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		<title>By: Cannoneer No. 4</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/07/29/the-wrong-place/#comment-2945</link>
		<dc:creator>Cannoneer No. 4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 02:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=13621&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Endless War&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;i&gt;The Durrani tribal federation of Pushtuns has been dominant since the 1700s, well before the British arrived. President Hamid Karzai is from the Popolzai clan of Durrani, whose two other main clans are the Barakzai and Alikojai. These three groups were favored for leadership by NATO after the Taliban were routed. Naturally, all the non-Durranis have resented the situation and the Western sponsors ever since; thus providing a convenient and ready supply of dissident fighters, with and without Taliban connections.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=13621" rel="nofollow">The Endless War</a></p>
<p><i>The Durrani tribal federation of Pushtuns has been dominant since the 1700s, well before the British arrived. President Hamid Karzai is from the Popolzai clan of Durrani, whose two other main clans are the Barakzai and Alikojai. These three groups were favored for leadership by NATO after the Taliban were routed. Naturally, all the non-Durranis have resented the situation and the Western sponsors ever since; thus providing a convenient and ready supply of dissident fighters, with and without Taliban connections.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Daily Pundit &#187; Oh, We Don&#8217;t Question Those Assertions</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/07/29/the-wrong-place/#comment-2862</link>
		<dc:creator>Daily Pundit &#187; Oh, We Don&#8217;t Question Those Assertions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Belmont Club » The wrong place Two assertions about Iraq ought to be challenged or at least examined more closely. The first is the idea that security improvements in Iraq and al-Qaeda’s defeat had little if anything to do with the US effort. The second is the assertion that the “real” strategic center of gravity always should have been Afghanistan, because the proper object of the War is to “get bin Laden”. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Belmont Club » The wrong place Two assertions about Iraq ought to be challenged or at least examined more closely. The first is the idea that security improvements in Iraq and al-Qaeda’s defeat had little if anything to do with the US effort. The second is the assertion that the “real” strategic center of gravity always should have been Afghanistan, because the proper object of the War is to “get bin Laden”. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Old Blue</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/07/29/the-wrong-place/#comment-2857</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I strongly agree with the idea that American soldiers in these swamps are very good role models, and something both Muslim adults and their children learn to aspire to be. I don’t agree, however, in lopping off 50% of the role model potential because someone thinks it may be the polite thing to do.&quot; -- NahnCee 

Just responding to your comment about soldiers/role models/lopping off potential.  

I sincerely apologize for any lamps, knick-knacks, assorted crockery, or other collectible items damaged or destroyed by my flailing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I strongly agree with the idea that American soldiers in these swamps are very good role models, and something both Muslim adults and their children learn to aspire to be. I don’t agree, however, in lopping off 50% of the role model potential because someone thinks it may be the polite thing to do.&#8221; &#8212; NahnCee </p>
<p>Just responding to your comment about soldiers/role models/lopping off potential.  </p>
<p>I sincerely apologize for any lamps, knick-knacks, assorted crockery, or other collectible items damaged or destroyed by my flailing.</p>
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		<title>By: NahnCee</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/07/29/the-wrong-place/#comment-2852</link>
		<dc:creator>NahnCee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose it&#039;s too soon for an American soldier to sue a village elder for sexual harassment.  Bankrupt the damned country even worser than it already is.

P.S.  I know that 50% of soldiers aren&#039;t female, Blue.  You&#039;re flailing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose it&#8217;s too soon for an American soldier to sue a village elder for sexual harassment.  Bankrupt the damned country even worser than it already is.</p>
<p>P.S.  I know that 50% of soldiers aren&#8217;t female, Blue.  You&#8217;re flailing.</p>
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		<title>By: Toward A Better Debate &#171; Strange Monkey Doll</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/07/29/the-wrong-place/#comment-2846</link>
		<dc:creator>Toward A Better Debate &#171; Strange Monkey Doll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] my reader(ship) to another couple of posts by my ideal blogger, Richard Fernandez (aka Wretchard): The Wrong Place and  Should Cops or Generals Spearhead the War on Terror?. This kind of discussion is where my [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] my reader(ship) to another couple of posts by my ideal blogger, Richard Fernandez (aka Wretchard): The Wrong Place and  Should Cops or Generals Spearhead the War on Terror?. This kind of discussion is where my [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Old Blue</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/07/29/the-wrong-place/#comment-2843</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Utopia: In southern Kapisa Province, the Taliban had to locals convinced that our ballistic eyewear (I&#039;d like to thank the good people at WileyX for sponsoring my tour) enabled us to see through their clothes.  

There is a time and a place for teaching moments, and you must choose your subjects carefully.  You must also establish the enabling learning objectives that open the door to learing those other points.  

That time was not the time, nor was it the place.  What happened was that a squad leader and his female soldiers were so self-centered that they forgot that other people may not share their advanced sensibilities.  My point to the female and the squad leader is this:  

&quot;It&#039;s not about YOU.  It&#039;s about THEM.&quot;  

Time and patience.  As Canoneer pointed out, they have more fish to fry.  Do not try to teach a man gender equality before you get him to stop buggering the livestock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Utopia: In southern Kapisa Province, the Taliban had to locals convinced that our ballistic eyewear (I&#8217;d like to thank the good people at WileyX for sponsoring my tour) enabled us to see through their clothes.  </p>
<p>There is a time and a place for teaching moments, and you must choose your subjects carefully.  You must also establish the enabling learning objectives that open the door to learing those other points.  </p>
<p>That time was not the time, nor was it the place.  What happened was that a squad leader and his female soldiers were so self-centered that they forgot that other people may not share their advanced sensibilities.  My point to the female and the squad leader is this:  </p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s not about YOU.  It&#8217;s about THEM.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Time and patience.  As Canoneer pointed out, they have more fish to fry.  Do not try to teach a man gender equality before you get him to stop buggering the livestock.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Blue</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/07/29/the-wrong-place/#comment-2842</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NahnCee, far less than 50% of our military is female, and most females don&#039;t leave &quot;the wire.&quot;  They hold jobs that don&#039;t require it.  

Ash, I agree that the military is doing some things that we are not necessarily the best suited for; but we get shot at sometimes and they send very few people downrange who are not soldiers to be shot at.  It happens, but it is a tiny number.  

Oh, NahnCee... to vote for a candidate simply to piss off Afghan peasants isn&#039;t what I would call the best decision-making process, but hey; it&#039;s your vote.  

The governor of Bamyan Province, Afghanistan, is a woman.  In one of the more remote areas of Afghanistan, one of the Provincial Council members with a fair amount of clout was a woman.  In Kapisa Province, one of the international community representatives was a Polish female.  She did not wear a burqa, but she covered her head (not her face) with a scarf in the manner of Muslim women to respect their culture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NahnCee, far less than 50% of our military is female, and most females don&#8217;t leave &#8220;the wire.&#8221;  They hold jobs that don&#8217;t require it.  </p>
<p>Ash, I agree that the military is doing some things that we are not necessarily the best suited for; but we get shot at sometimes and they send very few people downrange who are not soldiers to be shot at.  It happens, but it is a tiny number.  </p>
<p>Oh, NahnCee&#8230; to vote for a candidate simply to piss off Afghan peasants isn&#8217;t what I would call the best decision-making process, but hey; it&#8217;s your vote.  </p>
<p>The governor of Bamyan Province, Afghanistan, is a woman.  In one of the more remote areas of Afghanistan, one of the Provincial Council members with a fair amount of clout was a woman.  In Kapisa Province, one of the international community representatives was a Polish female.  She did not wear a burqa, but she covered her head (not her face) with a scarf in the manner of Muslim women to respect their culture.</p>
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		<title>By: Utopia Parkway</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/07/29/the-wrong-place/#comment-2841</link>
		<dc:creator>Utopia Parkway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not saying we need to be deliberately provocative (most of the time) but being wanded by a female soldier was a teaching moment. It was an opportunity to let them know what the wand is for and what it does. 

Wand an American. Find that the knife in his pocket sets off the wand. Let them understand that wanding everyone is for their own protection too. No one wants someone with a bomb to come into a meeting with them. These guys may be ignorant but that doesn&#039;t mean they&#039;re stupid. They can learn.

The woman doing the wanding is a secondary issue.

I gotta say that many Muslims seem like cats getting their temperature taken at the vet&#039;s office. They don&#039;t understand what&#039;s going on and they know that they don&#039;t like it. Their reaction is often violent. Every Muslim pronouncement seems to contain the terms humiliation and revenge.

Yes, it will be a while before Afghanistan comes into the modern world. Time to start moving is now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not saying we need to be deliberately provocative (most of the time) but being wanded by a female soldier was a teaching moment. It was an opportunity to let them know what the wand is for and what it does. </p>
<p>Wand an American. Find that the knife in his pocket sets off the wand. Let them understand that wanding everyone is for their own protection too. No one wants someone with a bomb to come into a meeting with them. These guys may be ignorant but that doesn&#8217;t mean they&#8217;re stupid. They can learn.</p>
<p>The woman doing the wanding is a secondary issue.</p>
<p>I gotta say that many Muslims seem like cats getting their temperature taken at the vet&#8217;s office. They don&#8217;t understand what&#8217;s going on and they know that they don&#8217;t like it. Their reaction is often violent. Every Muslim pronouncement seems to contain the terms humiliation and revenge.</p>
<p>Yes, it will be a while before Afghanistan comes into the modern world. Time to start moving is now.</p>
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		<title>By: Cannoneer No. 4</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/07/29/the-wrong-place/#comment-2836</link>
		<dc:creator>Cannoneer No. 4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The historical analogies between the Pashtuns and the Apaches and Sioux are interesting to a history buff like me.

Compare and contrast 9/11 to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.americanheritage.com/articles/magazine/ah/1962/3/1962_3_8.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Minnesota Massacre&lt;/a&gt;.

Is Mullah Omar anything like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pbs.org/weta/thewest/people/i_r/redcloud.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Red Cloud?&lt;/a&gt;  Might a Crow have similar opinions about Lakota domination as Tajiks had about Pashtun Taliban domination?

And how much like &lt;a href=&quot;http://visitmt.com/history/Montana_the_Magazine_of_Western_History/Winter02/medicineline.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Medicine Line&lt;/a&gt; is the Durand Line?

Will some 21st-Century &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1743743/posts&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;General Crook&lt;/a&gt; go across the line and talk Baitullah Mehsud in to coming in?

The Taliban is 90% Pashtun.  Pashtun culture is under stress comparable to the small pox, the extinction of the buffalo, and disasterous wars.  They can assimulate or they can stay on the Rez but the old ways are dying fast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The historical analogies between the Pashtuns and the Apaches and Sioux are interesting to a history buff like me.</p>
<p>Compare and contrast 9/11 to the <a href="http://www.americanheritage.com/articles/magazine/ah/1962/3/1962_3_8.shtml" rel="nofollow">Minnesota Massacre</a>.</p>
<p>Is Mullah Omar anything like <a href="http://www.pbs.org/weta/thewest/people/i_r/redcloud.htm" rel="nofollow">Red Cloud?</a>  Might a Crow have similar opinions about Lakota domination as Tajiks had about Pashtun Taliban domination?</p>
<p>And how much like <a href="http://visitmt.com/history/Montana_the_Magazine_of_Western_History/Winter02/medicineline.htm" rel="nofollow">The Medicine Line</a> is the Durand Line?</p>
<p>Will some 21st-Century <a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1743743/posts" rel="nofollow">General Crook</a> go across the line and talk Baitullah Mehsud in to coming in?</p>
<p>The Taliban is 90% Pashtun.  Pashtun culture is under stress comparable to the small pox, the extinction of the buffalo, and disasterous wars.  They can assimulate or they can stay on the Rez but the old ways are dying fast.</p>
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		<title>By: Chip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t believe I&#039;m going to say this.  But, if you want to know the basics about Saudi Arabia, watch The Kingdom with Jamie Foxx and the Alias chick... hurt boxer movie... from West Virginia...  I can see her face.  I hate that.  My wife to the rescue: Jennifer Garner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe I&#8217;m going to say this.  But, if you want to know the basics about Saudi Arabia, watch The Kingdom with Jamie Foxx and the Alias chick&#8230; hurt boxer movie&#8230; from West Virginia&#8230;  I can see her face.  I hate that.  My wife to the rescue: Jennifer Garner.</p>
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