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		<title>By: Zenster</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/07/13/dont-bother-theyre-here/#comment-2046</link>
		<dc:creator>Zenster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Jay&lt;/b&gt;: &lt;i&gt;So I ask the bloggers here: who will conquer the US?&lt;/i&gt;

I can only offer up the closing paragraphs of Abraham Lincoln speaking about &quot;The Perpetuation of Our Political Institutions&quot; in his
Address Before the Young Men&#039;s Lyceum of Springfield, llinois on January 27, 1838. Few American politicians have ever delivered unto its people such enduring and prescient vision.

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Their&#039;s was the task (and nobly they performed it) to possess themselves, and through themselves, us, of this goodly land; and to uprear upon its hills and its valleys, a political edifice of liberty and equal rights; &#039;tis ours only, to transmit these, the former, unprofaned by the foot of an invader; the latter, undecayed by the lapse of time and untorn by usurpation, to the latest generation that fate shall permit the world to know. This task of gratitude to our fathers, justice to ourselves, duty to posterity, and love for our species in general, all imperatively require us faithfully to perform. 

How then shall we perform it?--At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? By what means shall we fortify against it?-- Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step the Ocean, and crush us at a blow? Never!--All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest; with a Buonaparte for a commander, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years. 

At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.

— Abraham Lincoln —</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Jay</b>: <i>So I ask the bloggers here: who will conquer the US?</i></p>
<p>I can only offer up the closing paragraphs of Abraham Lincoln speaking about &#8220;The Perpetuation of Our Political Institutions&#8221; in his<br />
Address Before the Young Men&#8217;s Lyceum of Springfield, llinois on January 27, 1838. Few American politicians have ever delivered unto its people such enduring and prescient vision.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>Their&#8217;s was the task (and nobly they performed it) to possess themselves, and through themselves, us, of this goodly land; and to uprear upon its hills and its valleys, a political edifice of liberty and equal rights; &#8217;tis ours only, to transmit these, the former, unprofaned by the foot of an invader; the latter, undecayed by the lapse of time and untorn by usurpation, to the latest generation that fate shall permit the world to know. This task of gratitude to our fathers, justice to ourselves, duty to posterity, and love for our species in general, all imperatively require us faithfully to perform. </p>
<p>How then shall we perform it?&#8211;At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? By what means shall we fortify against it?&#8211; Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step the Ocean, and crush us at a blow? Never!&#8211;All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest; with a Buonaparte for a commander, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years. </p>
<p>At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.</p>
<p>— Abraham Lincoln —</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/07/13/dont-bother-theyre-here/#comment-1506</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is hard for Americans to conceive of the chaos that will result when the credit bubbles burst and our savings are destroyed. We are not the docile nation of Japan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is hard for Americans to conceive of the chaos that will result when the credit bubbles burst and our savings are destroyed. We are not the docile nation of Japan.</p>
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		<title>By: NahnCee</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/07/13/dont-bother-theyre-here/#comment-1490</link>
		<dc:creator>NahnCee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 04:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I think as long as there are gonads there will be a demand for Big Boy Toys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I think as long as there are gonads there will be a demand for Big Boy Toys.</p>
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		<title>By: Eggplant</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/07/13/dont-bother-theyre-here/#comment-1480</link>
		<dc:creator>Eggplant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 01:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NahnCee also asked:

&quot;Will the Canucks and Messicans also pay towards our Big Boy Toys and defense systems?&quot;

Perhaps after the Third Conjecture goes to its logical conclusion the demand for Big Boy Toys will be significantly reduced along with the world&#039;s population.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NahnCee also asked:</p>
<p>&#8220;Will the Canucks and Messicans also pay towards our Big Boy Toys and defense systems?&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps after the Third Conjecture goes to its logical conclusion the demand for Big Boy Toys will be significantly reduced along with the world&#8217;s population.</p>
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		<title>By: Eggplant</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/07/13/dont-bother-theyre-here/#comment-1476</link>
		<dc:creator>Eggplant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NahnCee said:

&quot;Gee, does that mean that Canadian taxpayers will be supporting *us*?&quot;

Years ago when I lived in Germany, I was told the Germans were going to abandon the Deutsche Mark and replace it with a currency that was partially controlled by Italians and Spaniards.  I replied that such a prediction was utter nonsense.  The Germans had been forever scarred by the hyperinflation of 1923 and would never relinquish control of their currency to foreigners....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NahnCee said:</p>
<p>&#8220;Gee, does that mean that Canadian taxpayers will be supporting *us*?&#8221;</p>
<p>Years ago when I lived in Germany, I was told the Germans were going to abandon the Deutsche Mark and replace it with a currency that was partially controlled by Italians and Spaniards.  I replied that such a prediction was utter nonsense.  The Germans had been forever scarred by the hyperinflation of 1923 and would never relinquish control of their currency to foreigners&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk Parker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&lt;i&gt;there could be riots in Denver.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Well, &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Democratic_Convention&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;that&#039;s certainly never happened before&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<i>there could be riots in Denver.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Democratic_Convention" rel="nofollow">that&#8217;s certainly never happened before</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: NahnCee</title>
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		<dc:creator>NahnCee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee, does that mean that Canadian taxpayers will be supporting *us*?  Will the Canucks and Messicans also pay towards our Big Boy Toys and defense systems?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee, does that mean that Canadian taxpayers will be supporting *us*?  Will the Canucks and Messicans also pay towards our Big Boy Toys and defense systems?</p>
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		<title>By: Eggplant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eggplant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 22:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay asked:

&quot;So I ask the bloggers here: who will conquer the US?&quot;

I&#039;m a lousy prophet.  A year ago, I thought the Presidential election was going to be Rudy Giuliani versus Hillary Clinton. 

I suspect the &quot;North American Union&quot; (the economic  union of Canada, the US and Mexico) is probably unstoppable. The United States will continue to exist within the North American Union as Germany exists today within the European Union.  The dollar will go away and be replaced with the &quot;North American Dollar/Peso&quot;.  The transformation of our present dollar to this future currency will allow the United States to payoff its enormous debt at 5 cents on the dollar.  Unfortunately American citizens will have their total worth reduced to 1/20 of their original value at the stroke of a pen.  Also, old US federal government obligates like Social Security and Medicare will go away (many of the elderly will get the Black Pill).  America&#039;s status as a Super Power will be blurred by our unification with Canada and Mexico.  America&#039;s ability to act on the international stage will be limited by our ability to secure agreement with either Mexico or Canada.

America&#039;s future political orientation is difficult to predict.  The old party labels of Democrat versus Republican are almost meaningless.  Better labels are:

1) Moonbat (irrational left wing)
2) Rationalist
3) Neofascist (cynical, hard-right wing)

The moonbats are poised to gain power through B. Hussein.  However they are incapable of holding power by their very definition, i.e. they&#039;re irrational.  The neofascists are waiting expectently because the
pendulum will swing their way after the moonbats make
a mess of things.  After the neofascists take over, literally anything can happen (we could all end up dead from radiation poisoning).  

Things will deteriorate more slowly if the moonbats are stopped and the rationalists retain power.  Unfortunately we&#039;ll still end up as part of the North American Union, just fewer people will have been murdered or starved to death getting there.

Again, I&#039;m a lousy prophet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay asked:</p>
<p>&#8220;So I ask the bloggers here: who will conquer the US?&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a lousy prophet.  A year ago, I thought the Presidential election was going to be Rudy Giuliani versus Hillary Clinton. </p>
<p>I suspect the &#8220;North American Union&#8221; (the economic  union of Canada, the US and Mexico) is probably unstoppable. The United States will continue to exist within the North American Union as Germany exists today within the European Union.  The dollar will go away and be replaced with the &#8220;North American Dollar/Peso&#8221;.  The transformation of our present dollar to this future currency will allow the United States to payoff its enormous debt at 5 cents on the dollar.  Unfortunately American citizens will have their total worth reduced to 1/20 of their original value at the stroke of a pen.  Also, old US federal government obligates like Social Security and Medicare will go away (many of the elderly will get the Black Pill).  America&#8217;s status as a Super Power will be blurred by our unification with Canada and Mexico.  America&#8217;s ability to act on the international stage will be limited by our ability to secure agreement with either Mexico or Canada.</p>
<p>America&#8217;s future political orientation is difficult to predict.  The old party labels of Democrat versus Republican are almost meaningless.  Better labels are:</p>
<p>1) Moonbat (irrational left wing)<br />
2) Rationalist<br />
3) Neofascist (cynical, hard-right wing)</p>
<p>The moonbats are poised to gain power through B. Hussein.  However they are incapable of holding power by their very definition, i.e. they&#8217;re irrational.  The neofascists are waiting expectently because the<br />
pendulum will swing their way after the moonbats make<br />
a mess of things.  After the neofascists take over, literally anything can happen (we could all end up dead from radiation poisoning).  </p>
<p>Things will deteriorate more slowly if the moonbats are stopped and the rationalists retain power.  Unfortunately we&#8217;ll still end up as part of the North American Union, just fewer people will have been murdered or starved to death getting there.</p>
<p>Again, I&#8217;m a lousy prophet.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those of us oldies that have defined contribution pensions are getting scared of the economy. My CREF account (a well run conservative stock fund) was down 11%. I am not retired as yet. My wife has never had a job since we married 42 years ago and watches the propaganda on the nation news and is not worried. But she thinks that her &quot;frugality&quot; is all that we need to manage are old life while my daughter&#039;s husband thirsts for the inheritance. Well we have to pay of gas, water, electricity, food an medicine etc.
 A leftists government elected by the very rich, the blacks and kids will destroy our lives.
 The children of old parents who love and respect their parents will not be happy about their parents becoming poor. Few will be getting fat from the government but some will and will help their parents. But many people will be in the situation that the Germans were in after WW1. But Americans do not have a culture of war for power and profit that the German middle and upper classes had before WW1.
 So I ask the bloggers here: who will conquer the US?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those of us oldies that have defined contribution pensions are getting scared of the economy. My CREF account (a well run conservative stock fund) was down 11%. I am not retired as yet. My wife has never had a job since we married 42 years ago and watches the propaganda on the nation news and is not worried. But she thinks that her &#8220;frugality&#8221; is all that we need to manage are old life while my daughter&#8217;s husband thirsts for the inheritance. Well we have to pay of gas, water, electricity, food an medicine etc.<br />
 A leftists government elected by the very rich, the blacks and kids will destroy our lives.<br />
 The children of old parents who love and respect their parents will not be happy about their parents becoming poor. Few will be getting fat from the government but some will and will help their parents. But many people will be in the situation that the Germans were in after WW1. But Americans do not have a culture of war for power and profit that the German middle and upper classes had before WW1.<br />
 So I ask the bloggers here: who will conquer the US?</p>
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		<title>By: Alexis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wretchard:

It appears you&#039;re suggesting that Senator Obama is a joker in the deck.  People are accustomed to seeing &quot;Democrat&quot; or &quot;Republican&quot;, seeing red or black (or blue), with the normal four suits of cards.  Jokers are different, and their value depends upon the rules of the game.

I think some people &lt;i&gt;want&lt;/i&gt; to vote for the joker in the deck precisely because voting for a sure thing doesn&#039;t appeal to the excitement of a gamble.  Never mind that the house almost always wins.  Never mind that slot machines are called &quot;one armed bandits&quot; for a reason.  For those who desire the excitement of the unexpected, Senator Obama delivers that sense of surprise.

He appeals to a zeitgeist that feels, &quot;We don&#039;t know whether he is one of us or not, but there&#039;s a chance he really is one of us.  So let&#039;s spin the wheel.&quot;  I think of Senator Obama as a chance some people can believe in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wretchard:</p>
<p>It appears you&#8217;re suggesting that Senator Obama is a joker in the deck.  People are accustomed to seeing &#8220;Democrat&#8221; or &#8220;Republican&#8221;, seeing red or black (or blue), with the normal four suits of cards.  Jokers are different, and their value depends upon the rules of the game.</p>
<p>I think some people <i>want</i> to vote for the joker in the deck precisely because voting for a sure thing doesn&#8217;t appeal to the excitement of a gamble.  Never mind that the house almost always wins.  Never mind that slot machines are called &#8220;one armed bandits&#8221; for a reason.  For those who desire the excitement of the unexpected, Senator Obama delivers that sense of surprise.</p>
<p>He appeals to a zeitgeist that feels, &#8220;We don&#8217;t know whether he is one of us or not, but there&#8217;s a chance he really is one of us.  So let&#8217;s spin the wheel.&#8221;  I think of Senator Obama as a chance some people can believe in.</p>
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