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		<title>By: sandy oestreich</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/phyllischesler/2009/11/05/veiled-saudi-women-launch-a-freedom-campaign/#comment-18370</link>
		<dc:creator>sandy oestreich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Ms Chesler,

THANK YOU for this update on veiled Saudi women and their uprising.

We at Equal Rights Alliance Inc (now a national organization) feed at that trough because we can now say, &quot;IF Saudi women can do THAT, surely WE can stand tall for the ERA in America!&quot;  It helps immensely.  

We MUST rouse American women .. and men.. to engage in the ERA effort!  

ERA Inc will be exploding America&#039;s ERA landscape in March 2010.  Take a walk thru our web site, www.RatifyERAflorida.net, occasionally for occ., sporadic bill updates and reports on the national ERA scene, dear Ms Chesler.

Terribly hard and loooong work for 8 years, but ERA is WORTH IT!  We WILL do this. 

Absolutely. 

My BEST to YOU. 

Sandy Oestreich, Pres., ERA Inc
Prof. Emerita,etc  727 393-0932, unlisted due to death threats</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Ms Chesler,</p>
<p>THANK YOU for this update on veiled Saudi women and their uprising.</p>
<p>We at Equal Rights Alliance Inc (now a national organization) feed at that trough because we can now say, &#8220;IF Saudi women can do THAT, surely WE can stand tall for the ERA in America!&#8221;  It helps immensely.  </p>
<p>We MUST rouse American women .. and men.. to engage in the ERA effort!  </p>
<p>ERA Inc will be exploding America&#8217;s ERA landscape in March 2010.  Take a walk thru our web site, <a href="http://www.RatifyERAflorida.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.RatifyERAflorida.net</a>, occasionally for occ., sporadic bill updates and reports on the national ERA scene, dear Ms Chesler.</p>
<p>Terribly hard and loooong work for 8 years, but ERA is WORTH IT!  We WILL do this. </p>
<p>Absolutely. </p>
<p>My BEST to YOU. </p>
<p>Sandy Oestreich, Pres., ERA Inc<br />
Prof. Emerita,etc  727 393-0932, unlisted due to death threats</p>
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		<title>By: Greenconsciousness</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/phyllischesler/2009/11/05/veiled-saudi-women-launch-a-freedom-campaign/#comment-18327</link>
		<dc:creator>Greenconsciousness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 12:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just heard on NPR that Saudi women have serious Vitamin D deficiencies because of the black shrouds they wear in the sun. I never thought about the health implications of their stupid male oppressions but of course along with the cancer they are not allowed to talk about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just heard on NPR that Saudi women have serious Vitamin D deficiencies because of the black shrouds they wear in the sun. I never thought about the health implications of their stupid male oppressions but of course along with the cancer they are not allowed to talk about.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The black ribbon worn by saudi women on the 9th November will probably not be seen as many wear black gloves and even black socks.  But looking to the future, what about the tiny tots 2 years and up who are made to cover their heads and their bodies, not faces - yet - particularly Indonesian girls more so than little Saudi girls,  These are the next generations who are being indoctrinated from an even earlier age, so regrettably I don&#039;t expect anything to change.  It really is a man&#039;s world out here in the ME.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The black ribbon worn by saudi women on the 9th November will probably not be seen as many wear black gloves and even black socks.  But looking to the future, what about the tiny tots 2 years and up who are made to cover their heads and their bodies, not faces &#8211; yet &#8211; particularly Indonesian girls more so than little Saudi girls,  These are the next generations who are being indoctrinated from an even earlier age, so regrettably I don&#8217;t expect anything to change.  It really is a man&#8217;s world out here in the ME.</p>
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		<title>By: HellenoChristian</title>
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		<dc:creator>HellenoChristian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 01:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with MiamaMan.

I would say to Lazreg that in the West you can wear whatever you like, covered or not (usually avoiding clothes which forbid you to be recognize, or going around fully nacked), but you are not allowed to follow dangerous doctrines (which now the West identifies with KKK alike or Nazi alike, ...). 

The Islamic veil isn&#039;t a veil like another, it is the symbol of a DANGEROUS doctrine, therefore it does pose a problem to the whole society, when there are women wearing it and men suggesting women to wear it.

I was recently reading another article about a so called moderate, which was making the mentioned apology of Islam: according to his moderate and enlightened preaching, Islam started being violent after Muhammad&#039;s death, due to the gruesome people who took Muhammad&#039;s place. Of course, he remembered how - on the other hand - peaceful Koran is, and I guess the conclusion is that we all, in the West, have to embrace and celebrate Islam, because it and its Koran is so peaceful and enlightened.

I mean, when it comes to Islam, historical facts (of the past and the present) have to be totally removed in order to leave full place to most phantasious phantasies and to UTOPIAS: Islam has to be seen as &quot;the (perfect) way&quot; by everyone, no criticism is allowed (and anyone who dares to do it, is a &quot;Right winger&quot; - meaning a Fascist/Raccist/Whatever? -), it must be dressed with lies and deceptions in order to turn it more digestable (or forcibly digestable), and people like Nonie Darwish and Wafa Sultan (women, unveiled, enjoyers of Freedoms, modest, undependant, responsible for self and society, skilled, clever, brave, ...) have never to be mentioned and have not to be considered a model for Islamic women (despite the fact they are/were Islamic women, too), above all when it comes to their very effective and essential criticism of Islam (Islam).

I would like to wear the black ribbon, but I wonder: will it be like the green one, wore for Iranians, who are now yelling indoctrinated things like &quot;Allahu akbar&quot; making (me) believe/understand that their intention was/is to substitue a dictator with another, and NOT REALLY BEING FREE AND CIVILIZED people (like they were as Persians), the way they first claimed, asking for Solidarity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with MiamaMan.</p>
<p>I would say to Lazreg that in the West you can wear whatever you like, covered or not (usually avoiding clothes which forbid you to be recognize, or going around fully nacked), but you are not allowed to follow dangerous doctrines (which now the West identifies with KKK alike or Nazi alike, &#8230;). </p>
<p>The Islamic veil isn&#8217;t a veil like another, it is the symbol of a DANGEROUS doctrine, therefore it does pose a problem to the whole society, when there are women wearing it and men suggesting women to wear it.</p>
<p>I was recently reading another article about a so called moderate, which was making the mentioned apology of Islam: according to his moderate and enlightened preaching, Islam started being violent after Muhammad&#8217;s death, due to the gruesome people who took Muhammad&#8217;s place. Of course, he remembered how &#8211; on the other hand &#8211; peaceful Koran is, and I guess the conclusion is that we all, in the West, have to embrace and celebrate Islam, because it and its Koran is so peaceful and enlightened.</p>
<p>I mean, when it comes to Islam, historical facts (of the past and the present) have to be totally removed in order to leave full place to most phantasious phantasies and to UTOPIAS: Islam has to be seen as &#8220;the (perfect) way&#8221; by everyone, no criticism is allowed (and anyone who dares to do it, is a &#8220;Right winger&#8221; &#8211; meaning a Fascist/Raccist/Whatever? -), it must be dressed with lies and deceptions in order to turn it more digestable (or forcibly digestable), and people like Nonie Darwish and Wafa Sultan (women, unveiled, enjoyers of Freedoms, modest, undependant, responsible for self and society, skilled, clever, brave, &#8230;) have never to be mentioned and have not to be considered a model for Islamic women (despite the fact they are/were Islamic women, too), above all when it comes to their very effective and essential criticism of Islam (Islam).</p>
<p>I would like to wear the black ribbon, but I wonder: will it be like the green one, wore for Iranians, who are now yelling indoctrinated things like &#8220;Allahu akbar&#8221; making (me) believe/understand that their intention was/is to substitue a dictator with another, and NOT REALLY BEING FREE AND CIVILIZED people (like they were as Persians), the way they first claimed, asking for Solidarity?</p>
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		<title>By: Saudi Arabia: Veiled Saudi Women Launch a Freedom Campaign &#8212; by Phyllis Chesler :: Responsible for Equality And Liberty (R.E.A.L.)</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/phyllischesler/2009/11/05/veiled-saudi-women-launch-a-freedom-campaign/#comment-18204</link>
		<dc:creator>Saudi Arabia: Veiled Saudi Women Launch a Freedom Campaign &#8212; by Phyllis Chesler :: Responsible for Equality And Liberty (R.E.A.L.)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Saudi Arabia: Veiled Saudi Women Launch a Freedom Campaign &#8212; by Phyllis Chesler [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Lynn</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/phyllischesler/2009/11/05/veiled-saudi-women-launch-a-freedom-campaign/#comment-18145</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of weaning, I have never heard of a more strange and weird belief system as Islam.  After bloodying the world with their filthy sword they has much time to sit beneath their filthy tents and imagine all sorts of strange rules, even arguing on who owns a women&#039;s breast milk and how many time she must breast feed a man so that he will be her guardian (Rada).

How much longer must we endure this grime under our finger nails as we scratch our way out of the hole we fell into when we decided to show &quot;respect&quot; for this mind that wallows and lurks in the dark corners of this earth.

Trying to make Islam respectable for women is futile because it had no respect for woman from the beginning.  A black ribbon is for mourning and surely that is what Islam has given us.  Surely it knew to fear woman because weren&#039;t we promised that through a woman would our salvation come?  Yes, this enmity between the deceiver and women has surely produced the fruit of Islam, and it is bitter to the mouth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of weaning, I have never heard of a more strange and weird belief system as Islam.  After bloodying the world with their filthy sword they has much time to sit beneath their filthy tents and imagine all sorts of strange rules, even arguing on who owns a women&#8217;s breast milk and how many time she must breast feed a man so that he will be her guardian (Rada).</p>
<p>How much longer must we endure this grime under our finger nails as we scratch our way out of the hole we fell into when we decided to show &#8220;respect&#8221; for this mind that wallows and lurks in the dark corners of this earth.</p>
<p>Trying to make Islam respectable for women is futile because it had no respect for woman from the beginning.  A black ribbon is for mourning and surely that is what Islam has given us.  Surely it knew to fear woman because weren&#8217;t we promised that through a woman would our salvation come?  Yes, this enmity between the deceiver and women has surely produced the fruit of Islam, and it is bitter to the mouth.</p>
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		<title>By: MiamaMan</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/phyllischesler/2009/11/05/veiled-saudi-women-launch-a-freedom-campaign/#comment-18106</link>
		<dc:creator>MiamaMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 00:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is important to bring out all the dirty laundry of Islam. This is one of the few things I agree with Michael Moore, that we have not done enough to wean ourselves from Saudi oil, and ultimately we support their Islamofacist government. 

You wrote: &quot;According to Algerian-American sociology professor Marnia Lazreg, the Veil is not mandated in the Qu’ran&quot;

Apparently nothing is in the Koran anymore. Veiling is not, or the Minder (like Scientology), Honor Killing is not in the Koran, FMJ is not there either apparently, so, the only thing perhaps we need to tell Muslims is: TO FOLLOW THE KORAN, ha, ha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is important to bring out all the dirty laundry of Islam. This is one of the few things I agree with Michael Moore, that we have not done enough to wean ourselves from Saudi oil, and ultimately we support their Islamofacist government. </p>
<p>You wrote: &#8220;According to Algerian-American sociology professor Marnia Lazreg, the Veil is not mandated in the Qu’ran&#8221;</p>
<p>Apparently nothing is in the Koran anymore. Veiling is not, or the Minder (like Scientology), Honor Killing is not in the Koran, FMJ is not there either apparently, so, the only thing perhaps we need to tell Muslims is: TO FOLLOW THE KORAN, ha, ha.</p>
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		<title>By: George Jochnowitz</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/phyllischesler/2009/11/05/veiled-saudi-women-launch-a-freedom-campaign/#comment-18105</link>
		<dc:creator>George Jochnowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On March 11, 2002, the religious police in Saudi Arabia prevented the fire department from rescuing girls from a burning building.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Mecca_girls&#039;_school_fire
That&#039;s the kind of country Saudi Arabia is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On March 11, 2002, the religious police in Saudi Arabia prevented the fire department from rescuing girls from a burning building.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Mecca_girls&#039;_school_fire" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Mecca_girls&#039;_school_fire</a><br />
That&#8217;s the kind of country Saudi Arabia is.</p>
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		<title>By: David W. Lincoln</title>
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		<dc:creator>David W. Lincoln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given that the Government of &quot;Saudi&quot; Arabia is as well prepared to govern as the Diem government of South Vietnam was, when a Buddhist monk immolated himself just before the 1962 Congressional elections in the United States (in other words, not at all); a continental preparatory regime for &quot;Saudi&quot; Arabia, and the other countries in Asia which need it, is the best route to the future.  This can be used to justify the passing of the reins, until the day comes when Arabia is ready to be governed by Arabians, instead of for Arabians by others.

For when a government is not ready to govern,
those who are governed pay much too high a price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given that the Government of &#8220;Saudi&#8221; Arabia is as well prepared to govern as the Diem government of South Vietnam was, when a Buddhist monk immolated himself just before the 1962 Congressional elections in the United States (in other words, not at all); a continental preparatory regime for &#8220;Saudi&#8221; Arabia, and the other countries in Asia which need it, is the best route to the future.  This can be used to justify the passing of the reins, until the day comes when Arabia is ready to be governed by Arabians, instead of for Arabians by others.</p>
<p>For when a government is not ready to govern,<br />
those who are governed pay much too high a price.</p>
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