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		<title>By: Mariam Albriton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mariam Albriton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Sep 2010 06:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am fascinated with the notion of the liberation treatment to treat multiple sclerosis. From what data I can accumulate about doctors that offer treatment, I can only find one nebulous list repeated on a dozen websites. Is there a more preferable way to find treatment, per say in North America. There are places that offer Liberation Treatment for the United States that no one knows about, such as &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.liberation-treatment-now.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Liberation Treatment Now&lt;/A&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am fascinated with the notion of the liberation treatment to treat multiple sclerosis. From what data I can accumulate about doctors that offer treatment, I can only find one nebulous list repeated on a dozen websites. Is there a more preferable way to find treatment, per say in North America. There are places that offer Liberation Treatment for the United States that no one knows about, such as <a href="http://www.liberation-treatment-now.com" rel="nofollow">Liberation Treatment Now</a></p>
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		<title>By: stevenw</title>
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		<dc:creator>stevenw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 01:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Islam is at war with the Twenty-first century.     For centuries, as they lived in comparative isolation, they could practice their primitive tribal culture/religion with little interference from the outside world.    Today, with the avalanche of information and the never-ending  imposition of images and ideas from the West, the insular world of primitive Islam feels under attack.   Most of the world&#039;s religions learned long ago how to cope and adapt with changing times; not so Islam.    As both religion and culture,  they see either being threatened as an attack on both.   Without both, they have nothing because in their eyes they are the same.    As a result the fundamentalists see themselves in a struggle to the death with ideas that undermine the very foundations of everything they stand for and believe.    They must either impose their ancient and barbaric views of the world on all of us or perish themselves.   I survived the attack on the World Trade Center; I&#039;ve experienced how far they will go.   I have no illusions about this struggle and hope to make them regret not killing me when they had the chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Islam is at war with the Twenty-first century.     For centuries, as they lived in comparative isolation, they could practice their primitive tribal culture/religion with little interference from the outside world.    Today, with the avalanche of information and the never-ending  imposition of images and ideas from the West, the insular world of primitive Islam feels under attack.   Most of the world&#8217;s religions learned long ago how to cope and adapt with changing times; not so Islam.    As both religion and culture,  they see either being threatened as an attack on both.   Without both, they have nothing because in their eyes they are the same.    As a result the fundamentalists see themselves in a struggle to the death with ideas that undermine the very foundations of everything they stand for and believe.    They must either impose their ancient and barbaric views of the world on all of us or perish themselves.   I survived the attack on the World Trade Center; I&#8217;ve experienced how far they will go.   I have no illusions about this struggle and hope to make them regret not killing me when they had the chance.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Malone</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/phyllischesler/2009/10/27/a-lesson-learned-in-kabul/#comment-17950</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Malone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 01:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#22 Jordan - Apparently, you don&#039;t understand what you&#039;ve read in that passage.  The Quran dictates the burqa in that passage.  It tells them to cover themselves, to hide the shame of them being women.  If they do so, Allah will prove Himself merciful.  If they do not, they shall encounter trouble.  (Their men shall stone them for harlots.)  They must let themselves be known as ashamed for being women.  The Islamic Fundamentalists DO understand the Quran.  They are the ones who get it right.

   One of the misunderstandings by the West of Islam, is that they believe that, since they are religious, they are politically on the Right.  It&#039;s not true.  Like Marxism, they demand complete world dominance by any means.  They are both political and religious philosophies.  Marxism: the State is God.  Islam: God is the State.

  Communism requires suppression of religion to remain in power.  Communism becomes the statd religion.  Islam requires the co-option of religion to stay in power.   In both cases, they are actually suppressing freedom via religion.  Religion, a deep abiding faith which conquers your fear, is necessary to free oneself from one&#039;s shackles.

  Islam and Communism are both anti-God.

  The Communists exterminate all legitimate religion.  They stand with the Devil in this.  Communists created Liberation Theology, which is nothing more than Communism dressed up in Christian clothing.  This is why the adherents all hate America and its freedom.  (see Rev. Wright and Goddamn America)

  Islam worships a false God, the Moon God of Ur and the Morning Star (aka, Lucifer): The Moon and the Star.  They&#039;re very open about this.  They claim to be derived from Judaism and worship the same God.  This is false.  They worship his Adversary.  They have dressed up their Devil worship as Judaism.

  Do they oppose homosexuality?  Yes... in theory.  In practice, however, it flourishes.  They merely turn a blind eye.  See no evil.  With their power, they could end it in their regimes, but they don&#039;t.  Do they oppose abortion?   Yes, but because they understand the power of numbers.  They have actually conquered lands by immigration and out-breeding the locals.  This is happening in Europe.  (Communist China does this in Tibet and Mongolia.)  The Islamists also oppose these things, because they must adopt at least some of the precepts of Judaism in order to maintain their disguise.  They keep the things that promote their power.

  Islam exterminates all other faiths.  Convert or die.  The exception is the People of the Book (Biblio = Bible = Book).  They had to claim this, as they claim to worship the same God.  As long as Jews and Christians acknowledge the superior status of Islam, they may continue to live.  In practice, however, they are subjugated and exterminated.  The Islamic hatred of Jews is intense.  They are the Chosen of God.  His Adversary hates the descendants of Adam and Eve.

  They are both anti-God.  The means are a bit different, but the ends are exactly the same.  Both lead to the subjugation and murder of mankind.  Look at their records.  Look at the vast amount of out-and-out murder committed by each, which is not just condoned, but indeed, commanded by the leaders of their faiths.  It is all Devil-worship.  It is all on the political Left.  It is power and control; subjugation and murder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#22 Jordan &#8211; Apparently, you don&#8217;t understand what you&#8217;ve read in that passage.  The Quran dictates the burqa in that passage.  It tells them to cover themselves, to hide the shame of them being women.  If they do so, Allah will prove Himself merciful.  If they do not, they shall encounter trouble.  (Their men shall stone them for harlots.)  They must let themselves be known as ashamed for being women.  The Islamic Fundamentalists DO understand the Quran.  They are the ones who get it right.</p>
<p>   One of the misunderstandings by the West of Islam, is that they believe that, since they are religious, they are politically on the Right.  It&#8217;s not true.  Like Marxism, they demand complete world dominance by any means.  They are both political and religious philosophies.  Marxism: the State is God.  Islam: God is the State.</p>
<p>  Communism requires suppression of religion to remain in power.  Communism becomes the statd religion.  Islam requires the co-option of religion to stay in power.   In both cases, they are actually suppressing freedom via religion.  Religion, a deep abiding faith which conquers your fear, is necessary to free oneself from one&#8217;s shackles.</p>
<p>  Islam and Communism are both anti-God.</p>
<p>  The Communists exterminate all legitimate religion.  They stand with the Devil in this.  Communists created Liberation Theology, which is nothing more than Communism dressed up in Christian clothing.  This is why the adherents all hate America and its freedom.  (see Rev. Wright and Goddamn America)</p>
<p>  Islam worships a false God, the Moon God of Ur and the Morning Star (aka, Lucifer): The Moon and the Star.  They&#8217;re very open about this.  They claim to be derived from Judaism and worship the same God.  This is false.  They worship his Adversary.  They have dressed up their Devil worship as Judaism.</p>
<p>  Do they oppose homosexuality?  Yes&#8230; in theory.  In practice, however, it flourishes.  They merely turn a blind eye.  See no evil.  With their power, they could end it in their regimes, but they don&#8217;t.  Do they oppose abortion?   Yes, but because they understand the power of numbers.  They have actually conquered lands by immigration and out-breeding the locals.  This is happening in Europe.  (Communist China does this in Tibet and Mongolia.)  The Islamists also oppose these things, because they must adopt at least some of the precepts of Judaism in order to maintain their disguise.  They keep the things that promote their power.</p>
<p>  Islam exterminates all other faiths.  Convert or die.  The exception is the People of the Book (Biblio = Bible = Book).  They had to claim this, as they claim to worship the same God.  As long as Jews and Christians acknowledge the superior status of Islam, they may continue to live.  In practice, however, they are subjugated and exterminated.  The Islamic hatred of Jews is intense.  They are the Chosen of God.  His Adversary hates the descendants of Adam and Eve.</p>
<p>  They are both anti-God.  The means are a bit different, but the ends are exactly the same.  Both lead to the subjugation and murder of mankind.  Look at their records.  Look at the vast amount of out-and-out murder committed by each, which is not just condoned, but indeed, commanded by the leaders of their faiths.  It is all Devil-worship.  It is all on the political Left.  It is power and control; subjugation and murder.</p>
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		<title>By: jadedjade</title>
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		<dc:creator>jadedjade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>please forgive my happy fingers...anautks should be ataturk of course</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>please forgive my happy fingers&#8230;anautks should be ataturk of course</p>
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		<title>By: jadedjade</title>
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		<dc:creator>jadedjade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>morton i think there will be a military coup in turkey before sharia can be mandated as the military is sworn to uphold anautks vision is it not?

and if the total subjugation of women in muslim cultures is news to anyone then they are blind, death and dumb. and please note i said mulsim culture not islam because islam does not sanction  this (so i am told) but the muslim culture most assuredly does so i conclude that muslims do not follow islam…islam is a religion with no followers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>morton i think there will be a military coup in turkey before sharia can be mandated as the military is sworn to uphold anautks vision is it not?</p>
<p>and if the total subjugation of women in muslim cultures is news to anyone then they are blind, death and dumb. and please note i said mulsim culture not islam because islam does not sanction  this (so i am told) but the muslim culture most assuredly does so i conclude that muslims do not follow islam…islam is a religion with no followers</p>
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		<title>By: Morton Doodslag</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morton Doodslag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>26. Ash :

&quot;I [...] gave Turkey as an example of a predominantly Muslim country where women are treated equally without segregation.&quot;

Ever hear of Ataturk?  Ever hear of &quot;Kemalism&quot;?  Google the terms, and educate yourself.  The extent to which Turkey is somewhat better regarding tolerance or the treatment of women etc. is the extent to which Turkey is a secular nation and ignores the dictates of Islam and Sharia.  You can&#039;t have it both ways suggesting that Turkey is somehow a paragon as an Islamic nation and then ignore the foundational secularism of Ataturk which allows that tolerance to exist.  Also, the steady erosion of Ataturk&#039;s secularism probably guarantees that Sharia will eventually make a comeback in Turkey.  Your example is completely WEAK.  

It&#039;s all about Islam. The cesspool conditions, barbarity, and corruption of most Islamic nations --  the fact that the Arab Block with nearly  half a billion Arabs and unlimited oil wealth still produces less GDP than Spain, and relatively poor EU nation with less than 1/10th the population.  Please get a clue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>26. Ash :</p>
<p>&#8220;I [...] gave Turkey as an example of a predominantly Muslim country where women are treated equally without segregation.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ever hear of Ataturk?  Ever hear of &#8220;Kemalism&#8221;?  Google the terms, and educate yourself.  The extent to which Turkey is somewhat better regarding tolerance or the treatment of women etc. is the extent to which Turkey is a secular nation and ignores the dictates of Islam and Sharia.  You can&#8217;t have it both ways suggesting that Turkey is somehow a paragon as an Islamic nation and then ignore the foundational secularism of Ataturk which allows that tolerance to exist.  Also, the steady erosion of Ataturk&#8217;s secularism probably guarantees that Sharia will eventually make a comeback in Turkey.  Your example is completely WEAK.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s all about Islam. The cesspool conditions, barbarity, and corruption of most Islamic nations &#8212;  the fact that the Arab Block with nearly  half a billion Arabs and unlimited oil wealth still produces less GDP than Spain, and relatively poor EU nation with less than 1/10th the population.  Please get a clue.</p>
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		<title>By: MiamaMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>MiamaMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Logos: On the racial comment, I was kidding, but do discount race yet, not yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Logos: On the racial comment, I was kidding, but do discount race yet, not yet.</p>
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		<title>By: pelaut</title>
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		<dc:creator>pelaut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 12:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All correct and good, Phyllis. But you overestimate American women and, like them, underestimate their danger. 

I don&#039;t think I met you in the 50&#039;s and early 60s when I was a liberal follower of Ayn Rand. But back then &quot;liberal&quot; was in the Victorian sense: individualist and classicist with a libertine tinge. 

But had I met you, I would have known you and hated you. You would have told me all the Proustian and Sartrean gobbledegook about your Afghan lover, and I would have told you straight out about Islam and him. Having studied the one, I knew the other. You would have called me racist, reactionary and (gasp!) Republican, none of which I&#039;ve ever been. Today&#039;s Liberals still do. But they&#039;re &quot;liberal&quot; in the current sense:  narcissistic true believers of the demogogues of altruism and relativism. 

Now I&#039;m an old man, gone long ago to Libertarianism, now finally to an I-don&#039;t-give-a-damn but don&#039;t-throw-bombs anarchist, and watching you misunderstand it all still. They&#039;ve followed you home, Phyllis. They&#039;re coming for you, &quot;you&quot; as in all Americans, to our own country. 

And they&#039;ll get you, because you still think it&#039;s about you and it isn&#039;t. It&#039;s about them, that we haven&#039;t and won&#039;t kill them first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All correct and good, Phyllis. But you overestimate American women and, like them, underestimate their danger. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I met you in the 50&#8242;s and early 60s when I was a liberal follower of Ayn Rand. But back then &#8220;liberal&#8221; was in the Victorian sense: individualist and classicist with a libertine tinge. </p>
<p>But had I met you, I would have known you and hated you. You would have told me all the Proustian and Sartrean gobbledegook about your Afghan lover, and I would have told you straight out about Islam and him. Having studied the one, I knew the other. You would have called me racist, reactionary and (gasp!) Republican, none of which I&#8217;ve ever been. Today&#8217;s Liberals still do. But they&#8217;re &#8220;liberal&#8221; in the current sense:  narcissistic true believers of the demogogues of altruism and relativism. </p>
<p>Now I&#8217;m an old man, gone long ago to Libertarianism, now finally to an I-don&#8217;t-give-a-damn but don&#8217;t-throw-bombs anarchist, and watching you misunderstand it all still. They&#8217;ve followed you home, Phyllis. They&#8217;re coming for you, &#8220;you&#8221; as in all Americans, to our own country. </p>
<p>And they&#8217;ll get you, because you still think it&#8217;s about you and it isn&#8217;t. It&#8217;s about them, that we haven&#8217;t and won&#8217;t kill them first.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 12:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I was expected not to believe my own eyes.&lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s the shame/honour culture, and how very wrong that so many Western feminists back it up.

Interesting that your ex husband was so apparently Westernised when in the West. You hear about this time and time again, Muslim men who treat women like princesses until they&#039;re married and back in their country of origin - then they treat them like slaves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I was expected not to believe my own eyes.</i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s the shame/honour culture, and how very wrong that so many Western feminists back it up.</p>
<p>Interesting that your ex husband was so apparently Westernised when in the West. You hear about this time and time again, Muslim men who treat women like princesses until they&#8217;re married and back in their country of origin &#8211; then they treat them like slaves.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jordan &quot;The thing is, you can’t 100% blame Islam for this. What you have is the gross mis-treatment of women by primitive tribesmen who happen to be Muslim. It’s not the faith that requires this mis-treatment.&quot;

Islam, despite the claims of some (including yourself) is not the literal word of the Quran.

Islam is the accumulated beliefs and actions of those who profess to be Muslims.

If the Quran says &quot;Be kind and gentle to kittens&quot;, and Muslims show a greater propensity than others to torture kittens, then Islam is cruel to kittens. 

All this &quot;religion of peace&quot; and &quot;Mohammad was a great advocate of women&quot; talk is a smokescreen to distract from the simple fact that the practice of Islam here on planet earth benefits neither women nor the prospects for peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jordan &#8220;The thing is, you can’t 100% blame Islam for this. What you have is the gross mis-treatment of women by primitive tribesmen who happen to be Muslim. It’s not the faith that requires this mis-treatment.&#8221;</p>
<p>Islam, despite the claims of some (including yourself) is not the literal word of the Quran.</p>
<p>Islam is the accumulated beliefs and actions of those who profess to be Muslims.</p>
<p>If the Quran says &#8220;Be kind and gentle to kittens&#8221;, and Muslims show a greater propensity than others to torture kittens, then Islam is cruel to kittens. </p>
<p>All this &#8220;religion of peace&#8221; and &#8220;Mohammad was a great advocate of women&#8221; talk is a smokescreen to distract from the simple fact that the practice of Islam here on planet earth benefits neither women nor the prospects for peace.</p>
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