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		<title>By: Saul Wall</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/07/01/leaving-america/#comment-876</link>
		<dc:creator>Saul Wall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 19:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re the first comment, Brussels has enough problems. Send them to China. Or better yet, Iran (Saudi Arabia would be my first choice but Saudi&#039;s wouldn&#039;t want all the infidels). 

Occasionally the UN does get something right in spite of itself but that doesn&#039;t mean that these successes could not be achieved via other means. And what they get wrong is far from accidental but a result of the institution pursuing the most vile of motivations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re the first comment, Brussels has enough problems. Send them to China. Or better yet, Iran (Saudi Arabia would be my first choice but Saudi&#8217;s wouldn&#8217;t want all the infidels). </p>
<p>Occasionally the UN does get something right in spite of itself but that doesn&#8217;t mean that these successes could not be achieved via other means. And what they get wrong is far from accidental but a result of the institution pursuing the most vile of motivations.</p>
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		<title>By: Wadeusaf</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/07/01/leaving-america/#comment-749</link>
		<dc:creator>Wadeusaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 02:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually for all the good and for all the bad, on balance the UN still has a lot to offer. But the balance sheets have to be brought up for accounting, and the lack of transparency or worse the incredibly transparent and sophomoric kleptobiosis with which some missions are carried out is  for many of its important missions nothing short of appalling. 

Which is why even under the auspices of the UN, it was NATO-an alliance democracies- that managed the stuff in the former Yugoslavia, and even though it operated under the auspices of the UN the Coalition- a grab bag assortment of tyrannies and republics- could not muster the moral fortitude to take out Saddam completely, despite the crimes committed not only in Iraq but in Kuwait and against Iran and it was the US acting unilaterally with the Coalition of the Willing- all democracies, many recently free of a similar oppression that the Iraqis exited under- that took Saddam version of Stalin out, and assisted the Iraqi&#039;s in replacing it with a republic. 

 No doubt about it, all three examples have hallmarks of corruption and waste, but only one can be considered even close to being successful at the present time, with an end game in sight. 

 I think realistically we expect too much from the UN, and expect too little of individual members.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually for all the good and for all the bad, on balance the UN still has a lot to offer. But the balance sheets have to be brought up for accounting, and the lack of transparency or worse the incredibly transparent and sophomoric kleptobiosis with which some missions are carried out is  for many of its important missions nothing short of appalling. </p>
<p>Which is why even under the auspices of the UN, it was NATO-an alliance democracies- that managed the stuff in the former Yugoslavia, and even though it operated under the auspices of the UN the Coalition- a grab bag assortment of tyrannies and republics- could not muster the moral fortitude to take out Saddam completely, despite the crimes committed not only in Iraq but in Kuwait and against Iran and it was the US acting unilaterally with the Coalition of the Willing- all democracies, many recently free of a similar oppression that the Iraqis exited under- that took Saddam version of Stalin out, and assisted the Iraqi&#8217;s in replacing it with a republic. </p>
<p> No doubt about it, all three examples have hallmarks of corruption and waste, but only one can be considered even close to being successful at the present time, with an end game in sight. </p>
<p> I think realistically we expect too much from the UN, and expect too little of individual members.</p>
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		<title>By: Steynian 186 &#171; Free Mark Steyn!</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/07/01/leaving-america/#comment-727</link>
		<dc:creator>Steynian 186 &#171; Free Mark Steyn!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] THE NEW YORK TIMES has summarized a new UN report by Lakhdar Brahimi, who was assigned to examine why United Nations [...]</description>
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		<title>By: David M</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/07/01/leaving-america/#comment-713</link>
		<dc:creator>David M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 18:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Thunder Run has linked to this post in the - &lt;a href=&quot;http://thunderrun.blogspot.com/2008/07/web-reconnaissance-for-07022008.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Web Reconnaissance for 07/02/2008 &lt;/a&gt; A short recon of what’s out there that might draw your attention, updated throughout the day...so check back often.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Thunder Run has linked to this post in the &#8211; <a href="http://thunderrun.blogspot.com/2008/07/web-reconnaissance-for-07022008.html" rel="nofollow"> Web Reconnaissance for 07/02/2008 </a> A short recon of what’s out there that might draw your attention, updated throughout the day&#8230;so check back often.</p>
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		<title>By: NahnCee</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/07/01/leaving-america/#comment-708</link>
		<dc:creator>NahnCee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I agree that no UN, nor any new incarnation, would be a good thing to try for a while.  I hate it a lot that we&#039;re pouring perfectly good dollars into the pockets of a bunch of a bunch of unqualified banana republic bureaucrats whose sole goal for existance is to put down America.  Relocating it, even to a godforsaken hole like Algeria, would still mean that we&#039;re contributing to the health and prosperity of beings like Kofi Annan and his family, including the purchase of Mercedes&#039; for his idiot son.  I just don&#039;t want to play that game any more, at all.  Let Baby Annan steal his own Mercedes with a Nigerian internet scam, like all his relatives have had to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I agree that no UN, nor any new incarnation, would be a good thing to try for a while.  I hate it a lot that we&#8217;re pouring perfectly good dollars into the pockets of a bunch of a bunch of unqualified banana republic bureaucrats whose sole goal for existance is to put down America.  Relocating it, even to a godforsaken hole like Algeria, would still mean that we&#8217;re contributing to the health and prosperity of beings like Kofi Annan and his family, including the purchase of Mercedes&#8217; for his idiot son.  I just don&#8217;t want to play that game any more, at all.  Let Baby Annan steal his own Mercedes with a Nigerian internet scam, like all his relatives have had to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Pascal</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/07/01/leaving-america/#comment-705</link>
		<dc:creator>Pascal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 16:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And as he labored on, upon the thoughts of Lakhdar Brahimi &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wiseacre-gardens.com/sound/daffy15.wav&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this clip&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; intruded insistently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And as he labored on, upon the thoughts of Lakhdar Brahimi <strong><a href="http://www.wiseacre-gardens.com/sound/daffy15.wav" rel="nofollow">this clip</a></strong> intruded insistently.</p>
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		<title>By: Zenster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zenster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 09:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;Brahimi concluded that “United Nations personnel around the world are increasingly likely to be targets for attack because the organization is perceived by some as a tool of powerful members, rather than an unbiased advocate for all nations”. In other words, America, or at least the West, was the indirect provocation for the Algerian bombings.&lt;/i&gt;

Boy howdy! As if nobody saw that one coming.

&lt;I&gt;Thirdly, America taints the UN with its money; some of which Mr. Brahimi regrettably receives and would doubtless return, were he only given an opportunity to do so.&lt;/I&gt;

Masterful, &lt;b&gt;Wretchard&lt;/b&gt;, absolutely masterful. Worth the price of admission alone.

&lt;I&gt;The bombing of the UN offices is driven more by the trends which produced Robert Mugabe than those which elected George W. Bush.&lt;/I&gt;

If only irony could kill instead of just tweak.

&lt;I&gt;For example, every government official above the rank of bureau director or colonel should execute a waiver giving up the prospect of residence, citizenship or bank accounts in developed countries. In that way, any aspirant to the post of El Presidente will be forced into a make or break commitment to his country.&lt;/I&gt;

For that I would even hold my breath.


Just kidding!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Brahimi concluded that “United Nations personnel around the world are increasingly likely to be targets for attack because the organization is perceived by some as a tool of powerful members, rather than an unbiased advocate for all nations”. In other words, America, or at least the West, was the indirect provocation for the Algerian bombings.</i></p>
<p>Boy howdy! As if nobody saw that one coming.</p>
<p><i>Thirdly, America taints the UN with its money; some of which Mr. Brahimi regrettably receives and would doubtless return, were he only given an opportunity to do so.</i></p>
<p>Masterful, <b>Wretchard</b>, absolutely masterful. Worth the price of admission alone.</p>
<p><i>The bombing of the UN offices is driven more by the trends which produced Robert Mugabe than those which elected George W. Bush.</i></p>
<p>If only irony could kill instead of just tweak.</p>
<p><i>For example, every government official above the rank of bureau director or colonel should execute a waiver giving up the prospect of residence, citizenship or bank accounts in developed countries. In that way, any aspirant to the post of El Presidente will be forced into a make or break commitment to his country.</i></p>
<p>For that I would even hold my breath.</p>
<p>Just kidding!!!</p>
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		<title>By: bobal</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/07/01/leaving-america/#comment-671</link>
		<dc:creator>bobal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 08:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Move &#039;em to some island way out in the south Pacific, a small island, unihabited.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Move &#8216;em to some island way out in the south Pacific, a small island, unihabited.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk Parker</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/07/01/leaving-america/#comment-669</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirk Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 07:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wretchard&#039;s redesign is clearly better than the UN we have now, but I&#039;d suggest an even better replacement: nothing.  

Seriously, let&#039;s have half a century of dealing with long- and medium-term problems via ad hoc coalitions of the willing, and see how the results compare.  As for emergencies, why not just let the US Navy and Marines deal with them?  &lt;i&gt;That&#039;s what ends up happening anyway&lt;/i&gt;, to a large extent, so we might as well be honest about it.  Sure, it&#039;s not really fair that the US fronts the cost for all this, but (a) emergency deployments can be useful training/preparedness exercises, and (b) the cost would hurt a lot less if we were no longer paying for the Useless Debating Society, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wretchard&#8217;s redesign is clearly better than the UN we have now, but I&#8217;d suggest an even better replacement: nothing.  </p>
<p>Seriously, let&#8217;s have half a century of dealing with long- and medium-term problems via ad hoc coalitions of the willing, and see how the results compare.  As for emergencies, why not just let the US Navy and Marines deal with them?  <i>That&#8217;s what ends up happening anyway</i>, to a large extent, so we might as well be honest about it.  Sure, it&#8217;s not really fair that the US fronts the cost for all this, but (a) emergency deployments can be useful training/preparedness exercises, and (b) the cost would hurt a lot less if we were no longer paying for the Useless Debating Society, too.</p>
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		<title>By: NahnCee</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/07/01/leaving-america/#comment-663</link>
		<dc:creator>NahnCee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 05:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THe thing about a League of Democracies is that it would have to include Russia, which is nominally democratic (as is Zimbabwe, incidently).  And since someone else thinks it should also include China just because, then we&#039;re right back with Britain, USA, Russia, China and France being in it.  I&#039;m failing to see where this would be a step in any new direction, in an oil-for-money scam sort of way.

I also disagree with the commenter above who said that we cannot pull out of the UN.  We&#039;ve already pulled out of their upcoming conference on racism.  I predict that in the future, we&#039;ll be pulling out of more and more UN-funded confernences and projects until all that&#039;s left is a final tug on the plug.  But by that time, they&#039;ll be based in Algeria, will have lots of other things to worry about, and probably won&#039;t even notice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THe thing about a League of Democracies is that it would have to include Russia, which is nominally democratic (as is Zimbabwe, incidently).  And since someone else thinks it should also include China just because, then we&#8217;re right back with Britain, USA, Russia, China and France being in it.  I&#8217;m failing to see where this would be a step in any new direction, in an oil-for-money scam sort of way.</p>
<p>I also disagree with the commenter above who said that we cannot pull out of the UN.  We&#8217;ve already pulled out of their upcoming conference on racism.  I predict that in the future, we&#8217;ll be pulling out of more and more UN-funded confernences and projects until all that&#8217;s left is a final tug on the plug.  But by that time, they&#8217;ll be based in Algeria, will have lots of other things to worry about, and probably won&#8217;t even notice.</p>
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