment-11422</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 21:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here’s Tony Blankley on economic foolishness: 

“Currently, the United States has the second-highest corporate tax rate of all industrial societies, after economically anemic Japan. 

The U.S. federal rate of taxation is 35 percent, and when the average state and local corporate tax rates are added, American corporations pay, on average, a 39.27 percent tax on their incomes. 

China is at 25 percent; Mexico is at 28 percent; socialist Sweden is at 28 percent; and prosperous Ireland is at a mere 12.5 percent.”

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theothersideofkim.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Other Side of Kim du Toit&lt;/a&gt;

Obama’s solution to the problem of jobs and industry going offshore is to lean toward protectionist policies (renegotiate NAFTA, oppose new free trade treaties, etc.). When one combines Obama’s plans to tighten international trade, create carbon trading regulations that will be the equivalent of a further $100 billion corporate tax, raise taxes generally on business, as well as his mind-numbingly counterproductive ‘windfall’ profit taxes on petroleum product companies… one has a formula for economic catastrophe not seen since Herbert Hoover’s similar Depression-inducing policy in 1929.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here’s Tony Blankley on economic foolishness: </p>
<p>“Currently, the United States has the second-highest corporate tax rate of all industrial societies, after economically anemic Japan. </p>
<p>The U.S. federal rate of taxation is 35 percent, and when the average state and local corporate tax rates are added, American corporations pay, on average, a 39.27 percent tax on their incomes. </p>
<p>China is at 25 percent; Mexico is at 28 percent; socialist Sweden is at 28 percent; and prosperous Ireland is at a mere 12.5 percent.”</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theothersideofkim.com/" rel="nofollow">The Other Side of Kim du Toit</a></p>
<p>Obama’s solution to the problem of jobs and industry going offshore is to lean toward protectionist policies (renegotiate NAFTA, oppose new free trade treaties, etc.). When one combines Obama’s plans to tighten international trade, create carbon trading regulations that will be the equivalent of a further $100 billion corporate tax, raise taxes generally on business, as well as his mind-numbingly counterproductive ‘windfall’ profit taxes on petroleum product companies… one has a formula for economic catastrophe not seen since Herbert Hoover’s similar Depression-inducing policy in 1929.”</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 20:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Upfront about her own biases?
She does not say she contributes to Obama from multiple addresses from other states.
Does not say she is a UC Berkeley Sociology Grad.
She does not say...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Upfront about her own biases?<br />
She does not say she contributes to Obama from multiple addresses from other states.<br />
Does not say she is a UC Berkeley Sociology Grad.<br />
She does not say&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OT:
from the last thread
slade:

The CDO concept was developed by (convicted) Michael Milken of (now-defunct) Drexel Burnham Lambert. After the securities scandal, the vehicle lay dormant until picked up by the mortgage industry around 1999/2000. I’ll let the economists pick it up from there. CSPAN aired an interview with a journalist who looked into the subject; took more than a few calls from some articulate folks who objected to placing the blame on Fannie/Freddie for exactly the reason I stated. The CDO package - courtesy of Mikey Milken - is flawed.
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In addition I heard on Rush today that HUD back in the 90’s under Andrew Cuomo mandated that freddie and fannie mae had to make loans to low income households–ie high risk households.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT:<br />
from the last thread<br />
slade:</p>
<p>The CDO concept was developed by (convicted) Michael Milken of (now-defunct) Drexel Burnham Lambert. After the securities scandal, the vehicle lay dormant until picked up by the mortgage industry around 1999/2000. I’ll let the economists pick it up from there. CSPAN aired an interview with a journalist who looked into the subject; took more than a few calls from some articulate folks who objected to placing the blame on Fannie/Freddie for exactly the reason I stated. The CDO package &#8211; courtesy of Mikey Milken &#8211; is flawed.<br />
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In addition I heard on Rush today that HUD back in the 90’s under Andrew Cuomo mandated that freddie and fannie mae had to make loans to low income households–ie high risk households.</p>
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