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		<title>By: NahnCee</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/09/02/not-the-medium-but-the-message/#comment-11192</link>
		<dc:creator>NahnCee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 23:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Saudi Arabia has also banned kittens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Saudi Arabia has also banned kittens.</p>
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		<title>By: NahnCee</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/09/02/not-the-medium-but-the-message/#comment-11191</link>
		<dc:creator>NahnCee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 23:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... and they hate puppies ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; and they hate puppies &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Fletcher Christian</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/09/02/not-the-medium-but-the-message/#comment-11120</link>
		<dc:creator>Fletcher Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 07:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Teresita, one more thing:

Being black is not a matter of choice. The jury is still out as to whether being gay is. But one thing is for certain; your religion is a matter of choice, both individually and as a society.

And therefore if you willingly (and even proudly) allow yourself to be identified as a member of a group that not only allows, but encourages as a core part of its ideology, murder, rape, paedophilia, slavery and never-ending war; then you deserve censure and prejudice against you. Hence the hatred and contempt many right-thinking people have for Muslims. Every single one of them has a choice, and they choose to associate with murderers and rapists. They should be treated as the accessories after (and before) the fact that they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teresita, one more thing:</p>
<p>Being black is not a matter of choice. The jury is still out as to whether being gay is. But one thing is for certain; your religion is a matter of choice, both individually and as a society.</p>
<p>And therefore if you willingly (and even proudly) allow yourself to be identified as a member of a group that not only allows, but encourages as a core part of its ideology, murder, rape, paedophilia, slavery and never-ending war; then you deserve censure and prejudice against you. Hence the hatred and contempt many right-thinking people have for Muslims. Every single one of them has a choice, and they choose to associate with murderers and rapists. They should be treated as the accessories after (and before) the fact that they are.</p>
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		<title>By: NahnCee</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/09/02/not-the-medium-but-the-message/#comment-10961</link>
		<dc:creator>NahnCee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 16:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fletcher - here in LA, the cops refer to it as being a &quot;self-cleaning oven&quot;.  I like that concept.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fletcher &#8211; here in LA, the cops refer to it as being a &#8220;self-cleaning oven&#8221;.  I like that concept.</p>
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		<title>By: Fletcher Christian</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/09/02/not-the-medium-but-the-message/#comment-10914</link>
		<dc:creator>Fletcher Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 10:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NahnCee; it appears that you agree with me at least partially, on this issue at least. I disagree with you on one issue. I don&#039;t care in the least how much rape, pillage, mutilation, slavery and gruesome painful death Muslims inflict on each other, at least other than an example of how vile they are. I do care how much they inflict on decent people.

It&#039;s rather like my attitude to drug dealers shooting each other; the more the merrier. The trouble is with decent people getting caught in the crossfire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NahnCee; it appears that you agree with me at least partially, on this issue at least. I disagree with you on one issue. I don&#8217;t care in the least how much rape, pillage, mutilation, slavery and gruesome painful death Muslims inflict on each other, at least other than an example of how vile they are. I do care how much they inflict on decent people.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s rather like my attitude to drug dealers shooting each other; the more the merrier. The trouble is with decent people getting caught in the crossfire.</p>
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		<title>By: NahnCee</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/09/02/not-the-medium-but-the-message/#comment-10892</link>
		<dc:creator>NahnCee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 04:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Stick to attacks based on people doing something.&quot;

Oh, you mean marrying child brides?

Or perhaps you mean female genital mutilation?  Little girls held down by their mothers and grandmothers and forceably castrated without anesthetic, their clitoris gouged out because some ancient cretin with a long beard demands it in the name of their barbaric religion.

How are we supposed to feel about people who hack off the heads of Christian school girls?  Is that an attackable offense?

Or maybe we&#039;re allowed to attack people who do honor killings and then defend them?  Or who use gang rapes as sentencing mechanisms?

No?  How about people whose religion commands them not to be friends with or touch other people who are not that same religion?  Can we condemn them?  At least look askance at them?

And, if you won&#039;t let us despise people who follow a religion that torments, tortures, keeps in poverty and ignorance their fellow human beings, can we at least frown upon them because they hate puppies?  I know that we&#039;re not allowed to think there&#039;s something abominable about them just because they killed 3,000 innocent Americans -- let alone all the raping, pillaging, plundering and mutilation they do to each other across the world -- but surely ... puppies?!?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Stick to attacks based on people doing something.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh, you mean marrying child brides?</p>
<p>Or perhaps you mean female genital mutilation?  Little girls held down by their mothers and grandmothers and forceably castrated without anesthetic, their clitoris gouged out because some ancient cretin with a long beard demands it in the name of their barbaric religion.</p>
<p>How are we supposed to feel about people who hack off the heads of Christian school girls?  Is that an attackable offense?</p>
<p>Or maybe we&#8217;re allowed to attack people who do honor killings and then defend them?  Or who use gang rapes as sentencing mechanisms?</p>
<p>No?  How about people whose religion commands them not to be friends with or touch other people who are not that same religion?  Can we condemn them?  At least look askance at them?</p>
<p>And, if you won&#8217;t let us despise people who follow a religion that torments, tortures, keeps in poverty and ignorance their fellow human beings, can we at least frown upon them because they hate puppies?  I know that we&#8217;re not allowed to think there&#8217;s something abominable about them just because they killed 3,000 innocent Americans &#8212; let alone all the raping, pillaging, plundering and mutilation they do to each other across the world &#8212; but surely &#8230; puppies?!?</p>
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		<title>By: buddy larsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>buddy larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 03:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Teresita, you go, girl --
:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teresita, you go, girl &#8211;<br />
 <img src='http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Teresita</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/09/02/not-the-medium-but-the-message/#comment-10874</link>
		<dc:creator>Teresita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 01:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fletcher: &lt;b&gt;THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN INNOCENT MUSLIM.&lt;/b&gt;

Bolshevik.  When you attack people for simply &lt;i&gt;being&lt;/i&gt; something (black, gay, muslim) you are a bigot.  Stick to attacks based on people &lt;i&gt;doing&lt;/i&gt; something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fletcher: <b>THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN INNOCENT MUSLIM.</b></p>
<p>Bolshevik.  When you attack people for simply <i>being</i> something (black, gay, muslim) you are a bigot.  Stick to attacks based on people <i>doing</i> something.</p>
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		<title>By: Fletcher Christian</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/09/02/not-the-medium-but-the-message/#comment-10837</link>
		<dc:creator>Fletcher Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 18:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eggplant, your comment was probably right, except for one small thing:

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN INNOCENT MUSLIM.

&quot;Moderate Islam&quot; is semantically equal to &quot;Islam that hasn&#039;t won yet&quot;. Atrocities are committed every day, dozens of them, all over the world, and it&#039;s not only Arabs committing them; it&#039;s Muslims from all sorts of ethnic backgrounds - for example Muslim violence is endemic in the Phillipines and Indonesia.

Islam is utterly, completely and unalterably opposed to anything decent; barring only such large changes in Islam as to make it unrecognisable. What ought to have been said after 9/11 and still might not be too late to say now:

&quot;We consider one of our buildings to be as valuable as one of your cities. We don&#039;t care what you think, only what you do. The next time you do something like that, the Dar-al-Islam will lose a city. And the next time after that, and so on until you run out of cities or you stop.&quot;

And when they do in fact repeat 9/11 - as they will? Fulfil the threat. Do that, and the West might not have to kill them all. We have been at war for thirteen hundred years; that&#039;s long enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eggplant, your comment was probably right, except for one small thing:</p>
<p>THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN INNOCENT MUSLIM.</p>
<p>&#8220;Moderate Islam&#8221; is semantically equal to &#8220;Islam that hasn&#8217;t won yet&#8221;. Atrocities are committed every day, dozens of them, all over the world, and it&#8217;s not only Arabs committing them; it&#8217;s Muslims from all sorts of ethnic backgrounds &#8211; for example Muslim violence is endemic in the Phillipines and Indonesia.</p>
<p>Islam is utterly, completely and unalterably opposed to anything decent; barring only such large changes in Islam as to make it unrecognisable. What ought to have been said after 9/11 and still might not be too late to say now:</p>
<p>&#8220;We consider one of our buildings to be as valuable as one of your cities. We don&#8217;t care what you think, only what you do. The next time you do something like that, the Dar-al-Islam will lose a city. And the next time after that, and so on until you run out of cities or you stop.&#8221;</p>
<p>And when they do in fact repeat 9/11 &#8211; as they will? Fulfil the threat. Do that, and the West might not have to kill them all. We have been at war for thirteen hundred years; that&#8217;s long enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Cannoneer No. 4</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cannoneer No. 4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 12:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE:  My Sep 3, 2008 - 4:50 pm above

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htiw/articles/20080904.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Voice Mail As A Weapon&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE:  My Sep 3, 2008 &#8211; 4:50 pm above</p>
<p><a href="http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htiw/articles/20080904.aspx" rel="nofollow">Voice Mail As A Weapon</a></p>
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