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		<title>By: jj mollo</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/07/24/the-seen-and-the-unseen/#comment-3098</link>
		<dc:creator>jj mollo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 05:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember reading a reporter&#039;s account of meeting OBL at around that time.  His description was to the contrary.  When OBL discovered that the reporter was an American, he wanted to have him killed immediately. Only the reporter&#039;s host prevented this from happening.

I don&#039;t remember the reporter&#039;s name, but I think it was in a major magazine or newspaper, like &lt;i&gt;Parade&lt;/i&gt;, perhaps.  It could have been misinterpretation of post facto reinterpretation, but it had the ring of truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember reading a reporter&#8217;s account of meeting OBL at around that time.  His description was to the contrary.  When OBL discovered that the reporter was an American, he wanted to have him killed immediately. Only the reporter&#8217;s host prevented this from happening.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t remember the reporter&#8217;s name, but I think it was in a major magazine or newspaper, like <i>Parade</i>, perhaps.  It could have been misinterpretation of post facto reinterpretation, but it had the ring of truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Fresh Bilge &#187; Al Qaeda Context</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fresh Bilge &#187; Al Qaeda Context</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 10:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Is it any wonder that such a diseased culture has spawned Al Qaeda? Richard Fernandez ponders how the terrorist organization has changed during its violent interaction with the West, and how it may go back underground to continue its [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Is it any wonder that such a diseased culture has spawned Al Qaeda? Richard Fernandez ponders how the terrorist organization has changed during its violent interaction with the West, and how it may go back underground to continue its [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Wadeusaf</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/07/24/the-seen-and-the-unseen/#comment-2638</link>
		<dc:creator>Wadeusaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.pjsage.com/Part_II_Foreign_Fighter_recruitment.pdf
also by Clinton Watts

 http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/crt/2007/104112.htm  on Saudi efforts

 http://islamicterrorism.wordpress.com/category/saudi-arabia/  India&#039;s concersn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.pjsage.com/Part_II_Foreign_Fighter_recruitment.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.pjsage.com/Part_II_Foreign_Fighter_recruitment.pdf</a><br />
also by Clinton Watts</p>
<p> <a href="http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/crt/2007/104112.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/crt/2007/104112.htm</a>  on Saudi efforts</p>
<p> <a href="http://islamicterrorism.wordpress.com/category/saudi-arabia/" rel="nofollow">http://islamicterrorism.wordpress.com/category/saudi-arabia/</a>  India&#8217;s concersn</p>
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		<title>By: Wadeusaf</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/07/24/the-seen-and-the-unseen/#comment-2635</link>
		<dc:creator>Wadeusaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where it appears I have already said that the links don&#039;t appear to have made it through the filters.

&lt;b&gt;the recruitment program&lt;/b&gt; = http://www.pjsage.com/Part_II_Foreign_Fighter_recruitment.pdf
also by Clinton Watts

&lt;b&gt;rehabiitate former fighters&lt;/b&gt; = http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/crt/2007/104112.htm

&lt;b&gt;Sprouting Wings&lt;/b&gt; = http://islamicterrorism.wordpress.com/category/saudi-arabia/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where it appears I have already said that the links don&#8217;t appear to have made it through the filters.</p>
<p><b>the recruitment program</b> = <a href="http://www.pjsage.com/Part_II_Foreign_Fighter_recruitment.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.pjsage.com/Part_II_Foreign_Fighter_recruitment.pdf</a><br />
also by Clinton Watts</p>
<p><b>rehabiitate former fighters</b> = <a href="http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/crt/2007/104112.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/crt/2007/104112.htm</a></p>
<p><b>Sprouting Wings</b> = <a href="http://islamicterrorism.wordpress.com/category/saudi-arabia/" rel="nofollow">http://islamicterrorism.wordpress.com/category/saudi-arabia/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Wadeusaf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wadeusaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where

&lt;b&gt;the recruitment program&lt;/b&gt; = http://www.pjsage.com/Part_II_Foreign_Fighter_recruitment.pdf
also by Clinton Watts

&lt;b&gt;rehabiitate former fighters&lt;/b&gt; = http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/crt/2007/104112.htm

&lt;b&gt;Sprouting Wings&lt;/b&gt; = http://islamicterrorism.wordpress.com/category/saudi-arabia/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where</p>
<p><b>the recruitment program</b> = <a href="http://www.pjsage.com/Part_II_Foreign_Fighter_recruitment.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.pjsage.com/Part_II_Foreign_Fighter_recruitment.pdf</a><br />
also by Clinton Watts</p>
<p><b>rehabiitate former fighters</b> = <a href="http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/crt/2007/104112.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/crt/2007/104112.htm</a></p>
<p><b>Sprouting Wings</b> = <a href="http://islamicterrorism.wordpress.com/category/saudi-arabia/" rel="nofollow">http://islamicterrorism.wordpress.com/category/saudi-arabia/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Wadeusaf</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/07/24/the-seen-and-the-unseen/#comment-2633</link>
		<dc:creator>Wadeusaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wretchard, 

It is curious how &lt;a&gt;&lt;b&gt;the recruitment program&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; can be juxtaposed against Saudi efforts to &lt;b&gt;rehabilitate former fighters&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; using a &quot;softly, softly&quot; approach. 

From what I gather from Watts and others, the presence of unrepentant former fighters is the best recruiting tool, and in the lack of former foreign fighters is huge incentive to consider other options. That is a stark statement.

Meanwhile Islamist terror &lt;a&gt;&lt;b&gt;is sprouting wings&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; in other places.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wretchard, </p>
<p>It is curious how <a><b>the recruitment program</b></a> can be juxtaposed against Saudi efforts to <b>rehabilitate former fighters</b> using a &#8220;softly, softly&#8221; approach. </p>
<p>From what I gather from Watts and others, the presence of unrepentant former fighters is the best recruiting tool, and in the lack of former foreign fighters is huge incentive to consider other options. That is a stark statement.</p>
<p>Meanwhile Islamist terror <a><b>is sprouting wings</b></a> in other places.</p>
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		<title>By: Zenster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zenster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 04:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Teresita&lt;/b&gt;: &lt;i&gt;In real life things are gray, not black and white.&lt;/i&gt;

Thank you so much for finally making clear your inability to distinguish between fantasy and reality. This is especially the case, seeing as how you are a woman.

One question:

&lt;B&gt;WHEN IS RAPE RIGHT?&lt;/B&gt;

Go ahead, answer the question. I don&#039;t just dare you, I will base the continuing credibility of all other comments you ever post at the Belmont Club upon your response to this inquiry.

&lt;b&gt;WHEN IS RAPE RIGHT?&lt;/B&gt;

Ergo:

&lt;b&gt;IS THERE NO &quot;BLACK AND WHITE&quot;?&lt;/b&gt;

&lt;b&gt;IS THERE NO EVIL?&lt;/b&gt;

Any lack of response on your part will be interpreted as agreement that there is no evil or any sort of wrong. You have contaminated this site with enough of your offensive &quot;alternative&quot; viewpoints to where it is time for you to put-up or shut-up. Go ahead, please tell me when rape is right.

I can provide you with a comprehensive logical refutation for any argument on the subject, but I&#039;ll await your answer first.

Remember, No Answer = No Respect. And I hope others here at The Belmont Club will agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Teresita</b>: <i>In real life things are gray, not black and white.</i></p>
<p>Thank you so much for finally making clear your inability to distinguish between fantasy and reality. This is especially the case, seeing as how you are a woman.</p>
<p>One question:</p>
<p><b>WHEN IS RAPE RIGHT?</b></p>
<p>Go ahead, answer the question. I don&#8217;t just dare you, I will base the continuing credibility of all other comments you ever post at the Belmont Club upon your response to this inquiry.</p>
<p><b>WHEN IS RAPE RIGHT?</b></p>
<p>Ergo:</p>
<p><b>IS THERE NO &#8220;BLACK AND WHITE&#8221;?</b></p>
<p><b>IS THERE NO EVIL?</b></p>
<p>Any lack of response on your part will be interpreted as agreement that there is no evil or any sort of wrong. You have contaminated this site with enough of your offensive &#8220;alternative&#8221; viewpoints to where it is time for you to put-up or shut-up. Go ahead, please tell me when rape is right.</p>
<p>I can provide you with a comprehensive logical refutation for any argument on the subject, but I&#8217;ll await your answer first.</p>
<p>Remember, No Answer = No Respect. And I hope others here at The Belmont Club will agree.</p>
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		<title>By: Zenster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zenster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Ben Franklen&lt;/b&gt;: &lt;i&gt;A rational person will never be able to understand the appeal of Islam when all it has ever wrought is slavery, suffering and destruction to any land where it has been ascendant. I have said before that if we can figure out what is missing in the hearts and minds of people on the left, or who are adherents of other, similar barbaric death cults not founded by Marx that makes them embrace totalitarianism then we will be well on the way to solving the problem. You see it writ small in such things as trans-fat, dancing or smoking bans and writ large in environmentalism, Islamism or communism but the base desire to control the actions of others when they are no threat to you is a strong one in the human psyche. It is so strong that we will make up entire religions or “scientific” fields of study whose sole purpose is to appease this instinct.

Since no one has cracked this nut yet we have a handy short-hand way of referring to such a propensity… we simply call it “evil”.&lt;/i&gt;

Outstanding post, every letter and dot of it. Please contribute more often. May I post the above quotation elsewhere? (With attribution, of course.) It really sums up the inhuman bonds between Leftism and their (erstwhile), pet Muslims. Lacking any better understanding of the two, we are most certainly better off knowing that they must be called &quot;evil&quot;. The inability to do so is leading our world to the precipice of another World War and bringing America to the brink of a new  Civil War.

&lt;a href=&#039;http://trifkovic.mysite.com/article_7.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Srdja Trifkovic&lt;/a&gt; has also identified the mysterious inability of modern Western leaders to clearly label this ongoing assault upon civilization:

&lt;i&gt;The elite class has every intention of continuing to “fight” the war on terrorism without naming the enemy, without revealing his beliefs, without unmasking his intentions, without offending his accomplices, without expelling his fifth columnists, and without ever daring to win. Their crime can and must be stopped. The founders of the United States overthrew the colonial government for offenses far lighter than those of which the traitor class is guilty.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Ben Franklen</b>: <i>A rational person will never be able to understand the appeal of Islam when all it has ever wrought is slavery, suffering and destruction to any land where it has been ascendant. I have said before that if we can figure out what is missing in the hearts and minds of people on the left, or who are adherents of other, similar barbaric death cults not founded by Marx that makes them embrace totalitarianism then we will be well on the way to solving the problem. You see it writ small in such things as trans-fat, dancing or smoking bans and writ large in environmentalism, Islamism or communism but the base desire to control the actions of others when they are no threat to you is a strong one in the human psyche. It is so strong that we will make up entire religions or “scientific” fields of study whose sole purpose is to appease this instinct.</p>
<p>Since no one has cracked this nut yet we have a handy short-hand way of referring to such a propensity… we simply call it “evil”.</i></p>
<p>Outstanding post, every letter and dot of it. Please contribute more often. May I post the above quotation elsewhere? (With attribution, of course.) It really sums up the inhuman bonds between Leftism and their (erstwhile), pet Muslims. Lacking any better understanding of the two, we are most certainly better off knowing that they must be called &#8220;evil&#8221;. The inability to do so is leading our world to the precipice of another World War and bringing America to the brink of a new  Civil War.</p>
<p><a href='http://trifkovic.mysite.com/article_7.html' rel="nofollow">Srdja Trifkovic</a> has also identified the mysterious inability of modern Western leaders to clearly label this ongoing assault upon civilization:</p>
<p><i>The elite class has every intention of continuing to “fight” the war on terrorism without naming the enemy, without revealing his beliefs, without unmasking his intentions, without offending his accomplices, without expelling his fifth columnists, and without ever daring to win. Their crime can and must be stopped. The founders of the United States overthrew the colonial government for offenses far lighter than those of which the traitor class is guilty.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Wadeusaf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wadeusaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Surge, as I understand it, had goals expressed in political, military and security aspects. In that it took the offensive it defended the population.

 First it was to secure territory. Second it was to secure the cooperation of the people living in that territory, third it was to introduce the population of that territory to a competent straight shooting and non-sectarian Iraqi Army and police units (with whom the US are imbedded) so they understand at a basic level that this is not Saddam&#039;s army and these are not Sadr&#039;s policemen. 

Once that basic understanding is accomplished, the work of cleaning up the bad guys and building the political bridges necessary to reconciliation can begin. 

 I am curious what the demographic picture will look like in November of 2008, with the return of refugees and properties to rightful owners. I am curious what effect the integrated Iraqi army will have on the map. I am curious what efforts to mend tribal ties of marriage and hope will have on the Sunni and Shi&#039;ah as a whole. 

 I wonder how long it will take to retreat from the schism that really was not so much of a Sunni-Shi&#039;ah thing, but more of a Saddam, anti Saddam perception. Is is fast becoming a WIN-WIN-WIN situation for all involved in the process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Surge, as I understand it, had goals expressed in political, military and security aspects. In that it took the offensive it defended the population.</p>
<p> First it was to secure territory. Second it was to secure the cooperation of the people living in that territory, third it was to introduce the population of that territory to a competent straight shooting and non-sectarian Iraqi Army and police units (with whom the US are imbedded) so they understand at a basic level that this is not Saddam&#8217;s army and these are not Sadr&#8217;s policemen. </p>
<p>Once that basic understanding is accomplished, the work of cleaning up the bad guys and building the political bridges necessary to reconciliation can begin. </p>
<p> I am curious what the demographic picture will look like in November of 2008, with the return of refugees and properties to rightful owners. I am curious what effect the integrated Iraqi army will have on the map. I am curious what efforts to mend tribal ties of marriage and hope will have on the Sunni and Shi&#8217;ah as a whole. </p>
<p> I wonder how long it will take to retreat from the schism that really was not so much of a Sunni-Shi&#8217;ah thing, but more of a Saddam, anti Saddam perception. Is is fast becoming a WIN-WIN-WIN situation for all involved in the process.</p>
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		<title>By: sirius_sir</title>
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		<dc:creator>sirius_sir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mark_b you are right. The strategy had more to do with getting our troopers immersed with the local population to secure first their safety and thereafter their loyalty and cooperation. It also helped to emphasize our commitment to winning.

&lt;i&gt;As the war lasts, the war itself becomes the central issue, and the ideological advantage of the insurgent decreases considerably. The population’s attitude is dictated not by the intrinsic merits of the contending causes, but by the answer to these two simple questions: Which side is going to win? Which side threatens the most, and which offers the most protection?&lt;/i&gt; David Galula &quot;From Algeria to Iraq, All But Forgotten Lessons from Nearly 50 Years Ago&quot;

http://www.rand.org/publications/randreview/issues/summer2006/algeria.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mark_b you are right. The strategy had more to do with getting our troopers immersed with the local population to secure first their safety and thereafter their loyalty and cooperation. It also helped to emphasize our commitment to winning.</p>
<p><i>As the war lasts, the war itself becomes the central issue, and the ideological advantage of the insurgent decreases considerably. The population’s attitude is dictated not by the intrinsic merits of the contending causes, but by the answer to these two simple questions: Which side is going to win? Which side threatens the most, and which offers the most protection?</i> David Galula &#8220;From Algeria to Iraq, All But Forgotten Lessons from Nearly 50 Years Ago&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rand.org/publications/randreview/issues/summer2006/algeria.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.rand.org/publications/randreview/issues/summer2006/algeria.html</a></p>
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